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Old 09-12-2015, 13:34
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I think we will learn more about how Chas was not great mother material at the time and why she left Aaron with Gordon. Aaron's time with Gordon is the main thrust of the storyline and I do think we will have an appearance from Sandra at some stage in the New Year as Gordon is not telling the whole truth to Chas.
Yeah all that will need to be explored I think.Gordon definately not telling the while truth-they said all is not as it seems so some secrets/lies will be uncovered
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Old 09-12-2015, 13:36
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That's what I thought. It doesn't sound like Gordon has custody of her though.
No he doesn't so not sure what's going on
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Old 09-12-2015, 19:15
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Nothing beats a Jai filled episode.
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Old 09-12-2015, 19:24
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Is Emmerdale on on Xmas day? There are pics of Aaron, Chas and Gordon are at The Dingles but i can't seem to find where that fits in the spoilers?
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Old 09-12-2015, 19:28
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Is Emmerdale on on Xmas day? There are pics of Aaron, Chas and Gordon are at The Dingles but i can't seem to find where that fits in the spoilers?
They are at the Dingles house for Christmas dinner. Chas has invited Gordon.
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Old 09-12-2015, 19:30
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Yes ED is on on Christmas go back a page or 2 Andy and see my link to the DS spoilers for that day.

Terrible episode honestly abysmal. Worst of the year IMO.

Not even Robron in a barn, hotel, cabin or car could have saved that mess.
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Old 09-12-2015, 19:47
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Yes ED is on on Christmas go back a page or 2 Andy and see my link to the DS spoilers for that day.

Terrible episode honestly abysmal. Worst of the year IMO.

Not even Robron in a barn, hotel, cabin or car could have saved that mess.
I might have to disagree with that...

Do we not get Robert on Christmas Day? He's not in the spoilers
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Old 09-12-2015, 20:00
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The no robron depression is definitely kicking in for me I miss them.

Haven't really seen any spoilers for next week please tell me we have them both in next week's ep??
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Old 09-12-2015, 20:02
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Does Aaron have to be angry with Gordon for a specific thing like abuse? He has a good enough reason just from Gordon cutting him out of his life never to be heard from again even though he has been through so many things like nearly dying or going to prison. Surely that would be enough to make Aaron hate him. We all know he has issues with feeling abandoned. I kind of don't feel right about them implying that happened previously when nothing in the old episodes indicated that at all.
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Old 09-12-2015, 20:13
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I might have to disagree with that...

Do we not get Robert on Christmas Day? He's not in the spoilers
Maybe in the odd scene but nothing major. It's Dingle heavy with the other families spread out through the fortnight.

The no robron depression is definitely kicking in for me I miss them.

Haven't really seen any spoilers for next week please tell me we have them both in next week's ep??
Both are in next weeks. Robert is in Friday, not sure about Aaron but he's in the cast list so if I had a guess it's the same day as Robert . Most likely Robert telling him he's thinking of buying out Diane.

Does Aaron have to be angry with Gordon for a specific thing like abuse? He has a good enough reason just from Gordon cutting him out of his life never to be heard from again even though he has been through so many things like nearly dying or going to prison. Surely that would be enough to make Aaron hate him. We all know he has issues with feeling abandoned. I kind of don't feel right about them implying that happened previously when nothing in the old episodes indicated that at all.
Possibly but Gary Mavers hinted in an interview things might have gone on.
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Old 09-12-2015, 20:40
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Maybe in the odd scene but nothing major. It's Dingle heavy with the other families spread out through the fortnight.



Both are in next weeks. Robert is in Friday, not sure about Aaron but he's in the cast list so if I had a guess it's the same day as Robert . Most likely Robert telling him he's thinking of buying out Diane.



Possibly but Gary Mavers hinted in an interview things might have gone on.
Yeah I shouldn't be surprised as it is a soap....and they like to make Aaron suffer. hopefully its not done too badly. And that we get Robert to support Aaron through it even just a little bit.

Part of me is actually gutted Im going on summer holidays at Christmas because I wont be able to keep up with the upcoming Robron Scenes!
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Old 09-12-2015, 20:52
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Does Aaron have to be angry with Gordon for a specific thing like abuse? He has a good enough reason just from Gordon cutting him out of his life never to be heard from again even though he has been through so many things like nearly dying or going to prison. Surely that would be enough to make Aaron hate him. We all know he has issues with feeling abandoned. I kind of don't feel right about them implying that happened previously when nothing in the old episodes indicated that at all.
I feel the same way and I actually dread the idea that something worse like abuse is necessary to justify the bad blood between them.

Children often blame their parents for the shortcomings in their lives, and absent parents double so. This may not be rational or fair, but it's deeply human.

I'd much prefer seeing Aaron come to terms with the idea that his dad is neither a saint nor the devil, but just a man who tried his best and failed in the end.
Aaron managed that with his mom, after all.

Also, it would feel like a retcon of Aaron's childhood. He only ever mentioned feeling neglected/ abandoned by his dad, because of the new baby. If Gordon or Sandra suddenly turn out to have been abusive, I'd find that very hard to accept.
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Old 09-12-2015, 21:22
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I feel the same way and I actually dread the idea that something worse like abuse is necessary to justify the bad blood between them.

Children often blame their parents for the shortcomings in their lives, and absent parents double so. This may not be rational or fair, but it's deeply human.

I'd much prefer seeing Aaron come to terms with the idea that his dad is neither a saint nor the devil, but just a man who tried his best and failed in the end.
Aaron managed that with his mom, after all.

Also, it would feel like a retcon of Aaron's childhood. He only ever mentioned feeling neglected/ abandoned by his dad, because of the new baby. If Gordon or Sandra suddenly turn out to have been abusive, I'd find that very hard to accept.
I think part of the problem is that Aarons Storyline is so available and popular online that the past is still quite recent for many of us who either only watched it recently or rewatched it again...and again so it would be harder for us to accept any changes to the story because it will be so obvious. Lets just hope that the things that have been implied have been exaggerated a bit and do fit in the storyline properly.
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Old 09-12-2015, 21:47
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I think part of the problem is that Aarons Storyline is so available and popular online that the past is still quite recent for many of us who either only watched it recently or rewatched it again...and again so it would be harder for us to accept any changes to the story because it will be so obvious. Lets just hope that the things that have been implied have been exaggerated a bit and do fit in the storyline properly.
For me I agree, I would struggle if it was Gordon who was abusive, beyond a temper and the odd lashing out. Aaron may not have said anything for many reasons if this was what happened, he was young and maybe would be afraid of losing his dad after already feeling like he had lost his mum. It's sad but this does happen.

Sandra, on the other hand is a complete blank page. If something happened there I could accept it being a lot more extreme. Aaron was young at the time and could have blocked out any trauma as a coping mechanism, plus again fear of losing his dad who at the time was his only close family connection.

I agree though with general opinion it won't go extreme dark.

I did quite like the suggestion earlier that Sandra had lashed out a few times at Aaron and maybe this is what caused him to hit out once, then Gordon didn't believe him when he said something. This is also the kind of thing Gordon wouldn't tell Chas or want to believe happened. Aaron wasn't an easy teenager so it's realistic that Gordon wouldn't necessarily believe Aaron over Sandra. I could go with this storyline, it is relatively dark, but not too extreme.

Edit: really dark would be sexual abuse of Aaron or Aaron was product of Sexual abuse. I just don't get the vibe this is the direction the story will take
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Old 09-12-2015, 21:48
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I feel the same way and I actually dread the idea that something worse like abuse is necessary to justify the bad blood between them.

Children often blame their parents for the shortcomings in their lives, and absent parents double so. This may not be rational or fair, but it's deeply human.

I'd much prefer seeing Aaron come to terms with the idea that his dad is neither a saint nor the devil, but just a man who tried his best and failed in the end.
Aaron managed that with his mom, after all.

Also, it would feel like a retcon of Aaron's childhood. He only ever mentioned feeling neglected/ abandoned by his dad, because of the new baby. If Gordon or Sandra suddenly turn out to have been abusive, I'd find that very hard to accept.
That doesn't sound very 'dark'
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Old 09-12-2015, 22:24
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I think part of the problem is that Aarons Storyline is so available and popular online that the past is still quite recent for many of us who either only watched it recently or rewatched it again...and again so it would be harder for us to accept any changes to the story because it will be so obvious. Lets just hope that the things that have been implied have been exaggerated a bit and do fit in the storyline properly.
There doesnt have to be any changes though. We know that Gordon has claimed that Aaron hit his wife and on the few occasions we saw Gordon and Aaron in the past they seemed very happy but we did not see enough of Gordon to make any real firm impression of him at all. The fact that Aaron has never spoken about him since or the fact that Gordon has never tried to get in touch is a gift to writers as they can write anything about their past. Aaron has a low sense of self-worth and I think the writers are going to attempt to try and explain what made him the way he was initially when he first came back to live with Chas. We have not got a clue what Gordon was like behind closed doors as his character was never in enough episodes or written about in any great depth.
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Old 09-12-2015, 22:30
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I don't know what the story will be but it is quite extreme that Aaron hates his dad with a passion-that would suggest something pretty bad but who knows
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Old 09-12-2015, 22:32
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There doesnt have to be any changes though. We know that Gordon has claimed that Aaron hit his wife and on the few occasions we saw Gordon and Aaron in the past they seemed very happy but we did not see enough of Gordon to make any real firm impression of him at all. The fact that Aaron has never spoken about him since or the fact that Gordon has never tried to get in touch is a gift to writers as they can write anything about their past. Aaron has a low sense of self-worth and I think the writers are going to attempt to try and explain what made him the way he was initially when he first came back to live with Chas. We have not got a clue what Gordon was like behind closed doors as his character was never in enough episodes or written about in any great depth.
I agree with this
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Old 10-12-2015, 00:46
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I agree with this
He could have been emotionally abusive. That would actually fit well with both Aaron and Chas. Chas left thinking she wasn't good enough mother to Aaron and Aaron was an absolute mess as a teenager with his self esteem issues (and more). I think that would be better than being physically abusive. It would also fit well with what has already been said/not said by the characters.
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Old 10-12-2015, 01:20
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He could have been emotionally abusive. That would actually fit well with both Aaron and Chas. Chas left thinking she wasn't good enough mother to Aaron and Aaron was an absolute mess as a teenager with his self esteem issues (and more). I think that would be better than being physically abusive. It would also fit well with what has already been said/not said by the characters.
Yes he could have been and I would prefer that as well.It could also explain why things didn't work out with his second wife.Although I do wonder why Chas would get back with him.Unless,because she is very vulnerable just now she sees the good in him and maybe thinks he has changed
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Old 10-12-2015, 01:32
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Yes he could have been and I would prefer that as well.It could also explain why things didn't work out with his second wife.Although I do wonder why Chas would get back with him.Unless,because she is very vulnerable just now she sees the good in him and maybe thinks he has changed
True! And he probably would have made her think he was too good for her originally as well.
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Old 10-12-2015, 10:14
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The more i think about, the less I want Robert and Aaron back together until this stuff with Gordon is sorted out. Aaron isn't in the right headspace for a relationship. I'll trade for a ONS, lots of Robron style looks across the pub and a supportive Robert Not much to ask for really.
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Old 10-12-2015, 10:19
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The more i think about, the less I want Robert and Aaron back together until this stuff with Gordon is sorted out. Aaron isn't in the right headspace for a relationship. I'll trade for a ONS, lots of Robron style looks across the pub and a supportive Robert Not much to ask for really.
Is he ever though?
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Old 10-12-2015, 10:31
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Is he ever though?
Maybe you're right I should have said in a worse than usual headspace.
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Old 10-12-2015, 10:44
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I dunno. I mean look at what he wil be going through. He'll have his dad back who he hates and abandoned him, he will probably be furious at his mum for getting involved with him again and feel betrayed by her, we don't know how the Paddy thing will go but it's possible he will either be too distracted by that to really be there for Aaron or they could fall out over it, Adam has the whole baby thing going on....maybe Aaron will actually want someone and some stability from someone....someone like Robert?

But to be fair this is a scenario we have speculated about several times during this story and it ever really happened so probs won't again.
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