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The kids go to school in the dark anyway so that's that argument out the window.
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I really hope geography does not form part of your alleged syllabus.
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Apparently the British standard time experiment only lasted three years and ended with a free vote in december 1970 which voted to revert back to what is common place now.
If we voted to stay in the EU why cant we adopt CET. It would be great to have it still light at midnight. Though it would mean darker mornings Sunrise if we was on CET 21 jun 0540 sunset 2233 21 jul 0607 sunset 2214 21 aug 0657 sunset 2117 21 sep 0750 sunset 2005 21 oct 0842 sunset 1856 21 nov 0839 sunset 1702 21 dec 0915 sunset 1651 21 jan 0903 sunset 1730 21 feb 0809 sunset 1829 21 mar 0705 sunset 1920 21 apr 0653 sunset 2115 21 may 0559 sunset 2205 The darker mornings would longer but that is offset by it being light later. The summer season would last longer as well. Good for the economy and more tourism |
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Edmonton, Boston (USA) Winnipeg, Labrador and everywhere else in North America will be putting their clocks forward 2 weeks before us. These such places will be suffer again from darkness again 7.00am to 8.00am their times for an extra 2 weeks compared to Europe.
They won’t be happy. |
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Still 7:30am sunrises in some places in Ireland when clocks go forward.
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The kids go to school in the dark anyway so that's that argument out the window.
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The darker mornings would longer but that is offset by it being light later. The summer season would last longer as well. Good for the economy and more tourism
Just because it is light does not make it attractive to be outside. Even if more money was spent on tourism, does not mean overall there would be more money spent in the economy, bearing in mind it was recently reported that savings levels are the lowest for some significant period of time. |
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Still 7:30am sunrises in some places in Ireland when clocks go forward.
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Still 8am sunrises in some places in Ireland when clocks go forward.
If I was living where you are I'd be plunged back into darkness when the clocks go forward - not nice when you are just getting used to the lighter mornings and you struggle to get out of bed like me. Guess your sunrise/sunset times aren't so perfect after all. ![]() ![]() If I was living where you were I'd probably want GMT all year (or at least until May anyway). |
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Well that's what I said, we don't need dst in Northern Ireland.
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And your point is? Or was that just a factoid?
http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/...pse6teyflb.png |
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Throw this question into the mix. Is it really necessary for the UK to go through the ritual of changing the clocks in the 21st century. Shouldnt we have referendum so that the people are given the opportunity to decide seeing as our MPs are inept at deciding on our behalf what timezone we should be in.
If were to keep BST all year the argument would be the kids will be going to school in the dark. But that would depend on weather conditions. Changing the clocks is like canute trying to stop the tide. Edmonton in canada sunrise and sunset are half later than the UK yet they are on the same latitude as us In summer it's different though - sunrise would occur before 4am in most places in the British Iles, while the sun would set as early as 8:30pm in many places. So we advance the clocks an hour to take an hour off the morning when most people are in bed, to an hour in the evening when most people are still awake. If we were to adopt BST all year round it would mean sunrises after 9am for practically everywhere in Britain in winter. It would also mean virtually everyone would be getting up in darkness for most of the winter. And as most people hate getting up in the dark, I can't see it having much popularity. |
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Well when I went to school it was dark in December right from I got up to when I arrived. The sun did not rise to we were well into our first period.
It's not true to say that it's bright in the British Isles before 9 now as there are a few places with sunrises past 9 already. If it was bright at 8am (as in sun up) i'd have be very shocked. |
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Well that's what I said, we don't need dst in Northern Ireland.
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You said I'm stupid when it comes to Geography. (Obviously not, got a high B at A Level). Well here is a timezone map to show you the that you are wrong and that there is quite a spread of daylength in the British Isles.
http://i1382.photobucket.com/albums/...pse6teyflb.png I did not say "you are stupid" so do not attribute incorrect statements to me. |
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No you are confused. It should be obvious to you looking at the map that sunsets in Eastern England are quite a bit earlier than the rest of the British Isles.
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No you are confused. It should be obvious to you looking at the map that sunsets in Eastern England are quite a bit earlier than the rest of the British Isles.
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Oh give me head peace.
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Oh give me head peace.
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Yeah that's true but the sun runs from East to West, not North to South.
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I don't think you understand the correlation between timezones and day-length
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No I don't think you do.
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Apparently the British standard time experiment only lasted three years and ended with a free vote in december 1970 which voted to revert back to what is common place now.
If we voted to stay in the EU why cant we adopt CET. It would be great to have it still light at midnight. Though it would mean darker mornings Sunrise if we was on CET 21 jun 0540 sunset 2233 21 jul 0607 sunset 2214 21 aug 0657 sunset 2117 21 sep 0750 sunset 2005 21 oct 0842 sunset 1856 21 nov 0839 sunset 1702 21 dec 0915 sunset 1651 21 jan 0903 sunset 1730 21 feb 0809 sunset 1829 21 mar 0705 sunset 1920 21 apr 0653 sunset 2115 21 may 0559 sunset 2205 The darker mornings would longer but that is offset by it being light later. The summer season would last longer as well. Good for the economy and more tourism |
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Well when I went to school it was dark in December right from I got up to when I arrived. The sun did not rise to we were well into our first period.
It's not true to say that it's bright in the British Isles before 9 now as there are a few places with sunrises past 9 already. If it was bright at 8am (as in sun up) i'd have be very shocked. |
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There's still a slither of light in the sky towards the west where I am and we are now into astro twilight. It was like this last night too till like 8 O'clock. There has been lingering twilight just above the hills where the sun has set. Usually all traces of light disappear by the end of nautical twilight, but last night the sky was noticeably brighter in the direction of where the sun had set. It was like 8pm last night before all the western sky was inky black. I noticed the sky had a slight blue tinge overhead. It's like summer nights where the sky never quite gets completely dark.
Astro Twilight currently ends at 8pm for my location so that seems right. http://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/uk/clitheroe From May-end of July we never get true darkness. We have astro twilight for a couple of hours then it's just semi darkness for the rest of the "night". |
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