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Old 25-12-2015, 20:45
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The only thing I can think of why I don't think it will be sexual abuse is because of ED tackling that storyline (Alicia/Lachlan) recently (didn't think they resolved that very well, if not at all & Lachlan got away with it). Although I suppose KO does have a tendency to repeat herself (affairs, affairs, affairs, guns, guns, guns), so it could very well be done again. If it is that, then I hope we get it resolved properly this time around.
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Old 25-12-2015, 20:48
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If the secret is about abuse, then we have seen it on ED before with a woman; Andy hitting Jo if I seem to remember rightly? And as has been mentioned, we've seen it on other soaps (I.e. Little Mo & Trevor on EE).

Has there ever been a male abuse storyline before in soap? Definitely hasn't been on ED. Anywhere else? That could be what Kate Oates means as regards to "never been done before" I suppose.
different kind of abuse (if rumours are correct)
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Old 25-12-2015, 20:49
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Yes, there was the Jo/Andy storyline.

Yes, there has been male abuse storyline in soaps.. Brendan from Hollyoaks.. Aden from Home and away and Tyrone from Corrie,
Oh yes, of course Brendan. Forgot about him. Didn't his dad used to call him "Brenda" & we know Brendan was violent towards Ste at the very early stages of their relationship.

We know Aaron was very angry & violent as well before he came out. So if, as we're expecting, it's male abuse, I wonder how this will be tackled differently?
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Old 25-12-2015, 20:54
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Ashley also physically abuse Sandy in a story as well but i think the rumours are a different type of abuse and i don't know if that has been done before. To be fair. maybe that's not even the aspect that is "'new" and it's something else in the story or way they are doing it?
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Old 25-12-2015, 20:57
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Yes, there was the Jo/Andy storyline.

Yes, there has been male abuse storyline in soaps.. Brendan from Hollyoaks.. Aden from Home and away and Tyrone from Corrie,
Oh yes, of course Brendan. Forgot about him. Didn't his dad used to call him "Brenda" & we know Brendan was violent towards Ste at the very early stages of their relationship.

We know Aaron was very angry & violent as well before he came out. So if, as we're expecting, it's male abuse, I wonder how this will be tackled differently?

Yes, Brendans dad did call him Brenda. He was evil.. hated him so much.
The way he was with Brendan.
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Old 25-12-2015, 21:30
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Am I the only one here who thought tonight's episode was quite good...apart from the lack of Robron ofc!

Eric's realisation and epiphany like Scrooge (finally), touching Ashley and Eric graveyard scene, lovely Cheryl the dog finally finding Val's ring, Belle's affair revelation and the shock, Doug's concern and worry over Ashley and laurel, Aaron going to Paddy showing his increasing isolation but finding no help from a distracted Paddy and of course the charades scene.

But yeah, Gordon is hiding an alterior motive and even my mum went "ugh creep" to that car scene.
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Old 25-12-2015, 21:39
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Am I the only one here who thought tonight's episode was quite good...apart from the lack of Robron ofc!

Eric's realisation and epiphany like Scrooge (finally), touching Ashley and Eric graveyard scene, lovely Cheryl the dog finally finding Val's ring, Belle's affair revelation and the shock, Doug's concern and worry over Ashley and laurel, Aaron going to Paddy showing his increasing isolation but finding no help from a distracted Paddy and of course the charades scene.

But yeah, Gordon is hiding an alterior motive and even my mum went "ugh creep" to that car scene.
I loved tonight's ep. Rumour has it that Ryan had some time off to relocate up north so would explain his prolonged absence.
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Old 25-12-2015, 22:00
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I really liked the episode apart from the Zak/Joanie stuff.Gordon definately has an ulterior motive-it's not what it seems with him
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Old 25-12-2015, 22:02
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Eric's near half year grieving process finally at an end.

Aaron packing his bag to stay at Paddy's for the night. But not getting out the village?
To be fair,the grieving process goes on much longer than six months-it won't be at an end
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Old 25-12-2015, 23:47
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I just caught up with today's episode. A few random thoughts:

-I don't trust Gordon AT ALL. He's very suspicious and he's going to hurt our Aaron

-Belle was brilliant in today's episode. can she keep being like that forever?

-How long until Megan becomes an official Dingle? I'm pulling for her and Sam

EDIT: Oh and before I forget! The older folks of the Emmerdale cast did wonders today. Eric, Ashley and Lisa stole every scene they were in. I'm happy for Eric and his small christmas miracle
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Old 26-12-2015, 00:58
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Yeah Lisa,Ashley and Eric were all good tonight.It was a totally different episode to last year.That was Andy and Katie's wedding day and then that lovely scene with Robron outside the pub and the kiss.I did expect to see Andy and a mention of his wedding etc but I didn't mind that they focused on other characters.I just don't like the Zak affair storyline and I really don't buy it-just doesn't seem right.Glad for Eric though.And Gordon is definately up to something
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Old 26-12-2015, 01:34
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It was a good episode i agree.

Gordon looked like a stalker and a predator
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Old 26-12-2015, 01:37
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I'm worried that this storyline won't only just mention the past... but show that Gordon is still capable of whatever it was he did.
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Old 26-12-2015, 01:39
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It was a good episode i agree.

Gordon looked like a stalker and a predator
Yeah he did-I hope he isn't stalking Chas
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Old 26-12-2015, 01:55
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I'm worried that this storyline won't only just mention the past... but show that Gordon is still capable of whatever it was he did.
Yep he was looking tonight like he was waiting for his next victim to show up. I don't know it gave me chills and not in a good way.
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Old 26-12-2015, 02:00
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Finally got around to watching after a very busy day.

The episode itself wasn't too bad but I feel too many odd character changes have been made. Zak just seems to be someone else now. Paddy is acting like normal regular dependable Paddy one minute and horny teenager the next. Eric's sudden epiphany was just random and didn't really make much sense to me but im glad we wont have to listen to that bloody DVD of Val singing again or watch more of Eric acting like a curmudgeon.

Finn was with Vic and Adam etc at Vanessa's but not his family? His first Christmas with his mum she mentioned wanting to be special only a few episodes ago didn't go ahead then?

Robert and Andy noticeably absent with not a hint of why or where they were. Jai was missing from the Sharma's too I noticed and I thought he's made progress with them so it's odd to see them exclude him.

Where the hell were the kids? April and Arthur were not at Eric's despite all their parents being there. They could've been with Sandy but he's hardly capable of looking after 2 young children....

Gordon being creepy with Chas his intended 'victim' or Aaron?
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Old 26-12-2015, 02:07
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I know Eric has been a nightmare but I have felt sorry for him amongst my being a little fed up with him.Grief changes you and can turn you in to a different person-i know it did that to me and as yet I am still not the person I was,don't think I will ever be.But at least he will be past the worst or past the stage where he is just permanently angry-having been there,it is no picnic.Gordon seems to be stalking either Chas or Aaron.For some reason I feel he had a grudge with Chas or some score he wants to settle
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Old 26-12-2015, 04:56
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After watching the last three episodes
I have come to conclusion is that I don't trust Gordan at all there is something about him but I can't put my finger on yet until jan
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Old 26-12-2015, 08:20
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I don't know if I've said it before, but even if I have, I'll say it again. It just worries/scares me that everyone is being taken in by Gordon. Everyone is saying for Aaron to give him a chance, and Aaron is soon going to be ostracised from people. The thing is with the Robert stuff, you'd think that Robert might be the one person who is there for him but what if that goes wrong too? What if Gordon is just that good and everyone, literally, everyone apart from Aaron is taken in by him?

And the fact this is happening just makes me think that it's all going to come down to history repeating itself or nearly doing so. It's just such a common TV trope. Aaron will be isolated from everyone (as usual), and then something will happen between him/Gordon which will make everyone see who Gordon really is.

I mean, I'm not even sure the beach stuff will be as good as we hope. Maybe Chas or Aaron want to fix their relationship so they go to the beach together and it works at first, but then Gordon turns up and it's ruined again?

Dunno, just have a very unsettling feeling.
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Old 26-12-2015, 08:22
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I don't know if I've said it before, but even if I have, I'll say it again. It just worries/scares me that everyone is being taken in by Gordon. Everyone is saying for Aaron to give him a chance, and Aaron is soon going to be ostracised from people. The thing is with the Robert stuff, you'd think that Robert might be the one person who is there for him but what if that goes wrong too? What if Gordon is just that good and everyone, literally, everyone apart from Aaron is taken in by him?

And the fact this is happening just makes me think that it's all going to come down to history repeating itself or nearly doing so. It's just such a common TV trope. Aaron will be isolated from everyone (as usual), and then something will happen between him/Gordon which will make everyone see who Gordon really is.

I mean, I'm not even sure the beach stuff will be as good as we hope. Maybe Chas or Aaron want to fix their relationship so they go to the beach together and it works at first, but then Gordon turns up and it's ruined again?

Dunno, just have a very unsettling feeling
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Old 26-12-2015, 09:08
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Old 26-12-2015, 10:06
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So at the moment, thinking about it, I think the casual viewer wouldn't think that whatever the secret is cannot be too bad as we've had Aaron/Gordon chatting on their own (although it was in the village where anyone could walk past so Gordon couldn't exactly say or if this secret is bad, which we think it could well be, do anything). We've also had Aaron going to stay at Paddy's for the night; but if this secret were so bad, wouldn't Aaron try & get away permanently to prove a point that something is deeply wrong with Gordon? (Mind you, Chas probably thought him storming off for the warehouse robbery was just him not thinking when he's angry & getting involved in something stupid).

In terms of this beach scene coming up, some are saying Gordon will show up when Aaron/Chas are seemingly having a fairly good time, although I think many people saw them filming, and at least one would have said something if Gary was also filming with Danny & Lucy. (I'm still not sure who the ashes, if they are ashes, could be).

"Fine line between love & hate." I think it could be rather ironic that Aaron & Robert's hatred for their fathers will more than likely bring them closer together again.

Btw, that same week we're expecting the Aaron/Chas beach scene (week beginning 1st February), or the week after, is when Robert & Chrissie can finally get divorced & he can take that bloody ring off! Although I'm not really expecting anything in all honesty. I think that "I'm so sorry" line in court was closure to Chobert.

Finally, I think someone mentioned it last night, but I think we haven't seen too much of Robert recently because hasn't Ryan relocated back north from London? I know a few weeks ago he was at a football match (Sheffield United?) & that was on the weekend. And to be fair, Ryan deserves that break, considering he has been at the forefront of the show in 2015. Mind you, he hasn't really been on screen that much is the 2nd half of the year, bar the shooting scenes. Think he had his summer holiday before that, wouldn't have had to do too much lying in a hospital bed & then not much since. I just want him back on screen now!
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Old 26-12-2015, 10:35
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I would say at the moment, the most likely thing the secret is, is that Gordon physically (I don't think it will be sexually) beat Aaron up & used homophobic slurs towards him, even though Aaron hadn't come out at that stage, even though he probably knew already. So Aaron got this "hard man", "real man" image to try & prove to his dad he was just like him, but we know that him getting into drugs when Aaron came back in 2008 & hitting Sandra was him trying to get away from Gordon?

Aaron did say why couldn't he go back to stay with Gordon, but then when that was no longer a choice, he'd rather live on the streets than go back with Chas, because he didn't want anyone to know about his sexuality & thought that if they did, then they would have a similar reaction & beat him up for being different? Remember when he came out to Paddy, he was so desperate for no-one else to find out, and then when they did, he tried suicide. In a way, and I think this is described somewhere else, Aaron was a "homophobic homosexual." Tried to suppress being gay by being violent (he punched Paddy as soon as he found out & Jackson) & using slurs himself "perverts."

One scene has really come into my mind & that is:

Remember when Jackson's dad showed up & he wanted to try & make amends with him following the accident? Aaron had a real go at him because Jackson used to get beat up by his dad just because of who he was? That really sounds like Aaron was talking from personal experience now doesn't it?
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Old 26-12-2015, 11:23
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Physical abuse has been done many times before though in various forms. Nothing seems very new or different about it. As you mentioned as well Robronic, the father/son abuse thing over sexuality has even already been covered with the Jackson/Jerry story.

I think....it's sexual abuse honestly but the thing is that the writing just isn't very good at the moment as i don't see it in the writing to be honest. If i didn't think....otherwise i would be sure it's not quite that serious. Maybe they are doing it on purpose so as it's a big moment when Aaron reveals it.
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Old 26-12-2015, 11:32
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Though things do start getting worse. I think at the moment Aaron hasn't gone full on meltdown mode as Gordon hasn't embedded himself into his and his mums lives fully yet, Aaron probably thinks it's an annoying thing he has to deal with and try and just get rid of him or avoid him whilst he's about. Soon though obviously Chas gets back together with him so literally his dad is back being his dad and they are a 'family' and Gordon is sticking around. That's when we will see Aaron fall off the rails completely, and maybe decide he needs to go a bit further afield than just paddys and get into some serious bother with his self harming...
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