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lovelylissa
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by ssr:
“But Peter did not receive a standing ovation, so they had to film one. Check with your friend”

Um, I did. They said he got a standing ovation initially.
lovelylissa
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by SKID1:
“did they have a birds eye view from the big one ,???”

They were sat to the left of the judges and weren't allowed to stand up because of the cameras
lovelylissa
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by daziechain:
“It's not what Jamelia said is it? ... and she was on the spot and had been in that position FOUR times before so it definitely wasn't a usual occurrence.”

It's not what she implied, certainly.
POTD
24-11-2015
Why would you need to refilm the audience reaction anyway?

Generally you refilm sections if the audio wasn't good enough, so on programmes like HIGNFY they might ask the host to repeat a couple of lines.
An Thropologist
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by POTD:
“Why would you need to refilm the audience reaction anyway?

Generally you refilm sections if the audio wasn't good enough, so on programmes like HIGNFY they might ask the host to repeat a couple of lines.”

Because in a studio you have a controlled environment built for purpose. You can set up your camera angles very easily free of any obstruction to film the action both on and off the floor.

The Tower Ballroom wasn't built for TV so it is likely that filming in there presents a number of operation challenges. For example a panning shot to move from the floor to the stalls may have to cross the path of a pillar.

So in such cirumstances it would be quite reasonable to set the cameras up to take some footage say from the dance floor., then move it to film some back ground, textural footage. The alternative would be to have twice as many camearas and camera operators which is expensive.
Monaogg
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by lovelylissa:
“They were sat to the left of the judges and weren't allowed to stand up because of the cameras”

And yet the area to the left of the judges (facing the dancefloor) is exactly where people are always seen giving standing ovations on camera as the couples wander over to Tess, and where people were seen standing after Kellie & Kevin's dance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p038r3nr
dippydancing
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“It makes absolute sense to me. If you have ever worked with a film crew it is quite common for them to film continuity or actuality or what they call textural material as a separate task to the main event. They then use these clips interwoven with the main material during editing.

Often the main material is coming in from more than one source (camera) and it is quite normal to splice together footage from serveral sources to create the rushes which are then evaluated for the final film. Its quite normal and all film makers do it.

In my experience film makers have a huge integrity about their art. Having commissioned film and sat in the editing suite choosing footage that I though showed us to best advantage I was often told quite categorically that I couldn't make a cut where I wanted. The reasons were both practical and ethical.

The separate shooting of textural or actuality is mostly practical. Your cameras are busy during the main action. You want to follow that in case you miss something. So images that tend not to change, like audience scense, shots of the scenery, buildings et al can be shot during quieter moments. Sometimes reshooting is done because somethig happened during the first take such as a tchnical fault, a physical barrier or the camera man just didn't get the best footage he could.

The fact that a scene was shot twice is not sufficent evidence of a conspiracy in my mind. It might be but I doubt it.”

Yeah- I've re-watched the end of the dance, and all that's there is a shot of the front row of celeb F&F (just 8 people in the shot) standing and clapping. It's really not a big deal. As you say- continuity rather than showing us a mass standing ovation.

In fact- I wonder if Jamelia used the air quotes more as recognition of the in-joke about Bruce/Tess always going on about them, in much the same way as the over-use of "the j-word".
youngthing12
24-11-2015
Well the first time he done his dance on the show he did not get a standing ovation
Everyone clapped for a short period 🙃 So why would it change later in the show as he was worse later than his first dance and his first was bad 😡
SKID1
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“And yet the area to the left of the judges (facing the dancefloor) is exactly where people are always seen giving standing ovations on camera as the couples wander over to Tess, and where people were seen standing after Kellie & Kevin's dance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p038r3nr”

nice work
BuddyBontheNet
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by David Waine:
“It would be interesting to know who the spokesman was. The Director General? One of the cleaners, perhaps?”

More likely the cleaner's donkey.
MinaH
24-11-2015
The damaging aspect of Jamelia's reveal is that the reshoot with standing ovation occurred before the judges gave their judgement. Because she said that was when she knew she had no chance of being saved. Hence that occurred before the Judges gave their decision.

And yes when Len gravely said he would have saved Jamelia because his professionalism as a professional judge would have him do no other, Darcey held her head in shame / regret.

Hence I think they reshot the end part of Peters dance off because the audience must have received his dance off in stony silence or at least muted applause.

Craig, Darcey and Bruno took into account Peter was the better dancer and the fact this was the fifth time Jamelia was in the dance - off and Peter's first time .... although Peter was clearly second best on the night - basically because Peter had not been taught / or mastered the jive basics.
youngthing12
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by lovelylissa:
“They were sat to the left of the judges and weren't allowed to stand up because of the cameras”

Well they stood up earlier for the other couples that were good xxx
dippydancing
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“And yet the area to the left of the judges (facing the dancefloor) is exactly where people are always seen giving standing ovations on camera as the couples wander over to Tess, and where people were seen standing after Kellie & Kevin's dance.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p038r3nr”

Well yes- they weren't standing. So the "re-recording to show people giving a standing ovation" didn't, in fact, happen.

I reckon it was just to show the F&F standing. It's not a big story. The only big story is the craigdarceybruno voting lunacy.
RichmondBlue
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by fondantfancy:
“Jamelia has just said on Loose Women that Peter did not receive a SO.

To broadcast a shot of a fake SO is a step too far in the production of a show - especially when the result looks so questionable.”

Yes, that's the bottom line. Putting bits of applause or laughter in here and there is acceptable. But when you have a dance-off in a competition, deliberately trying to make one contestant's performance appear more crowd-pleasing or exciting is a step too far. If that's indeed what happened of course.
lundavra
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by fondantfancy:
“Jamelia has just said on Loose Women that Peter did not receive a SO.

To broadcast a shot of a fake SO is a step too far in the production of a show - especially when the result looks so questionable.”

It happens all the time on many shows and always has.
KorkyTheCat
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“It happens all the time on many shows and always has.”

...not to substantiate a pre-made decision though. We'll never see the results show broadcast live, will we?
Justabloke
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by ssr:
“"A BBC spokesman told the Mirror: "Following Peter's performance in the dance off, for which he received a standing ovation from the audience, continuity shots were taken during a break in filming to reset the dance floor."

Absolute tosh!!”

Oh do stop crying.
look here's a nice putty tat for you to stroke ->
amelia_lee
24-11-2015
The dance off, yes I believe Jamelia was slightly better.

However this whole standing ovation thing I just do not buy.

As he finishes his dance you can see people standing up in the wide shot. The cut in version that Jamelia and this mole said was refilmed and added in, well it was Peter's wife and his 'people', I would guess no matter how he had danced they would have stood up anyway.

So I do think the thing is bent to the producers will and most likely a fix, this does not prove it to me as these sort of things do happen on set.
Justabloke
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by fondantfancy:
“Jamelia has just said on Loose Women that Peter did not receive a SO.

To broadcast a shot of a fake SO is a step too far in the production of a show - especially when the result looks so questionable.”

Do you know what? The *only* place I've ever seen Jamilia is on this show and I wouldn't trust a single word she uttered. she struck me as being sulky and more than a touch diva'ish
I don't give a stuff about Peter Andre either as it happens but she's been in the do FIVE times, if she didn't go this week she'd be going next and all this crying about doesn't change a single thing.
amelia_lee
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by dippydancing:
“Yeah- I've re-watched the end of the dance, and all that's there is a shot of the front row of celeb F&F (just 8 people in the shot) standing and clapping. It's really not a big deal. As you say- continuity rather than showing us a mass standing ovation.

In fact- I wonder if Jamelia used the air quotes more as recognition of the in-joke about Bruce/Tess always going on about them, in much the same way as the over-use of "the j-word".”

On loose women today she actually said Peter did not get a SO after his dance and she did.
PJenks
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by Justabloke:
“Do you know what? The *only* place I've ever seen Jamilia is on this show and I wouldn't trust a single word she uttered. she struck me as being sulky and more than a touch diva'ish
I don't give a stuff about Peter Andre either as it happens but she's been in the do FIVE times, if she didn't go this week she'd be going next and all this crying about doesn't change a single thing.”

Why keep talking about "crying"? Jamelia didn't cry, the poster on here you just rudely accused of crying didn't cry.......people are just discussing something that has happened in a show they are interested in. Your unpleasantness is unnecessary and uncalled for.
magstango
24-11-2015
For me, it doesn't matter that Jamelia was in the dance off five times, each time she appeared to be the better of the two dancers and got through. Fair enough. This week she appears to have been the better dancer but the judges and/or BBC decided not to put her through. It's a shame, it leaves me wondering about the credibility of the BBC and whether or not they manipulate other information for other, more serious programmes. I would like to think they don't but if Saturday/Sunday is proof of their track record, who knows.
calamity
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by Oliver_Bear:
“I feel sorry for the judges, they are the fall guys in all this, and I don't believe it was their decision for one minute.”

The judges are all loaded, they should have had the integrity either to walk off or tell the truth..
LukaForever
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by lundavra:
“It happens all the time on many shows and always has.”

And that makes it okay?
Monaogg
24-11-2015
Originally Posted by MinaH:
“The damaging aspect of Jamelia's reveal is that the reshoot with standing ovation occurred before the judges gave their judgement. Because she said that was when she knew she had no chance of being saved. Hence that occurred before the Judges gave their decision.

And yes when Len gravely said he would have saved Jamelia because his professionalism as a professional judge would have him do no other, Darcey held her head in shame / regret.

Hence I think they reshot the end part of Peters dance off because the audience must have received his dance off in stony silence or at least muted applause.

Craig, Darcey and Bruno took into account Peter was the better dancer and the fact this was the fifth time Jamelia was in the dance - off and Peter's first time .... although Peter was clearly second best on the night - basically because Peter had not been taught / or mastered the jive basics.”

I am wondering if any of the statistical whizzes on this site would know when prior to Blackpool Peter's support has really been tested?

Maybe his overmarking has been protecting him up to now?
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