That is just how I would describe the appalling Andre.

Thanks a lot, much appreciated. So it was Craig and Darcey who were inconsistent, Bruno and Len could have gone either way. But we know Len would have put Jamelia through, so she was robbed. Unless you accept that Peter performed better second time around, couldn't see it myself.

Well things in real life are that simple are they. He who pays the piper orders tne tune or so. They are paid to judge, not the ones who really decide.

It was obvious that Peter had to stay - so Craig, Darcey and Bruno voted the same. If one voted otherwise and Len intervened Peter would have been gone. Sorry but that was a dreadful dance - I understand nerves and so on, being in the DO as a shock but what is tne point of the Dance Off after all? They could have eliminated whoever they want anyway, why the farce?!

The funny thing is, this is how Peter and his management thinks this is how you gain fans, when the reality is this sort of manipulation is how you lose potential fans.

If you want SCD stats, you should try ultimatestrictly.com. Not nearly as good as previous years, you'll still find it interesting!

All he did was prance about not dance properly

Sensible, I agree but we will be in the minority

As expected!
Of course it matters.
I thought both Peter and Jamelia were fine last night and on a very similar par, so overall peter had to stay.
I don't get upset or annoyed about it, because it's unimportant

Len is the only one with credibility in this debacle.

When you think that there is just one point in difference between what Len gave Jay's incredible Jive and what he gave Peter's non-Jive (9 and 8 respectively) - it makes no sense whatsoever.

They weren't on a par. Peter got less marks than Jamelia. Its only unimportant to Peter supporters. I'm sorry but I'm all for fairness in this life and this wasn't fair. It was either a dance off or not. Its not supposed to be the better dancer in the series otherwise why have a dance off in the first place.

Very true.

Oh, come on.

He wasn't that good!

Sadly this puts all my theories about the DO into disarray!! I have always regarded it as a necessity, otherwise the show would just be a public popularity contest but if the judges are going to start voting for their favourites (or who they've been told to vote for) then not sure where to go from there!! Take Bruno as an example! For weeks he's been telling Peter to stick to the dance instead of doing his own thing!! As I viewed it tonight Peter rwalised last night he couldn't really do the jive steps but the judges praised him for entertainment value so tonight he just thought 'sod the jive steps' & piled on the 'entertaining showman' routine....& Bruno voted for him- not good, not good at all!!
I would probably have to admit Peter has been the better dancer than Jamelia throughout the series but this was the dance off! Peter was in it because he performed crap, Jamelia was in it because the public haven't taken to her!! She danced far better on the night and in the dance off, yet still went out!! No, not good, not good at all!!

You're making silly and unsupported assumptions.

I've been very keen on jamelia, I can't understand why she as been so unpopular. I also like Peter, Jay and Georgia

There arent any rules regarding the way the judges choose in the dance off
It's only the people who have irrational bias against peter who think it's important love.
I like jamelia and Peter, I'd be happy whoever stayed but I'm intelligent and balanced enough to know its a daft dancing show. Don't worry about it.

A daft dance show with extremely well paid judges and they should at least judge with a degree of integrity
It was factual to anybody with dance experience that Peter doing a no jive jive and performing poorly was beaten into second place by a better performer on the night

There's very little on tv that isn't fixed, when they want it to be fixed.

So what is our theory about how the "fixing" works and about why the judges are willing to risk their personal and professional reputations by going along with it (or being part of it)?

"Darcy holding her head in her hands" -- was she supposedly forced against her will to save Peter?

Is Len not part of the conspiracy, or do the judges take it in turns to do the "fixing"?

I have never seen any credible explanation of how it would work.

Well, regardless of whether it's a "fix" or not, if it's the judges doing it out of some sort of "bias", why do the producers put up with it when it could be hugely damaging to the BBC (and to their careers)?

Not the point! The judges ALWAYS claim they send home the weakest person of the dance off. They say that previous weeks don't matter, it's down to that one dance.

And bar one, none of his dances have been excellent. He lacks technical ability. Haven't you noticed the judges rarely mention his footwork, it's usually the entertainment value they praise him on.

It would be the judges acting on the producers say so, which is why they appeared to be so frustrated. You must admit that there was no way Peters "jive" had improved, like Darcy claimed. Also, by the time it came around to Len, the decision had been made so it didn't matter how he voted.

Have I been watching a different show? Peter has been consistently very mediocre.

BUT.......do you think Len would have saved Jamelia and Tristan if Craig, Darcey or Bruno had had the guts to vote for them?
Or would he have toed the party line?

Easy to say he disagreed when it made no difference to the outcome

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/consolation_goal

That's what I thought. His sidekicks did the dirty work so he had a luxury of disagreeing with them.

This is how I think it works and I've read comments by a couple ex-pros that support this theory: The judges, writers, and producers watch the dress rehearsal together and the judges are told how to score the couples and comments are suggested.

They're given a little bit of leeway because a celebrity might fall down or go sit on the stairs (a la Matt di Angelo, but note he was still awarded 8's). So they can vary by a number or maybe even two, but only in extreme circumstances.

And they also go over possible bottom two scenarios and they're told who's to be kept and who isn't.

Note: They wouldn't all have to watch, but the rehearsal footage is scripted and scored according to the producers pre-planned but adjusted/evolving "storyboard" - and the scripts are delivered to the judges, whether they've watched or not.