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Old 04-03-2016, 18:57
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I don't think it would make a difference to the weather though lol.
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Old 04-03-2016, 21:32
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So you think that 5pm sunsets in March are acceptable?
Ok?

I don't think you realise how awful this region's sunsets are compared to the rest of the British Isles.
What do you mean 'acceptable'? Did you think everywhere would be exactly like your home town? Can you see how ridiculous you sound criticising somewhere for it's sunset... . Bizarre.
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Old 04-03-2016, 22:04
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He's lucky he's in Norfolk. Lowestoft is very depressing.
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Old 04-03-2016, 22:05
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What do you mean 'acceptable'? Did you think everywhere would be exactly like your home town? Can you see how ridiculous you sound criticising somewhere for it's sunset... . Bizarre.
*its arrrggghhh!
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Old 04-03-2016, 22:19
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What do you mean 'acceptable'? Did you think everywhere would be exactly like your home town? Can you see how ridiculous you sound criticising somewhere for it's sunset... . Bizarre.
Exactly. This whole thread is like the Twilight Zone.
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Old 04-03-2016, 22:48
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What do you mean 'acceptable'? Did you think everywhere would be exactly like your home town? Can you see how ridiculous you sound criticising somewhere for it's sunset... . Bizarre.
This is a thread discussing daylength. If you don't like it leave.
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Old 04-03-2016, 23:23
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This is a thread discussing daylength. If you don't like it leave.
Lol. What a sasspot.
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Old 04-03-2016, 23:31
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This is a thread discussing daylength. If you don't like it leave.
So I'm guessing your ban taught you nothing about being rude to other posters. As you were told then, it is not up to you to dictate who can and can't post.
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Old 04-03-2016, 23:32
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Well you were rude to me so i'm not exactly going to treat you with any respect am I?
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Old 04-03-2016, 23:35
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Well you were rude to me so i'm not exactly going to treat you with any respect am I? So many adults whine and moan about the mood and response of teenagers/20 year olds but never stop and think about the way that they treat us.
I asked you a genuine question. You seem to expect everywhere to be like your home town which is bizarre.

I'm not suggesting you have to respect me but telling posters to do one seems to be a bit of a refrain on your part and it is not how the board works.
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Old 04-03-2016, 23:40
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No I don't expect anywhere to be like my hometown, i'm the one travelling across the country here anyway.

This is a discussion thread about daylight hours, if you don't like it you really should leave. It's not hard for anyone to look at average daylight hours and see that 5pm sunsets are below the norm throughout the world, compare sunsets to places like Moscow, Winnipeg etc, they're pretty much all after 6pm now.

Also I must say that your attacks at me and my interests are rather childish, there is nothing bizare or weird about showing an interest in the sun, infact it shows me up as a rather intelligent being.
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Old 04-03-2016, 23:43
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No I don't expect anywhere to be like my hometown, i'm the one travelling across the country here anyway.

This is a discussion thread about daylight hours, if you don't like it you really should leave. It's not hard for anyone to look at average daylight hours and see that 5pm sunsets are below the norm throughout the world, compare sunsets to places like Moscow, Winnipeg etc, they're pretty much all after 6pm now.

Also I must say that your attacks at me and my interests are rather childish, there is nothing bizare or weird about showing an interest in the sun, infact it shows me up as a rather intelligent being.
5pm sunsets are below the norm. Lol. I nearly spat out my tea. Lol. you're wonderful entertainment. Lol.
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Old 04-03-2016, 23:57
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I wonder what sunset in somewhere like Urumqi is? Just the place for people who like late sunsets I will wager.

Just as I thought. Sunrise/Sunset in Urumqi
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Old 05-03-2016, 00:05
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I wonder what sunset in somewhere like Urumqi is? Just the place for people who like late sunsets I will wager.

Just as I thought. Sunrise/Sunset in Urumqi
Lol. The reason for that is that China only has one Timezone, when it should have around 6. Those communists lol.
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Old 05-03-2016, 00:10
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I thought hours of light and darkness were related to Latitude not Longitude?
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Old 05-03-2016, 00:10
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Lol. The reason for that is that China only has one Timezone, when it should have around 6. Those communists lol.
The very first post I ever made on an internet message board was about time in China.
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Old 05-03-2016, 00:13
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I thought hours of light and darkness were related to Latitude not Longitude?
Yes but China imposes its own rules. One time zone for the whole of China.

It makes the debate about England and CET seem a bit petty.
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Old 05-03-2016, 00:13
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5pm sunsets are below the norm. Lol. I nearly spat out my tea. Lol. you're wonderful entertainment. Lol.
You must lack any sort of common sense, for if you did, it would not take you too long to work out that yes 5pm sunsets in March are a tad early.

Sunsets at 50N + in March

West to East
1. Moscow - 6:13 pm
2. Novosibirsk - 6:12pm
3. kemerovo - 6:00pm
4. Krasnoyarsk - 6:31pm
5. Unalaska - 7:50pm
6. Edmonton - 6:18pm
7. Winnipeg - 6:16pm
8. Labrador City - 6:14pm

So yes Londonderry has a similar sunset time to these locations, average seems to be around 6:10pm for 50N +.
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Old 05-03-2016, 00:25
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Red sky at night...
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Old 05-03-2016, 00:32
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You must lack any sort of common sense, for if you did, it would not take you too long to work out that yes 5pm sunsets in March are a tad early.

Sunsets at 50N + in March

West to East
1. Moscow - 6:13 pm
2. Novosibirsk - 6:12pm
3. kemerovo - 6:00pm
4. Krasnoyarsk - 6:31pm
5. Unalaska - 7:50pm
6. Edmonton - 6:18pm
7. Winnipeg - 6:16pm
8. Labrador City - 6:14pm

So yes Londonderry has a similar sunset time to these locations, average seems to be around 6:10pm for 50N +.
Are all those countries at the same longitude and latitude?
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Old 05-03-2016, 19:02
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7pm and there are still a couple of spots of light in the sky.
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Old 05-03-2016, 22:37
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Big Brothers Complaints about early sunsets in East Anglia are quite ridiculous and hilarious.

I've not visited this thread for a while (even though I started this whole discussion in the first place way back in November!). I actually can't believe just how long this thread has become. I wonder if Big Bro will still be complaing in June that it's still going dark at 9 when he wants it to be light till 1am just so he can have a midsummers BBQ and house party while everyone's already asleep!

Lets See... Where do I start.....


When I watch the BBC News from London in the summer it is dark by 9 and we still have the sun up for another 90 minutes.
BBC News is at 10PM! And you say you get 90 extra minutes evening sun??? Surely you don't have the sun up until 11:30 do you?

Yeah but it still doesn't change the fact that South Eastern England has appalling sunset times in the summer.

When I lived in Northern Ireland I was not in support of having UK on CET timezone but I think it would be good if England was moved to CET, they need it!!!
Sunset times in June in London are still after 9pm so I wouldn't call that appalling. As for going on CET, you also have to consider the rest of England, as most of it is both further west and/or north of East Anglia and London. I live just north of Manchester. If you drew a line on a map between your home in Londonderry and your other place in East Anglia my location would be roughly half way between the two. Our sunset time is around 9:30 in June (it actually gets as late as 9:45pm but as I live in a hilly area the sun disappears 15-25 minutes sooner). In June it's still light at 10pm and dusk doesn't fall until 10:30pm. If we were on CET it would still be light after 11pm when everyone's in bed!!



It's bright till 10? REALLY?

We went in June at the solstice and the sunset was at 8:20 at the latest. That was in Murcia on GMT +2, their natural timezone is GMT so if they did not have double DST their sunset would be 6:20pm!

A full three hours before here!
Get your facts right please! The sun sets at 9:30pm in June, same time as many places in Britain: http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/spain...th=6&year=2016


oh silly me, I must've been using our timezone. Either way it still gets darker alot earlier than Northern Ireland.

They are on our latitude so they should be in our timezone. Really sunset is 8:31pm.
You realise your mistake, then you scrap that and STILL say that the sunset in Spain is too early, because it's really only 8:30pm in our timezone. Sorry, but what the clock says in a particular country is the real time. You wouldn't go to New York and say, "oh, the clock says 6am but in England it's currently 11am therefore sunset is really too late" would you?

You say that England should be on CET to make the sunsets later, yet say that Spain should be on our existing timezone (GMT/BST) even though that would actually make the sunsets earlier. What???


No it's not. It's dark most of the show.

Sunset Londonderry: 10:14pm
Civil twilight Londonderry: 11:12pm

Sunset London: 9:20pm
Civil twilight London: 10:10pm

I use the civil twilight because that is the time that it gets dark up here. Where I'm from it doesn't get dark at sunset, it stays bright (like daylight not dusk) for a LONG time after.
If the Show lasts from 9-10pm, then at least half the show will be in broad daylight and the rest of the show it will just be starting to go dark.

And Civil Twlight doesn't last much longer in your place than London. It's 50 minutes in London and just 8 minutes extra in Londonderry. Yes, it doesn't get dark straight after sunset in Summer, but not just in your location!

You seem to think that your daylight hours are invincible and any place further South is inadequate like the Government decides the daylight hours. You say England should change it's timezone to CET yet Spain should switch to ours! Perhaps we should make it so we have a different timezone for every region of the country (or better yet every town!) so that everywhere has the same sunset times as you. There, are you happy now?

Look at this clip, there's still some light in the sky after 10pm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV90Udma3oE

It doesn't matter though does it? I've already proven that England has shit daylight hours compared to Scotland and Ireland THROUGHOUT the year!
Throughout the year? What are you talking about?? England is east of Ireland and South of Scotland, so it gets earlier sunrises than Ireland and actually gets more daylight than Scotland and your place in the Winter and less in the Summer. Whats wrong about that?

In Manchester sunrise was at 6:47am and sunset was 5:55pm today. Pretty good use of the daylight for the daylight hours we currently have. You also get some daylight before and after that as well! Dawn was breaking at 6am when I woke up this morning and there was still a few bits of light in the sky at 7pm!

Who wants sunset at 9:20 when you can have it at 10:20? Not me anyway! I love my 10pm walks and wouldn't trade them for 9pm walks.
Those who want to get some sleep do!

Well it's still very much sun down here before 5:20.. It's pathetic, never seen anything like it.

(it was bright at 6am this morning though)
Well, get up earlier to compensate and use some of that precious daylight! Just set your alarm 30-60 minutes earlier. Pretty simple really.



Maybe the government should look at changing DST dates to early March?

Either way never expected to see days end this early in March.
It's now getting lovely and light at 7am. Why punish the early risers by plunging them into darkness again? That would not go down well in England, especially more western areas such as Liverpool and Cornwall. You can have your way in October just before the clocks go back when it's still going dark at 6 but it's not getting light till 8am (or more like 9am where you live!).

So you think a 5:30pm sunset in March - a spring month is appropriate?
Yes, I do. March is still a Winter month for the most part. Spring does not start until March 21st. We've just had heavy snow yesterday in my neck of the woods, call that Spring?

I don't see why East Anglia can't use CET. Sunset before 4pm in the middle of winter is atrocious.

Oh yeah and by the way, I already have 9am sunrises.
Oh, and 9am sunrises aren't? A 9am sunrise on a cold winters morning must be horrible. Getting to School/College/Work and it's still dark. I do feel sorry for you.

So you think that 5pm sunsets in March are acceptable?
Ok?

I don't think you realise how awful this region's sunsets are compared to the rest of the British Isles.
I'll ask David Cameron to put the clocks in East Anglia forward an hour at your request. I'm sure that will go down just fine.

It's not hard for anyone to look at average daylight hours and see that 5pm sunsets are below the norm throughout the world, compare sunsets to places like Moscow, Winnipeg etc, they're pretty much all after 6pm now.
Gosh, you're not keeping up down there. Sunsets still before 6pm, that will not do. Would you like us to loan you some more sun? You can pay it back in the Summer.
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Old 05-03-2016, 22:52
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Civil twilight already ends at around 11:20 in County Londonderry in June so I don't see the big deal here. Why would changing for CET for England be so damaging?

And Murcia lies at 2 degrees West so it is in the GMT timezone, sunset in the GMT timezone there would be 7:30pm in June, it is only 9:30pm because they have a timezone which is hours ahead of their natural one. I am right, their sunset is hours before mines.

Get your facts right about twilight times. London does not have a longer twilight than County Londonderry, please read this document. You will see that County Londonderry has Nautical twilight all night long in summer - this does not happen in pretty much all of England. So yes daylight does last alot longer there.

http://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy...-twilight.html

'Nautical twilight occurs when the geometrical center of the Sun is between 6 degrees and 12 degrees below the horizon. This twilight period is less bright than civil twilight and artificial light is generally required for outdoor activities.'
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Old 05-03-2016, 23:05
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If we look at Civil Twilight times for County Londonderry and London in June we can see the following:

County Londonderry
Civil Twilight Starts: 3:52am
Civil Twilight Ends: 11:12pm
Civil Twilight length: 19 hours and 20 minutes

London
Civil Twilight Starts: 3:56am
Civili Twilight Ends: 10:10pm
Civil Twilight length : 18 hours and 14 minutes

So the twilight is actually an hour longer, it's not 8 minutes longer..

The day length is also 50 minutes longer.
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Old 05-03-2016, 23:22
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Civil twilight already ends at around 11:20 in County Londonderry in June so I don't see the big deal here. Why would changing for CET for England be so damaging?
You may like twilight till that time but the fact is that many people have to get up early for work, so go to bed between 10-11pm. If it got dark in England that late many would still be going to bed in daylight. And lets not forget all those schoolkids who have to go to bed in broad daylight already in mid-summer. I remember when I was a kid and I had to be in bed for 9pm, I was like "why do I have to go to sleep before the sun". I actually wished then that the sunset would be earlier. I don't think it would be fair to make people go to bed when it's still light outside just so someone night owl golf fanatic can hit balls till nearly midnight. You need it to go dark before you go to bed anyways otherwise you won't feel tired.

And Murcia lies at 2 degrees West so it is in the GMT timezone, sunset in the GMT timezone there would be 7:30pm in June, it is only 9:30pm because they have a timezone which is hours ahead of their natural one. I am right, their sunset is hours before mines.
OK, artificially Spain has the same sunset times as England in summer even though they technically have less daylight. They pay for this by taking a couple of hours daylight off the morning. However, if England was on CET, and Ireland was on BST, like you suggested, you'd still be boasting you had the latest sunset time.



Get your facts right about twilight times. London does not have a longer twilight than County Londonderry, please read this document. You will see that County Londonderry has Nautical twilight all night long in summer - this does not happen in pretty much all of England. So yes daylight does last alot longer there.
I know about all the different types of twilight. I never said that London gets longer twilight periods than Londonderry. I was just comparing the two examples you gave of Civil twilight and Sunset times in both locations and saying how both in Summer have a similar amount of Civil Twilight. The way you were saying it Northern Ireland takes ages to go dark whereas London instantly goes dark the moment the sun goes down. If we were comparing Iceland with Egypt you may have been right. You overly Exaggerated again.

And where I live, in June, Nautical Twilight ends at around midnight and starts again around 2:30am. We have astro twilight then. During that period, on a clear night, the sky has a noticeably blue tinge then - like it's not quite completely dark. Not as long days as Londonderry but a much longer period of nautical twilight than London.
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