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Old 22-11-2015, 21:09
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Bring back Jeremy Vine. He should have been saved last week and this week. It was a travesty and I am writing to my MP as we speak.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:10
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Very interesting to observe the judges. Craig emphatic and cutting. Bruno who likes to wax was curt. Darcey looked decidedly uncomfortable and had her head in her hands after Len spoke.

To all those who consider Craig to have the most integrity as a judge ... he has none. Sells himself as readily now as he did when young. Not had any respect for Darcey since Pixie Lott last year.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:11
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The celeb exit interviews were so telling this week .. practically all of them saying she danced amazingly .. subtext: Andre should have gone!!
Must make them wonder what is going on. To change the positioning like that (Craig and Darcey) when he danced worse .. if anything!
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:12
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To all those who consider Craig to have the most integrity as a judge ... he has none. Sells himself as readily now as he did when young. Not had any respect for Darcey since Pixie Lott last year.
We need to get rid of Craig and Darcey immediately and bring in Donny and that lady in the other show who seems to know what she is talking about.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:14
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We need to get rid of Craig and Darcey immediately and bring in Donny and that lady in the other show who seems to know what she is talking about.
Forget Donny. Just let the wig do the talking. It's cheaper too.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:14
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Not in the dance off he wasn't! Why don't people get that? Or is the dance off about how well you have done in the previous weeks? In which case why the hell bother with it?

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Forget it, Jake. It's Peter's fans-town.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:15
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Not in the dance off he wasn't! Why don't people get that? Or is the dance off about how well you have done in the previous weeks? In which case why the hell bother with it?

Give me strength.
Of course he gets it . Dont rise to the bait
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:15
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Very interesting to observe the judges. Craig emphatic and cutting. Bruno who likes to wax was curt. Darcey looked decidedly uncomfortable and had her head in her hands after Len spoke.

To all those who consider Craig to have the most integrity as a judge ... he has none. Sells himself as readily now as he did when young. Not had any respect for Darcey since Pixie Lott last year.
I actually thought SImon deserved to win the DO against Pixie last year. Pixie didn't nail the cha cha leg action and that was what did her in. But I think then, Craig and Bruno chose Pixie because of overall dance ability or something along those lines.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:18
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'fraid so.
Janette constructed a Jive where I don't remember him lifting his knees. Was she protecting him re a groin or thigh strain?
I thought it was amazing that after they'd done their routine on Saturday that none of the judges had asked where were the flicks and kicks? I mean that was no jive, yet none of the judges make the point. If it had been anyone else they would have been marked it down, yet they didn't with Pete and Jeanette. So maybe the writing was on the wall then.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:21
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For much of the dance, to use an American football term, Janette was "running interference for Peter."
By that I mean she got between him and the perception by some of his performance, by being "full on" and at times dancing double time steps to his.
By comparison it was as if he were dancing in his slippers.
It's easy to be swayed by the volume of the music and the reactions of the audience. turn off the sound and watch both dances again, his was hardly inspiring.

On the night Jamelia in my opinion, was better.
But the "more popular" dancer, (at least with the judges and probably the BBC?) won.
The judges thought he was the worst in the main dance and the public must have thought so too as few must have voted for him, so "shock horror," he ended up in the bottom two.


So they changed their minds, in reality, within a few minutes,
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:21
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i think the manipulation is fairly imaginary. peter danced better than jamelia. i don't rate him overall, and the routine was pretty poor, but he's basically a better dancer than she is and it showed tonight.
PA better than Jamelia tonight? You are having a laugh, we didn't even get a jive.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:22
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I actually thought SImon deserved to win the DO against Pixie last year. Pixie didn't nail the cha cha leg action and that was what did her in. But I think then, Craig and Bruno chose Pixie because of overall dance ability or something along those lines.
Funny, that's not a problem with other dancers, some less accomplished. Nothing against Simon, who was a pretty good dancer, but it was another rigged moment and Darcey was uncomfortable then as yesterday night.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:30
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Funny, that's not a problem with other dancers, some less accomplished. Nothing against Simon, who was a pretty good dancer, but it was another rigged moment and Darcey was uncomfortable then as yesterday night.
If we're going by Darcy's "showed more improvement" theory then actually of the two last year Simon DID show more improvement as his dance off was flawless in comparison to messing up his initial routine whereas Pixie still had the illegal lifts. Though had that one gone to a public vote I reckon we'd have had the same result as she was 2nd on the leaderboard.

This was definitely robbery though, Jamelia was much better on both occasions this weekend.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:34
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Why do people keep saying it's our faults for not voting? It isn't.

Was she the best of the night? IMO, no. So why the hell would I vote for her?
Was she best in the DO? No question about it - YES. She should've been kept.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:35
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If we're going by Darcy's "showed more improvement" theory then actually of the two last year Simon DID show more improvement as his dance off was flawless in comparison to messing up his initial routine whereas Pixie still had the illegal lifts. Though had that one gone to a public vote I reckon we'd have had the same result as she was 2nd on the leaderboard.

This was definitely robbery though, Jamelia was much better on both occasions this weekend.
Well, I doubt Trent would have been allowed to change the choreography ... Also illegal lifts are not an issue unless the judges wish to berate someone for other reasons and then illegal lifts, like gapping, make an appearance in their vocabulary.

EDIT: I wish to emphasis that Darcey's improvement theory holds no water when her body language says otherwise. She was uncomfortable last year as she was this year and that to me is because she did not vote with integrity on either occasion. I'm sure there will be a YouTube vid of it somewhere to compare her behaviour last year to last night.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:35
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Len wasn't necessarily showing his own integrity. The producers could afford to have one judge vote for Jamelia and they decided to let the ballroom expert give the right decision after the other judges had saved a dancer with male genitalia to prevent a six girl/one boy situation in Week 10.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:38
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Len wasn't necessarily showing his own integrity. The producers could afford to have one judge vote for Jamelia and they decided to let the ballroom expert give the right decision after the other judges had saved a dancer with male genitalia to prevent a six girl/one boy situation in Week 10.
Great answer and I agree. Jamelia not a favourite of mine but a far better dancer on the night against Peter.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:39
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Well, I doubt Trent would have been allowed to change the choreography ... Also illegal lifts are not an issue unless the judges wish to berate someone for other reasons and then illegal lifts, like gapping, make an appearance in their vocabulary.
Len DID berate them. But I still think the waltzathon was manipulated to get Pixie higher up the leaderboard, therefore reckon she was bottom of the votes that night.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:44
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Len DID berate them. But I still think the waltzathon was manipulated to get Pixie higher up the leaderboard, therefore reckon she was bottom of the votes that night.
I haven't lost my memory. It should have been clear that I'm referring to the mercurialness of all the judges in picking up on appropriate techniques in the dances. Len berates when he wants as do the others. There have been lots of illegal lifts this year and they pass unremarked.

Now, I do not wish to argue with argument's sake with someone who wants to pick a fight about past history. Pixie Lott is relevant because of Darcey. I have laid the ghost of Pixie and Trent to rest. The DO decision tonight was a disgrace and Darcey has no integrity although they are all somewhat elastic in this respect.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:46
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I actually thought SImon deserved to win the DO against Pixie last year. Pixie didn't nail the cha cha leg action and that was what did her in. But I think then, Craig and Bruno chose Pixie because of overall dance ability or something along those lines.
Watch it back. I did the other day .. it's better than nearly all the cha chas we've had this year.
Pixie was a stunning dancer and Trent was a great choreographer. I know it was close on the night .. they were tied I think on the leaderboard but if anyone deserved the benefit of the doubt she did.
I was a Caroline fan but last year's final would have been so much better with Pixie in it. She was class.

Anyhow, they swore they saw something better in Simon on the night .. but they can't claim the same here! Peter was awful!
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:48
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I'm surprised Craig couldn't see the different between a dance with content to judge and a dance with the opposite. But then again, he's all about performance isn't he so maybe I shouldn't be. He starts off the proceeding so I tend to feel that Darcy just follows his lead as she, like lots of other people, see him as the fairer judge. Darcy also generally prefers the male celebs, that's pretty clear (she said as much at the sart of this series she'd like a male winner) so I'm not surprised at the couple of reasons she may not have saved Jamelia. Craig and Bruno however should know better, they've done the job long enough to know what dance deserves higher regard in a D.O.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:50
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I was a Caroline fan but last year's final would have been so much better with Pixie in it. She was class.
I bet Pixie wouldn't have come back to wow us with a show dance next year, over-weight and under-rehearsed
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:52
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Very interesting to observe the judges. Craig emphatic and cutting. Bruno who likes to wax was curt. Darcey looked decidedly uncomfortable and had her head in her hands after Len spoke.

To all those who consider Craig to have the most integrity as a judge ... he has none. Sells himself as readily now as he did when young. Not had any respect for Darcey since Pixie Lott last year.
The judges probably don't have much of a say in a lot of the decisions. The bit in bold was unnecessary and somewhat horrible.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:54
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I bet Pixie wouldn't have come back to wow us with a show dance next year, over-weight and under-rehearsed
Caroline had little rehearsal time as she had landed herself rather a plum job! Pixie would have had more time .. yes!
God! There's no hope for anyone if Caroline Flack is deemed overweight.
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Old 22-11-2015, 21:58
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I've never been a fan of Jamelia's but if I were judging this solely on the DO performances she was miles ahead of Peter. I have a feeling that from here on in he may well be towards the top of the leaderboard so it might be difficult to get rid of him but in my eyes, he is probably the weakest dancer left but has been consistently over marked.

I was just pleased this week to finally see the judges giving him an accurate score, I doubt we will see this again now he's been in the DO.
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