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ITV condoning homophobia.
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colinwill
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by vixj83:
“I actually don't know what to think about this act of Duncan's. I was taken aback when I saw it, and found it very uncomfortable to watch. I realised it did not sit right with me, I grasped the Kenny Everett thing but the Walliams thing has just clicked. IF this was more innocent than it appears, which it may well be (him plucking a well known phrase that mocks her title as well as a well known impersonation of a 'lady' and putting them together) then I think it was poorly chosen and unfortunate. I really can't decide if he meant it quite as blatantly as it came out. I don't think I can let myself believe he would do that on TV but it certainly appears as discriminatory. I try not to overthink these things but I was open mouthed watching that unfold.”

I personally think it was innocent from Duncan, but it did make me wince a bit.

Duncan is a super wealthy and successful entrepreneur, but he has (to me at least) come across as a surprisingly blunt and ignorant tool in this series.

I don't like him anymore....but I think this was just an innocent joke, albeit from an ignorant man (although, I use that word, only in the biological sense).
trevor tiger
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by Fried Kickin:
“You saw my point ”

The only hyperbole though is your description of the reaction which doesn't seem to bear any relation to the actual discussion that is taking place.

I think if it was a pop at Lady C's particular situation it was done unconsciously. It seemed it was the line 'I'm a lady' that he was mocking and having a go at. I can't believe he was actually mocking herself. However maybe that's because I'm a decent person unlike Duncan and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
tuppencehapenny
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by Fried Kickin:
“I was waiting for the mass hysteria to reach epic proportions.
We see it every year with BigBrother it starts off calmly but within a week or so there are wildly exaggerated accusations about the most innocuous events within the house.
This show is no different in that respect.”

Your comment which bears no relation to the discussion here is in itself a wild exaggeration. Ironic.
1fab
26-11-2015
It wouldn't surprise me if a remnant of seventies style "humour" is part of Duncan's mentality. I've met a few older people who still think it's ok to make racist/sexist "jokes". Never mind, they'll die off soon enough, thank goodness!

Lady C (same age as Duncan), on the other hand, seems to have moved with the times a bit more. Her self-awareness is hard-won due to her difficult early years. She has a lot of bottled up anger, which she tends to vent when challenged. No doubt that's been a problem for her over the years. I think she has a good heart, though - but she just can't stand injustice.
AngelJean
26-11-2015
In what way was that homophobic? Lady C is not gay.
Fried Kickin
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by AngelJean:
“In what way was that homophobic? Lady C is not gay.”

Don't let facts get in the way of hysteria
fleet
26-11-2015
This cant be serious? Some people just see things that are clearly not there!

But its okay for her to call everyone horrible things!!
Foxster Hotpot
26-11-2015
I loathe Duncan and his comments and I do believe they were rude but it was not Homophobia, for the simple reason, Lady C is not Gay/Lesbian.
hisdogspot
26-11-2015
Bannantyne was certainly mocking Lady C, and in a particularly cruel way.

He looked quite revolting while he was doing it too.
Mykey38
26-11-2015
There are times when the topics on here are so slanted its untrue
calamity
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by hisdogspot:
“Bannantyne was certainly mocking Lady C, and in a particularly cruel way.

He looked quite revolting while he was doing it too.”

he has an evil side and a nice side... Ive noticed it in a lot of his photos..
hisdogspot
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by calamity:
“he has an evil side and a nice side... Ive noticed it in a lot of his photos..”

Well I havn't noticed his 'nice side' since he's been in the jungle.

And that leg-twirling and high pitched voice taunting was utterly repulsive.
Toby LaRhone
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by sherriesim:
“I don't know who I'm more disgusted with, Duncan or ITV. Duncan was clearly mocking what he perceives to be her sexuality. 'I'm a laydee' is the catch phrase of David Walliams character, Emily Howard, who is a man in drag who pretends to be a lady. The leg crossing was from Kenny Everett character who was also a man in drag. As Lady C was brought up as a boy until her teen years, this was a direct and disgusting homophobic jibe directed at her. Duncan would have been thrown out if he'd have behaved like this with anyone else. I'm disgusted that ITV would condone this.

For all Lady C's insults, she never once stooped so low as to mock Brians sexuality during her argument with him. Duncan should have been asked to leave, I doubt he would have got away with this on BB.”

Homophobia?
He was mocking the pseudo "aristocratic" title she insists on clinging to and her affected superiority whilst being an absolutely vile woman.
As for her not mocking Brian's sexuality she referred to him as a "bitch". By your logic that's a homophobic insult - and, sexuality aside, she's made disgracefully offensive remarks to most of the team, and of the public, and has used foul language incessantly.
No-one would tolerate her presence or behaviour in any situation outside the contrived scenario of "The Jungle".
acid rain
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by AngelJean:
“In what way was that homophobic? Lady C is not gay.”


Exactly, they surely meant transphobic? Rather than homophobic.
acid rain
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by sherriesim:
“I don't know who I'm more disgusted with, Duncan or ITV. Duncan was clearly mocking what he perceives to be her sexuality. 'I'm a laydee' is the catch phrase of David Walliams character, Emily Howard, who is a man in drag who pretends to be a lady. The leg crossing was from Kenny Everett character who was also a man in drag. As Lady C was brought up as a boy until her teen years, this was a direct and disgusting homophobic jibe directed at her. Duncan would have been thrown out if he'd have behaved like this with anyone else. I'm disgusted that ITV would condone this.

For all Lady C's insults, she never once stooped so low as to mock Brians sexuality during her argument with him. Duncan should have been asked to leave, I doubt he would have got away with this on BB.”


But if that was his intention then he would clearly be mocking her for her gender rather than sexuality.

Gender and sexuality aren't actually the same thing.
Stellen11
26-11-2015
I thought this was going to be a reasoned topic about lady c vicious attacks on the only openly gay in the camp.
LED93
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by 1fab:
“It wouldn't surprise me if a remnant of seventies style "humour" is part of Duncan's mentality. I've met a few older people who still think it's ok to make racist/sexist "jokes". Never mind, they'll die off soon enough, thank goodness!

Lady C (same age as Duncan), on the other hand, seems to have moved with the times a bit more. Her self-awareness is hard-won due to her difficult early years. She has a lot of bottled up anger, which she tends to vent when challenged. No doubt that's been a problem for her over the years. I think she has a good heart, though - but she just can't stand injustice.”

They're plenty of young people who do the same though. Quite a few people younger than me do it, especially the sexist comments.

Oh and wishing death on people is a bit extreme. If I said that about a member of your family, I doubt you would like it.
honeythewitch
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by AngelJean:
“In what way was that homophobic? Lady C is not gay.”

No, but she is a woman who was forced to take male hormones which may have left her with masculine traits, and she might well feel sensitive about it.
sutie
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by sherriesim:
“I don't know who I'm more disgusted with, Duncan or ITV. Duncan was clearly mocking what he perceives to be her sexuality. 'I'm a laydee' is the catch phrase of David Walliams character, Emily Howard, who is a man in drag who pretends to be a lady. The leg crossing was from Kenny Everett character who was also a man in drag. As Lady C was brought up as a boy until her teen years, this was a direct and disgusting homophobic jibe directed at her. Duncan would have been thrown out if he'd have behaved like this with anyone else. I'm disgusted that ITV would condone this.

For all Lady C's insults, she never once stooped so low as to mock Brians sexuality during her argument with him. Duncan should have been asked to leave, I doubt he would have got away with this on BB.”




Quite ridiculous. He quite simply doesn't like her. All the rest is conjecture.
sutie
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“There are times when the topics on here are so slanted its untrue”




Quite.

I've got used to it now. Unbelievably rude, nasty and superior people are very quickly seen as 'legends.' Thank goodness the real world has a more realistic view.
benjamini
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by viva.espana:
“Agree. And if you look at the background to this, so many of his and Lady C's clashes have centred around her saying she's a lady (as in, she's cultured, has standards, morals etc) and him saying no lady would behave in the way she does. It's always been about behaviour, not sexuality. And because the 'lady' word gets bandied about so much between them, I think his mind just went to the Walliams' character's 'laydeee' catch-phrase, and he added his own 'comedy' with the coarse Everett leg cross to qualify his 'unladylike' sneer at her.

That's how I see it anyway.”

So much of this show is centred around a lot of hasbeens surely. They are all there reliving their glory days. , boxers, dance choreographers singers , presenters etc. does any one of them deserve to have their past ridiculed more than others?
I don't think it was a sexual reference, it was just a rather nasty personal put down. Disappointed in Duncan. Bit of an old arse really.
Cellomad
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by Angie_Plasty:
“Then what do you think Duncan was getting at when he made his mocking impression of Lady C a composite of David Walliams and Kenny Everett?”

Yes, I totally agree with you.
Dix
26-11-2015
Originally Posted by viva.espana:
“I don't think you should assume the above deliberately nasty intent - and really, despite the Everett gesture and the imitation of the Walliams character, we have no way of knowing what his intent was, and unless he's pulled up on it on the show and clarifies, we never will.

As I saw it, as infantile and petty as it was, it was imo him sneering at the idea of her being ladylike, rather than not a lady/female, since Duncan clearly doesn't see anything ladylike about the way she expresses herself.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt on this one, mainly because I find it difficult to believe he could be quite that vicious. A dour old goat he certainly is, and a very unpleasant one at times, but I feel even he would not go so low, and particularly so publicly low.”

If he had been a decent fellow, he wouldn't have made fun of Lady C at all.
Mastes1
27-11-2015
Some of you won't be happy until its 30 years from now when we are all walking around like emotionless zombies dressed in grey, drugged up on emotion killing 'a good citizen' drugs while the most edgy TV will be reruns of 'Farmhouse Kitchen'.

Honestly the hipster Twitter youth of today are destroying humanity without even realizing it.
broadshoulder
27-11-2015
Originally Posted by The Rhydler:
“It
Lady C did call Brian a 'bitch' which denotes his sexuality perhaps?”

I am very quick if I spot homophobia - Duncans mocking did not register with me

Lady C's jibe registered as a homophobic slur though
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