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Emmerdale: Aaron Livesy and Robert Sugden Appreciation Thread (Part 5)
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amy_ryan1
13-02-2016
Originally Posted by Captainswan:
“Yeah, we have a Ryan interview coming out next week.. 23rd Feb.
I am assuming he will talk about the abuse storyline/ Robron.”

Ah ok. Thank you.
sderr123
13-02-2016
Originally Posted by Lmack:
“Yes I think he meant that but it could also have a double meaning.By all accounts Aaron didn't start acting up until Chas left though”

Who knows what Gordon thinks. Obviously for some reason he's convinced himself that Aaron is bad and deserves to be mistreated.
Lmack
13-02-2016
Originally Posted by sderr123:
“Who knows what Gordon thinks. Obviously for some reason he's convinced himself that Aaron is bad and deserves to be mistreated.”

Yes we just don't know
Lmack
13-02-2016
Originally Posted by Captainswan:
“Yeah, we have a Ryan interview coming out next week.. 23rd Feb.
I am assuming he will talk about the abuse storyline/ Robron.”

Looking forward to that be interested to see what his take is on it all
Lucie_Girard
13-02-2016
Originally Posted by Lmack:
“Looking forward to that be interested to see what his take is on it all”

Awwwww can't wait for Ryan's interview and hopefully he Will talk about Robron

Kirsten do you know the quotes and what Danny says in his interview?
Captainswan
13-02-2016
Originally Posted by Melephunk2010:
“bit slow on the uptake here but is the mugging definitely Aaron? I saw a spoiler saying "which long-suffering lad is mugged" which made me think it was going to be aaron, but has this been confirmed now?”

Yes, it is.
Originally Posted by Lucie_Girard:
“Awwwww can't wait for Ryan's interview and hopefully he Will talk about Robron

Kirsten do you know the quotes and what Danny says in his interview?”

No, I didn't ask for them because I normally get the magazines.
Edey
13-02-2016
Originally Posted by sderr123:
“Who knows what Gordon thinks. Obviously for some reason he's convinced himself that Aaron is bad and deserves to be mistreated.”

Hi, i think it is the other way round possibly- Gordon is trying to convice Aaron it was his fault and he is to blame therefore Gordon hasnt done anything wrong... undermining his self worth to bully him into dropping the charges

Abuser blaming the victim
sderr123
13-02-2016
Originally Posted by Edey:
“Hi, i think it is the other way round possibly- Gordon is trying to convice Aaron it was his fault and he is to blame therefore Gordon hasnt done anything wrong... undermining his self worth to bully him into dropping the charges

Abuser blaming the victim ”

Personally I think its both those things at the same time. I think Gordon knows what he's done is illegal but I don't think he sees it as wrong. That's what I mean when I say he lacks empathy. Gordon can understand the legality of the thing but not how others would see it emotionally or how it would impact his victim.
Edey
13-02-2016
Originally Posted by sderr123:
“Personally I think its both those things at the same time. I think Gordon knows what he's done is illegal but I don't think he sees it as wrong. That's what I mean when I say he lacks empathy. Gordon can understand the legality of the thing but not how others would see it emotionally or how it would impact his victim.”

yes I see your point and completely agree he lacks empathy.

I think the actor playing him is doing a great job
Lucie_Girard
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by Captainswan:
“Yes, it is.


No, I didn't ask for them because I normally get the magazines.”

Awwww good for you
Waldito
14-02-2016
Do we have any other news other than the boys remaining as friends for now?
Lmack
14-02-2016
I am interested to know why Gordon did what he did to Aaron.I want to know if he's done it to anyone else,child or adult.I also don't understand why he thought he could come back into Aaron and Chas's life.I mean is he deluded and has some kind of mental problem or is he just totally bad and evil and a control freak ? I would hope it is explored but I'm not sure it will be
margarite6666
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by Lmack:
“I am interested to know why Gordon did what he did to Aaron.I want to know if he's done it to anyone else,child or adult.I also don't understand why he thought he could come back into Aaron and Chas's life.I mean is he deluded and has some kind of mental problem or is he just totally bad and evil and a control freak ? I would hope it is explored but I'm not sure it will be”

I think they answered part of that when Cain had that conversation with Chas. She said Gordon didn't expect things to go the way it did and he wanted to make a real go of it. Hopefully they have done research with charities who understand such people. I have only heard of paedophiles who are sexually attracted to children. That is not the case here. Rape in general has been talked of as a show of power rather than sexual gratification and has been used as a terror tactic in wars etc. This would be true in Gordon's case: rape as a show of power and control. From what Aaron has described Gordon could be a loving dad for years but he had a ferocious temper. Sandra and Aarons sister must have experienced it. They should give a fuller picture of his character.
EddyBee
14-02-2016
Sorry to tell you this but the Sunday spoilers are all about Paddy and Rhona.
laoghaire
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by Lmack:
“I am interested to know why Gordon did what he did to Aaron.I want to know if he's done it to anyone else,child or adult.I also don't understand why he thought he could come back into Aaron and Chas's life.I mean is he deluded and has some kind of mental problem or is he just totally bad and evil and a control freak ? I would hope it is explored but I'm not sure it will be”

gordon really reminds me of this disgusting guy my professor gave a lecture on. a client of my professor's had been raped by the disgusting guy who was a close family friend. the man who did this had no history of violence or sexual abuse either against himself or towards his wife and children. but the girl he raped rejected his initial advances and apparently this brought back a rejection he'd experienced in his younger days. he used the rape to punish the girl in a way i feel gordon did to aaron--punishing him for everything that went wrong in gordon's life.

now i'm not saying gordon may not have experienced abuse in his own childhood, it's often an unfortunate cycle that victims of abuse become abusers themselves, but it could very well be that gordon is sociopathic and there's a lot of discourse that most sociopaths are born and not created.

it would be somewhat interesting if they did delve into gordon's character more.
Lucie_Girard
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by EddyBee:
“Sorry to tell you this but the Sunday spoilers are all about Paddy and Rhona.”

lol

Sorry if I am not too much interested.
Waldito
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by EddyBee:
“Sorry to tell you this but the Sunday spoilers are all about Paddy and Rhona.”


Lmack
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by margarite6666:
“I think they answered part of that when Cain had that conversation with Chas. She said Gordon didn't expect things to go the way it did and he wanted to make a real go of it. Hopefully they have done research with charities who understand such people. I have only heard of paedophiles who are sexually attracted to children. That is not the case here. Rape in general has been talked of as a show of power rather than sexual gratification and has been used as a terror tactic in wars etc. This would be true in Gordon's case: rape as a show of power and control. From what Aaron has described Gordon could be a loving dad for years but he had a ferocious temper. Sandra and Aarons sister must have experienced it. They should give a fuller picture of his character.”

Yes it seems he did it to control Aaron etc but it's still a very unnatural thing to do to your own son so I think there should be more explanation
Lmack
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by laoghaire:
“gordon really reminds me of this disgusting guy my professor gave a lecture on. a client of my professor's had been raped by the disgusting guy who was a close family friend. the man who did this had no history of violence or sexual abuse either against himself or towards his wife and children. but the girl he raped rejected his initial advances and apparently this brought back a rejection he'd experienced in his younger days. he used the rape to punish the girl in a way i feel gordon did to aaron--punishing him for everything that went wrong in gordon's life.

now i'm not saying gordon may not have experienced abuse in his own childhood, it's often an unfortunate cycle that victims of abuse become abusers themselves, but it could very well be that gordon is sociopathic and there's a lot of discourse that most sociopaths are born and not created.

it would be somewhat interesting if they did delve into gordon's character more.”

Yes it would be interesting to know more and know why since this is an extreme thing to do
sderr123
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by laoghaire:
“gordon really reminds me of this disgusting guy my professor gave a lecture on. a client of my professor's had been raped by the disgusting guy who was a close family friend. the man who did this had no history of violence or sexual abuse either against himself or towards his wife and children. but the girl he raped rejected his initial advances and apparently this brought back a rejection he'd experienced in his younger days. he used the rape to punish the girl in a way i feel gordon did to aaron--punishing him for everything that went wrong in gordon's life.

now i'm not saying gordon may not have experienced abuse in his own childhood, it's often an unfortunate cycle that victims of abuse become abusers themselves, but it could very well be that gordon is sociopathic and there's a lot of discourse that most sociopaths are born and not created.

it would be somewhat interesting if they did delve into gordon's character more.”

That's very interesting. I am interested in criminal justice and I was listening to an interview with a researcher who was studying biological causes of criminality. He was doing brain scan of serious felons murders and rapists. Apparently according to him he was able to see brain abnormalities in many of these people. If Gordon is a sociopath its likely he was born that way. They do say only a portion of people who sexually abuse children are true pedophiles.

Why he might have targeted his own son maybe will be something that they explain further down the road.
Andy_Marlowe
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by sderr123:
“Andy we can't assume that Gordon thinks like a normal person. He's a remorseless sociopath and I am sure he thinks its all Aaron's fault and he had to rape him. I don't think Gordon has any ability to feel empathy at all. Now that Aaron's reported him to the police I don't think he'll try to keep up the pretense that he likes Aaron. He'll do whatever nasty hurtful thing he can to keep himself out of trouble.”

Yes. I am quite sure he will use the fact that Aaron is gay against him for all it's worth, which might be why Aaron tells Robert they can only be friends. In any case I suspect that we might have Aaron fighting his sexuality again
laoghaire
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by sderr123:
“That's very interesting. I am interested in criminal justice and I was listening to an interview with a researcher who was studying biological causes of criminality. He was doing brain scan of serious felons murders and rapists. Apparently according to him he was able to see brain abnormalities in many of these people. If Gordon is a sociopath its likely he was born that way. They do say only a portion of people who sexually abuse children are true pedophiles.

Why he might have targeted his own son maybe will be something that they explain further down the road.”

i was studying criminal behavior (i've since left the course) but we did get to look at the brain scans of a few criminals and there is a difference between a "normal" brain and a criminal. it's really kind of surreal in a way to see how even just a small difference to the brain (mostly in the amygdala, which has been shown to be smaller in sociopathic brains) can shape a person into a monster.

i'm kind of the mind that gordon was indeed born the way he is. in my opinion (and until the show says otherwise), he doesn't seem like a "career" pedophile, but someone who is narcissistic, controlling, and has no regard for human life on the inside.
evomad1
14-02-2016
I don't think Aaron will fight being gay, but I do think he will struggle for a while with intimacy and having Sex.
amy_ryan1
14-02-2016
I need Thursday to be here. Then we get Robert
I thought I'd be pleased with the break of Aaron/Robert on screen, but it's too addictive

Maybe when Robron do reunite they take things slow with the intimacy or maybe Aaron's just ready & has no problem with it. Atm I'm just looking forward to the slow build up & them been friends.
Andy_Marlowe
14-02-2016
Originally Posted by evomad1:
“I don't think Aaron will fight being gay, but I do think he will struggle for a while with intimacy and having Sex.”

I think you have put it better than me!
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