I don't know who I'm more disgusted with, Duncan or ITV. Duncan was clearly mocking what he perceives to be her sexuality. 'I'm a laydee' is the catch phrase of David Walliams character, Emily Howard, who is a man in drag who pretends to be a lady. The leg crossing was from Kenny Everett character who was also a man in drag. As Lady C was brought up as a boy until her teen years, this was a direct and disgusting homophobic jibe directed at her. Duncan would have been thrown out if he'd have behaved like this with anyone else. I'm disgusted that ITV would condone this.

For all Lady C's insults, she never once stooped so low as to mock Brians sexuality during her argument with him. Duncan should have been asked to leave, I doubt he would have got away with this on BB.

You're seeing something that really is not there.

I suppose the thing is, he never directly made homophobic remarks. If picked up on it he could have said that he was just making fun of her title. I didn't know the leg crossing was from a Kenny Everett sketch and I'm sure there may even be viewers who didn't recognise the David Walliams thing either.

Then what do you think Duncan was getting at when he made his mocking impression of Lady C a composite of David Walliams and Kenny Everett?

as far as we know. They could have been edited out

Lol I was waiting for this thread.
Over egging it a tad I feel.

I don't think you should assume the above deliberately nasty intent - and really, despite the Everett gesture and the imitation of the Walliams character, we have no way of knowing what his intent was, and unless he's pulled up on it on the show and clarifies, we never will.

As I saw it, as infantile and petty as it was, it was imo him sneering at the idea of her being ladylike, rather than not a lady/female, since Duncan clearly doesn't see anything ladylike about the way she expresses herself.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on this one, mainly because I find it difficult to believe he could be quite that vicious. A dour old goat he certainly is, and a very unpleasant one at times, but I feel even he would not go so low, and particularly so publicly low.

It's not homophobic is it? I mean, Lady C isn't gay, she was born female and fancies men.

But it's certainly offensive what he was doing which was a clear personal dig.

Lady C did call Brian a 'bitch' which denotes his sexuality perhaps?

I think he would to be honest.

It was just a personal mocking dig, there were no homophobic intentions from what I could see. I despise homophobia as much as anyone (people who use the term "that's gay" in a derogatory way really rile me), but this is just looking for something to be offended by when there really is nothing there.

Well I wouldn't have thought so until last night when a poster wrote a little bit about Lady C's history.
If she's mentioned it in camp to the others then the OP may be onto something.

I'm not sure if ITV are condoning anything bad, but I think they may have a responsibility to fill the viewers in with what they may not be aware of, and then let the voting sort things out.

Yes, that's the problem. Whether it was covert and something you can make an excuse up for.
I think most viewers will be in the dark about this, as was I. But I feel a bit uncomfortable about it if this indeed was an attack on Lady C's gender identity as it now looks like it could be.

The Kenny Everett reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkqxagJglaI coupled up with 'I'm a Laydee' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4THO9-N--k4 doesn't seem to be a mickey take of her poshness or lack of it now in hindsight.

So you think it's just random, out of all the things he could have done, that he chose to mesh two cultural references to transvestism as a means of mocking her?

If you were waiting for this thread then surely that would indicate that's what you were thinking about too and that there may be something to it wouldn't it?

Because I was completely in the dark about it until last night when I found out about Lady C's problems in early life regarding the identity of her gender.

I was waiting for the mass hysteria to reach epic proportions.
We see it every year with BigBrother it starts off calmly but within a week or so there are wildly exaggerated accusations about the most innocuous events within the house.
This show is no different in that respect.

Agree. And if you look at the background to this, so many of his and Lady C's clashes have centred around her saying she's a lady (as in, she's cultured, has standards, morals etc) and him saying no lady would behave in the way she does. It's always been about behaviour, not sexuality. And because the 'lady' word gets bandied about so much between them, I think his mind just went to the Walliams' character's 'laydeee' catch-phrase, and he added his own 'comedy' with the coarse Everett leg cross to qualify his 'unladylike' sneer at her.

That's how I see it anyway.

Why do you think there will be mass hysteria which will reach epic proportions?

Because as I've said we see it every year with big brother.
Forum posters seem to thrill in hyperbole.
It wouldn't surprise me someone says Tony is worse than Hitler.

I actually don't know what to think about this act of Duncan's. I was taken aback when I saw it, and found it very uncomfortable to watch. I realised it did not sit right with me, I grasped the Kenny Everett thing but the Walliams thing has just clicked. IF this was more innocent than it appears, which it may well be (him plucking a well known phrase that mocks her title as well as a well known impersonation of a 'lady' and putting them together) then I think it was poorly chosen and unfortunate. I really can't decide if he meant it quite as blatantly as it came out. I don't think I can let myself believe he would do that on TV but it certainly appears as discriminatory. I try not to overthink these things but I was open mouthed watching that unfold.

Speaking of hyperbole...

Yep, exactly how I see it.

You saw my point

To me Duncan lost the plot and was showing off more than getting at lady Cs sexuality, Ive gone right off him though.. hes not as nice a person as I thought.

When he did it I did think of the Little Britain sketch and wonder if that's what he was getting at. Despicable if so.

Duncan seemed to be keeping things in check, until the row last night when he completely lost it. He could see that all the insults and yelling - everything being fired at her, was like water off a duck's back. So imo he was desperate to find a way to get to her. I think you may be right OP - the fact that he was mimicking Kenny Everet AND David Walliams both in drag, wasn't simply suggesting she was being precious, but a more nasty, personal go at her.