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Janette Is a Terrible Mentor/Teacher
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FusionFury
22-11-2015
Yes, we all know Peter hasn't pulled up any trees and hasn't been as good as expected.. but his stompy and weak-footed footwork should've improved if Janette was actually doing her job since it was evident from week 1 Peter needs to work on that..

I like Janette as a dancer but not sure she is a great mentor, she seems the type who is too nice and got no bark to her..
madetomeasure
22-11-2015
Totally agree. She was dancing, Peter was prancing. The most disjointed dance I've seen.
Gullible Public
22-11-2015
The whole relationship between the two comes across as very forced in my opinion - The judges have been telling Peter about his faults for weeks now, and if he's so joyous about receive the critique then why hasn't he improved.

That isn't all down to Janette.
Layzeegoat
22-11-2015
She did well with Jake Wood last year, so I think the OP's statement is a bit harsh. Last night's jive wasn't good tho.
FiercelyHip
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by Layzeegoat:
“She did well with Jake Wood last year, so I think the OP's statement is a bit harsh. Last night's jive wasn't good tho.”

All style and no substance for Jake last year as well. Salsa she's fantastic at and a fantastic pro dancer, but I find her teaching is always going to leave a lot to be desired when she isn't well versed in ten dance.
SKID1
22-11-2015
not Janette fault she ended up with peter pop
CravenHaven
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Yes, we all know Peter hasn't pulled up any trees and hasn't been as good as expected.. but his stompy and weak-footed footwork should've improved if Janette was actually doing her job”

could have been they had to rework the routine from top to bottom if Peter pranged himself.
Anybody been watching the practice on It Takes Two?
shrinkingviolet
22-11-2015
This has been the only terrible dance I think she's choreographed, so I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.
joshjackson
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by shrinkingviolet:
“This has been the only terrible dance I think she's choreographed, so I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.”

She also choreographed a VW that was very lacking content-wise. And this was just last week.
RachelBlackburn
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by Layzeegoat:
“She did well with Jake Wood last year, so I think the OP's statement is a bit harsh. Last night's jive wasn't good tho.”

Er, no, she really didn't do well with Jake last year. Jake, like Peter, started with great showmanship and massive potential but lacked basic technique. And he was ultimately kicked out by Len because a dozen shows later he still hadn't improved and still didn't have any basic technique.

I couldn't believe it when Peter did his flick under Bruno's tuition - it was as if nobody had ever told him how to do a flick before. And you know, I suspect she hadn't.
joshjackson
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by Layzeegoat:
“She did well with Jake Wood last year, so I think the OP's statement is a bit harsh. Last night's jive wasn't good tho.”

She arguably did well with Jake Wood because he could sell the dance and Jake won a lot of fans for his salsa (more a party dance than anything), kinda similar to Jay suddenly being so popular because of his jive.

But if you notice, Jake hardly improved in technique when he was assigned the ballroom/latin dance. I can still remember his dreadful cha cha.
NotaTypo
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“Yes, we all know Peter hasn't pulled up any trees and hasn't been as good as expected.. but his stompy and weak-footed footwork should've improved if Janette was actually doing her job since it was evident from week 1 Peter needs to work on that..

I like Janette as a dancer but not sure she is a great mentor, she seems the type who is too nice and got no bark to her..”

She can only work with what she's given. It's not Janette's fault if Peter doesn't follow orders.
Tejas
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by Gullible Public:
“The whole relationship between the two comes across as very forced in my opinion - The judges have been telling Peter about his faults for weeks now, and if he's so joyous about receive the critique then why hasn't he improved.

That isn't all down to Janette.”

EXACTLY. Either he isn't listening or he just doesn't have it in him to improve, I reckon. I don't think Janette should be getting the blame here. And as for Jake Wood, Pondray isn't fit to polish his dance shoes.
artlesschaos
22-11-2015
I think she has done well with what she has been given. He is the one who is not learning. She choreographs around his skill set and to try and disguise his lack of technique. She has been trying to teach him jive - we could see that on Tuesday, he hasn't learned it...then end result is...that.

She is not great on technique. But this is not her fault.
*Laura*
22-11-2015
I can remember a clip on last year's ITT when Jake asked Janette about technique and she brushed it off by saying something like "just concentrate on the routine". That comment always stayed with me and I do believe she just wants her celeb to "perform" the dance rather than "learn" the basics.
joshjackson
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by artlesschaos:
“I think she has done well with what she has been given. He is the one who is not learning. She choreographs around his skill set and to try and disguise his lack of technique. She has been trying to teach him jive - we could see that on Tuesday, he hasn't learned it...then end result is...that.

She is not great on technique. But this is not her fault.”

If she's not great on technique, and it's not her fault, then whose fault is it?? Her dance teacher?

If she herself hasn't nailed jive technique, then she shouldn't be a pro. How can she be expected to teach it then?
Sarah777
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by Gullible Public:
“The whole relationship between the two comes across as very forced in my opinion - The judges have been telling Peter about his faults for weeks now, and if he's so joyous about receive the critique then why hasn't he improved.

That isn't all down to Janette.”

It is down to Janette. She is the Pro and can look at Peter and correct him.
I don't think she is really that keen to win. Whom did she dance with last year??..
IvanIV
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by Sarah777:
“It is down to Janette. She is the Pro and can look at Peter and correct him.
I don't think she is really that keen to win. Whom did she dance with last year??..”

You don't remember? Opa!
MaggieMcGee
22-11-2015
I think Janette is a terrible choreographer and teacher of ballroom. She might be good as a teacher of dancing with which she trained in, I don't know. I suspect that Peter Andre cannot be taught as he has too many bad habits. It's not hard to choreograph flicks and kicks. The little there were, terrible.
David Wright
22-11-2015
Peter had two "kicks and flicks" throughout the whole of his "Jive" and he was terrible at them...

So I suspect Janette created this dance to cover up the fact that Peter is incapable of performing a Jive.

And let's be honest, it worked... Because he is still in and Jamelia is out.
Goaty
22-11-2015
Sorry why is it Janette's fault?

Peter's legs still same in his dances.
fatskia
22-11-2015
I think she's a nice person, good dancer and gives it 100%. You can't expect more than that.

My issue would be with the producer. The producer hires the pros, and cannot be unhappy with the job Janette has done.
artlesschaos
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by joshjackson:
“If she's not great on technique, and it's not her fault, then whose fault is it?? Her dance teacher?

If she herself hasn't nailed jive technique, then she shouldn't be a pro. How can she be expected to teach it then?”

Then the issue is surely the people that hired her?
I think anyone who taught pa would have struggled, he doesn't seem to understand what is needed of him.
Miriam_R
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by joshjackson:
“If she's not great on technique, and it's not her fault, then whose fault is it?? Her dance teacher?

If she herself hasn't nailed jive technique, then she shouldn't be a pro. How can she be expected to teach it then?”

It's the producers fault if they hire a pro not up to the job to teach. I'm guessing the pro is glad to be hired and just runs with the opportunity. Look at Anton, blatantly not good at dancing Latin, let alone teaching it, yet the producers keep him year on year even though he can only properly teach ballroom 100% and merely do his best to mimmick Latin as best he can (even though he's had a good few years on the show to improve).

Janette doesn't have a Latin/ballroom background like the other pros that have learnt and competed ballroom and Latin from a young age, so she's a very accomplished general dancer trying to mimmick ballroom and Latin. Arguably she does relatively well to do double what Anton has to try and do, but yes, sometimes some routines don't come off. I think though the other pros have had their moments over the years, and even this year Aljaz, Giovanni and Natalie haven't filled dance with enough content, and they'd be more expected to be able to do so given their background.
Dervlathedog
22-11-2015
Originally Posted by RachelBlackburn:
“Er, no, she really didn't do well with Jake last year. Jake, like Peter, started with great showmanship and massive potential but lacked basic technique. And he was ultimately kicked out by Len because a dozen shows later he still hadn't improved and still didn't have any basic technique.

I couldn't believe it when Peter did his flick under Bruno's tuition - it was as if nobody had ever told him how to do a flick before. And you know, I suspect she hadn't.”

i want to defend Janette cos I don't especially like it when the forum goes all witch-hunty, but this was simply too obvious on the results show. Janette can make routines that are eye-catching and extravagant but it's like a stage backdrop rather than a solid building
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