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What possible advantage was it to put Peter through?
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Anne_Cameron
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by Rosie Primrose:
“Yes, I can see that tonight's result was fixed ( ruined the programme for me) but what is the advantage in putting PA through over Jamelia? I don't get it.”

Presumably it was for balance - otherwise there would be only one male 'celeb' left in the show.
aggs
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by curvybabes:
“Because they still think Peter is popular and a big signing lol”

Yeah, so popular that he couldn't even be lifted out of the bottom 2 on the first time of asking
jiroos
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Yeah, so popular that he couldn't even be lifted out of the bottom 2 on the first time of asking ”

But as for the PREVIOUS eight weeks...or shall we just gloss over those???
aggs
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“Even if he tops the leaderboard??

Face the facts - he's going nowhere but into that Final. We all know Jay is going to win but, to not look 1) far too obvious and 2) sexist, Jay must contend to the end with, at least one of his own kind...and as all the other males in the cast were deemed not good enough, your man has got that part locked down.

So you're hoping will be to no avail...”

The number of couples left now is such that top of the leaderboard could fall to the bottom quite easilly even without ties. Add in the possibility of ties and top to bottom isn't that far to fall at all.
SKID1
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by pennybel:
“I agree and unless Peter is on another planet he will be fully aware of the big fix. If he has any principles he should quit the show rather than be associated with blatant fixing by the BBC.I agree it is not his fault but why would he wish to be associated with such goings on. Shame on the 3 judges for agreeing to it.”

it won't be nice knowing the massive backlash ,
SKID1
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by Walter Neff:
“We will see just how popular he is next week, I think that there will be a big public backlash and hopefully he will go.”

* high fives * Walter
hiawatha
23-11-2015
I have to disagree with most on here.
Peter is a better dancer than Jamelia, even the judges think so as he has topped the leader board in the past and three put him thro' on Saturday.
I agree his jive was not his beat dance.
Jamelia is a lovely lady,with a good personality,extremely likeable and has improved since the show started but in my humble opinion is not as good as Peter, dancewise.

I'm not familiar with what he's done previously on other shows but I really don't know why people seem to dislike Peter so much.What has he done?
Walter Neff
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by jiroos:
“Even if he tops the leaderboard??

Face the facts - he's going nowhere but into that Final. We all know Jay is going to win but, to not look 1) far too obvious and 2) sexist, Jay must contend to the end with, at least one of his own kind...and as all the other males in the cast were deemed not good enough, your man has got that part locked down.

So you're hoping will be to no avail...”

Don't underestimate the general public, they are not stupid, and they know that they have been conned. Andre was bottom of the leaderboard this week, which proves that he is not as popular as his fans in here would have us believe. Do you seriously believe that he will get anywhere near the top again? he just does not have the ability of the remaining dancers, and I very much doubt that his fan base has grown.
katt
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by midflight:
“Have you lott [pun intended] ever watched Strictly before!?

One single word answers all your questions, and more:

T O U R

It's the same every year... ”

Peter isnt doing the tour

Ainsley is but he was knocked out weeks ago

there is no tour theory! it doesnt matter what week you get knocked out - Ainsley doing the tour has proved that

many celebs who dont make the final do the tour
blowup
23-11-2015
Janette's routines are a lot more interesting than Tristan's, Le Andre has more ability than Jamelia. She's been in the dance off five times. I would have saved him too.
yenston
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by Chiltons Cane:
“They don't want only one male dancer left this early on.”

Agree. This is the reason Peter was saved.
smilliekylie
23-11-2015
Fair enough, if you're a fan of stomping around and not attempting to actually perform a dance with the correct steps/kicks then you are entitled to want Peter to continue.

Each to their own I guess, I like the competitors to at least try to perform the actual dance.
midflight
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“But Peter isn't able to do the tour...... That's why he whined to the papers that he wouldn't win.......”

Erm, sorry to disappoint you... but Peter IS doing the tour. If you'd researched the facts of the story to which you refer, you would have discovered the truth:

He is (was) signed up to do SOME, but not ALL of the dates on the tour. His 'whining to the papers' was indeed whining (albeit, fake whining). It was not (as reported in some rags) : "They won't let me win because I'm not doing the tour", it was in fact this: "I've agreed to do some of the tour, but I've not yet agreed to do every single date, and I'm worried they won't let me win, as they'll naturally want the winner to appear at every show..."

Anyway, I reckon he really has signed up for ALL the dates, and has been all along, but didn't want it announcing too soon, as it would likely damage ticket sales of his own singing tour.... which by some massive coincidence happens to end just before the Strictly tour starts...!. [Or the other way round, who cares?]. Regardless, if there'd been even a slight overlap, then the whole charade would perhaps have been more convincing...

Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“He's been protected by the judges all the way through via being kept near the top of the leaderboard by being overmarked, and at the expense of better dancers! When he ends up in his fair position (bottom of the leaderboard) - it shows that he is as unpopular as Jamelia as far as the public are concerned, and the only reason he is still there is because at least two judges reversed their original marks. In the Dance off”

I agree with all of that, and here's one you missed: look at the dances he's got left! Nobody has a better selection - because nobody else doing the tour needs as much help as he does to get to the final. But he will get there, and the explanation is simple : he's doing the tour.
blowup
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by smilliekylie:
“Fair enough, if you're a fan of stomping around and not attempting to actually perform a dance with the correct steps/kicks then you are entitled to want Peter to continue.

Each to their own I guess, I like the competitors to at least try to perform the actual dance. ”

I find Jamelia a very heavy and stomping dancer. Not fond of Andre either, but I think him and Janette are way more entertaining than Jamelia and Tristan. I preferred the "jive". Jamelia probably went on her best dance, so I get why people are annoyed, but her dances were always boring and it's not like she had set a high standard for herself.
I can't bring myself to be outraged because I thought J and T were dull.
smilliekylie
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by blowup:
“I find Jamelia a very heavy and stomping dancer. Not fond of Andre either, but I think him and Janette are way more entertaining than Jamelia and Tristan. I preferred the "jive". Jamelia probably went on her best dance, so I get why people are annoyed, but her dances were always boring and it's not like she had set a high standard for herself.
I can't bring myself to be outraged because I thought J and T were dull.”

Well yes I do agree that Jamelia started off a bit stompy and her last dance was a big improvement on her previous form.

I think this is the crux of the matter with people being annoyed about the DO. It's always stated that it's 'based on that nights performance' obviously it isn't, they took into account previous, Jamelia danced the best over both the LIve & DO, yet was booted out

There is now, no point in the DO, and it should just be decided by whoever was better throughout the series.

Sadly the DO is now a farce
IvanIV
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by smilliekylie:
“There is now, no point in the DO, and it should just be decided by whoever was better throughout the series.

Sadly the DO is now a farce ”

They should remove the DO completely. Have public vote to decide. Less drama for the results show, but since the judges choose to ignore it anyway as they please, what's point.
midflight
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by katt:
“Peter isnt doing the tour

Ainsley is but he was knocked out weeks ago

there is no tour theory! it doesnt matter what week you get knocked out - Ainsley doing the tour has proved that

many celebs who dont make the final do the tour”

LOL. Obviously! Otherwise they'd only be 4 people touring!

The question you SHOULD be pondering is:

How many clebs who make the final don't tour??

SEB is the only recent one who springs to mind, and look what happened to her in the final!
katt
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by midflight:
“LOL. Obviously! Otherwise they'd only be 4 people touring!

The question you SHOULD be pondering is:

How many clebs who make the final don't tour??

SEB is the only recent one who springs to mind, and look what happened to her in the final!”

yeah, sorry bit of a daft thing to post, I know, but so many people are twittering on about celebs not making the final because they wont be aloud to tour - where is the roll eye smilie when you need one!

I guess it really boils down to WHO is available to tour, regardless of where they finish in the series

many have day jobs and CANT tour because of commitments

Alesha Dixon is the celeb that always springs to my mind - series winner and didnt do the tour
Monkseal
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by midflight:
“I agree with all of that, and here's one you missed: look at the dances he's got left! Nobody has a better selection - because nobody else doing the tour needs as much help as he does to get to the final. But he will get there, and the explanation is simple : he's doing the tour. ”

On the contrary he has a terrible draw - American Smooth, Salsa, Samba, and Argentine Tango are the worst four dances to have in the show and have the highest elimination rates. The only "safe" dance he has left is waltz, and even that's not one of the best.
blowup
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by smilliekylie:
“Well yes I do agree with that Jamelia started off a bit stompy and her last dance was a big improvement on her previous form.

I think this is the crux of the matter with people being annoyed about the DO. It's always stated that it's 'based on that nights performance' obviously it isn't, they took into account previous, Jamelia danced the best over both the LIve & DO, yet was booted out

There is now, no point in the DO, and it should just be decided by whoever was better throughout the series.

Sadly the DO is now a farce ”

I get what you're saying, it should be based on the dance off (incidentally I thought the "jive" was better and Jamelia not that great, but I understand that is apparently wrong ), but honestly... I'm glad they didn't, and in the circumstances, I don't think Jamelia was robbed and I don't think it's an outrage, just a bit contentious.

Jamelia lacks natural finesse, and lacks the personality to elevate from this (and Tristan lacks the choreography too). She improved, and her QS was so much better, but do I care that I'm not watching them next week? No. I'm sure it would have been boring. And I think the judges are also thinking about this. So what some see an an outrage/fix, I see as meh, I'm glad. It's common sense
Hells_Chicken
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by Rosie Primrose:
“Yes, I can see that tonight's result was fixed ( ruined the programme for me) but what is the advantage in putting PA through over Jamelia? I don't get it.”

Viewing figures, social media coverage, time spent discussing it on forums - any publicity is good publicity.

Call me cynical, but they do this every year.
Mystical123
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by Rosie Primrose:
“Yes, I can see that tonight's result was fixed ( ruined the programme for me) but what is the advantage in putting PA through over Jamelia? I don't get it.”

1. Jamelia was in the dance-off for the fifth time, so clearly wasn't popular
2. Jamelia had up until now been in the dance-off with people who were much worse than her. This was the first real fight she had to stay in - previously she'd been the obvious choice to stay.
3. Peter Andre is arguably a bigger name - more publicity, and he probably gets cut more slack by the producers.
4. Peter has been saved by phone votes from having to a dance-off for some pretty average dances before, so clearly he does get the votes most weeks.
5. Votes = revenue.
cwickham
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by StrictlyEastend:
“Craig saved Pixie in that dance off though. ”

Yes, my point was that the claim that Pixie was eliminated because she wasn't doing the tour wasn't borne out by the facts - if it was then Craig (the director of the tour and the only judge involved with it that year) would have saved Simon.
Mystical123
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by cwickham:
“Yes, my point was that the claim that Pixie was eliminated because she wasn't doing the tour wasn't borne out by the facts - if it was then Craig (the director of the tour and the only judge involved with it that year) would have saved Simon.”

The simple truth about that dance-off was that Simon danced better than Pixie. Nothing to do with the tour, and Craig could save whoever he wanted.

I don't think anyone can seriously argue that Peter danced better than Jamelia this time...
Lilystar
23-11-2015
Originally Posted by Mystical123:
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5. Votes = revenue.”

No, they don't. Online voting is free, and the telephone voting covers the cost of the company that runs it. There's no revenue stream for the BBC from any Strictly voting.
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