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Lady C , victim or victor ?
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lightdragon
27-11-2015
Before I start, don't get me wrong, I like LC and think she's a great campmate, although perhaps for all the wrong reasons.

However... for such an argumentative person she seems to have never learned how to debate properly, I honestly don't get how someone can be right and know they are yet throw away defending their position to constantly belittle the person that argues back. Now it looks like her giving back as good as she gets, but she started it.

The ganging up to say anything to her is hard to watch, okay you might not get on with her, but nobody seems to try to sit down with her one on one and discuss things like a normal person would. They just bark at her, and she barks at them.
Penfolds_place
27-11-2015
Originally Posted by lightdragon:
“Before I start, don't get me wrong, I like LC and think she's a great campmate, although perhaps for all the wrong reasons.

However... for such an argumentative person she seems to have never learned how to debate properly, I honestly don't get how someone can be right and know they are yet throw away defending their position to constantly belittle the person that argues back. Now it looks like her giving back as good as she gets, but she started it.

The ganging up to say anything to her is hard to watch, okay you might not get on with her, but nobody seems to try to sit down with her one on one and discuss things like a normal person would. They just bark at her, and she barks at them.”

I kind of wish she would take the moral high ground and stop with the insults. She's in the right a lot, but the point gets lost in the over the top insults. I guess from what I have heard on here it might be a reaction from her abusive upbringing and marriage.
lightdragon
27-11-2015
Originally Posted by Penfolds_place:
“I kind of wish she would take the moral high ground and stop with the insults. She's in the right a lot, but the point gets lost in the over the top insults. I guess from what I have heard on here it might be a reaction from her abusive upbringing and marriage.”

That's perhaps where a bit of self awareness would be a good thing. it's been pointed out to her that she does that, and if she explained to the others that she is overly defensive because of her past, she wouldn't even need to go into detail. Unfortunately it's probably past the point of no return, and it's now a battle for who can be the most bitter person in camp.
sueh21
27-11-2015
Originally Posted by Penfolds_place:
“I kind of wish she would take the moral high ground and stop with the insults. She's in the right a lot, but the point gets lost in the over the top insults. I guess from what I have heard on here it might be a reaction from her abusive upbringing and marriage.”

But she is 66! How long could you blame something on your upbringing and her marriage was 40 years ago. Just a nasty piece of work.
UnrealityTV
27-11-2015
Originally Posted by sueh21:
“But she is 66! How long could you blame something on your upbringing and her marriage was 40 years ago. Just a nasty piece of work.”

100% agree
Daisy450
27-11-2015
Originally Posted by sueh21:
“But she is 66! How long could you blame something on your upbringing and her marriage was 40 years ago. Just a nasty piece of work.”

Yes same for me. People have difficult childhoods (abuse, rape poverty etc) they deal with it and get on with their lives, Bad behaviour is just that, you can't blame everything on your past.
People also forget that she was incredibly privileged (her own words) AND relatively wealthy. I'm a bit sick of everyone blaming her "tough past" for her potty mouth.
vald
27-11-2015
I think she's been on the defence all of her life and she's unlikely to change now. Abused by her parents, bullied at an all boys school and used and abused by her husband. It's a shame she didn't get help when she was young enough for it to make a difference.
Mykey38
27-11-2015
She did at one point cut a rather lonely forlorn figure but TBH that is totally her fault. She has no empathy for anyone else in there with probably the exception of KD but if he ever crosses her he will be on the outside of her circle of trust.
She appears to seek argument where most people cannot be bothered - the T-shirt debacle last night was like something you would expect to see from a petulant 7 year old and by christ she must be hard to deal with on a daily basis in the confined space they are living in.
When they finally do snap like Yvette did you would think from some of the posts on here that she had committed an actual physical assault rather than telling her to shut up.
I do wonder how she will get on once Kieron and Chris are evicted as I am sure they will leave before her.
vald
27-11-2015
Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“She did at one point cut a rather lonely forlorn figure but TBH that is totally her fault. She has no empathy for anyone else in there with probably the exception of KD but if he ever crosses her he will be on the outside of her circle of trust.
She appears to seek argument where most people cannot be bothered - the T-shirt debacle last night was like something you would expect to see from a petulant 7 year old and by christ she must be hard to deal with on a daily basis in the confined space they are living in.
When they finally do snap like Yvette did you would think from some of the posts on here that she had committed an actual physical assault rather than telling her to shut up.
I do wonder how she will get on once Kieron and Chris are evicted as I am sure they will leave before her.”

If the bookies are right that's not looking likely ATM

http://www.oddschecker.com/tv/im-a-celebrity/winner
colinwill
27-11-2015
Originally Posted by sueh21:
“But she is 66! How long could you blame something on your upbringing and her marriage was 40 years ago. Just a nasty piece of work.”

To my knowledge Lady C doesn't blame anything on her upbringing or difficult life experiences. She seems quite happy to be the person she is.

Lady C reacts with verbal venom when she herself is under attack, and she will bring up an 'unjust' event the next day.....and that kicks off a brand new argument...but arguments take more than one person.....and I just think she tends to win her arguments, which I can imagine is intensely annoying to her 'opponents'.

She rarely gets uncontrollably angry, whereas most of her 'opponents' have gotton uncontrollably angry, and then behaved vindictively...in a kind of 'let's get her' kind of way.

That's my excuse for her behaviour, nothing to do with her background.
The Rhydler
27-11-2015
I think its the tone of her voice that grates on the ear-drum, even if what she's saying is right.

So when she is correcting people about the right way to cook something, you want go against what she's saying because of the way she's saying it, I know this to be true because it's what I do to my mum.

If Lady C just reined in the tone, then she'd have total right on her side.
Mykey38
27-11-2015
I do think that she has been "victimised" so much throughout her life that she will always react as the victim when maybe most people wouldnt either bat an eyelid (the t-shirts issue) or certainly wouldnt react as harshly as she has. I can understand that but she is makiing it a self fulfilling prophecy.
She is not likely to change at her age and would imagine she will leave the jungle in much the same mindset as when she went in.
Cats_Eyes
27-11-2015
Originally Posted by Spy queen:
“I think if any of you were in there with her you would feel the same as the others. She is not a true Aristocrat and has no breeding, only married to a Lord and that ended when they found out she had been brought up as a boy. I enjoyed her at first but now find her ill bred and stubborn. She would be better to listen to others, but when one is used to getting their own way and get it for peace and quiet, they continue to act that way. Selfish woman.”

Probably glad she is not because the "breeding" you refer to that a "true Aristocrat " has is likely to be based on inbreeding in the past.
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