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How do you work that one out ? I thought he made a good point. Benefits are too low if we offered an amount for losing weight then it's a win win situation.
Fairbrass is a gym-bunny (I believe that's the phrase) and his comments clearly emanate from that somewhat biased stance. |
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How do you work that one out ? I thought he made a good point. Benefits are too low if we offered an amount for losing weight then it's a win win situation.
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[quote=Straker;84808377]He proposed a tax-rebate for those who joined a gym and presumably maintained some government mandated body-fat percentage target. If monitoring and weighing people like cattle doesn't sound a bit off to you then I'm afraid we're not only on a different page but reading entirely different books!
Fairbrass is a gym-bunny (I believe that's the phrase) and his comments clearly emanate from that somewhat biased stance.[/QUOTE Well I'm obese myself but I think if I was on benefit I would accept a medical or going to a slimming club as a way to earn more as a good idea, I know when I was briefly on benefit I would have happily done anything they suggested to get back into work. |
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Even in the dark days of Thatcherism, benefits weren't as low as they are now and there were a lot less obese people, waddling around.
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I've never heard of Amanda Lamb before but I'm extremely impressed with her. I'd love to hear her on Question Time.
As for Matthew Wright, whether you love him or hate him, the entire character of this very successful show is down to him. When Richard Madely stands in it always loses some of its edge and becomes a bit ITV. |
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Well I'm obese myself but I think if I was on benefit I would accept a medical or going to a slimming club as a way to earn more as a good idea, I know when I was briefly on benefit I would have happily done anything they suggested to get back into work.
Remove food as the primary focus through the day and you will grow to appreciate the feelings of hunger that come before meal-times more than you do the constantly full ones that are a result of always grazing. |
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Exterior incentives don't work. The desire to lose weight has to come from within. For anyone that can manage it I would recommend a couple of months sustained daily physical labour (help a friend out in their moving/house clearance business if you can or something similar but don't bother with running as it's boring as hell and you'll pack it in quickly) followed by a modified diet (your stomach will shrink as a result of both) that you can keep to and the weight will fall off. If you've made a commitment to someone else then you're more likely to stick to it than if you just try to do solitary exercise.
Remove food as the primary focus through the day and you will grow to appreciate the feelings of hunger that come before meal-times more than you do the constantly full ones that are a result of always grazing. I lost over five stones a couple of years ago put it back on quicker than I lost it. Hated being slimmer really hated it. You have to accept some people will never be slim but offering incentives won't make them fatter so why not try it. Taking away medical help and benefits won't help IMO. |
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Wright and the panel made a complete balls up of one of the topics.
It was supposed to be about fat people getting a form of sickness benefit due to them being fat and being medically unable to work, and being pressured by the government to have to take part on programs to lose weight. Whether you agree with that or not is not the issue, you can have an opinion either way. No, the problem is that when Wright and the panel started discussing it they were talking about it in terms of overweight people being targeted as if they were on jobseekers allowance, and why should they be targeted over everybody else. All of them, Wrighty and all the panel, conveniently ignored the fact that the topic was about overweight people getting extra sickness benefits because they are fat...not just because they are receiving benefit. Not the same thing at all. The actual response, should have been a correction to make them all focus on the nature of the topic in hand. Which absolutely no one gave. Which would have been that all other people couldn't be targeted for receiving extra ESA or DLA for being overweight.....because they aren't overweight and don't get any benefit for that reason. Perhaps Matthew Wright can tell me what extra benefits people with tattoos or piercings get? Maybe if they received ESA for an ailment due to those reasons then perhaps we could look at their claims too? The entire topic was misrepresented, and I don't know if it was purposely done so because it was an agenda driven piece, or whether it was simple neglect because their emotions had interfered with their cognitive abilities. One caller even phoned up to say that MOST fat people were fat because they have a medical condition and thus legitimately deserved that benefit. Not some, but MOST. That wasn't even questioned or scrutinised by anyone on the panel, it was just taken as an assumed fact. Terrible show. It tends to be like a hive mind on most days, A hive mind which conforms itself to the thickest person on the panel on any given day. It's only worth watching when they have a guest on who expresses a dissenting view, even if I disagree with that view. Because at least that's the only way that a decent conversation can be generated from the topics. It serves no practical purpose for the panel and Wright to all sing from the same hymn sheet. What's the point? |
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You Iive in PRIMROSE HILL you revolting, disingenuous little sh!thead!!!!
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Wrighty letting us know he lives in Camden again, "one of the most ethnically diverse areas of the country" apparently. I'm sure that's news to the residents of Primrose Hill.
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Body-fascist Fairbrass thinks gym members should get a tax-rebate for being less of a burden on the NHS. And how's that different simply from taxing overweight people for being overweight Dick? It isn't.
... Wrighty letting the last caller know that TWS is a fascist dictatorship and he gets to ask/change the questions while the callers are just fodder for his sermons. Needless to say he gave that one the bum's rush too.... That's something else that didn't make sense. Fairbrass said that people should be incentivised with a carrot rather than a stick...okay, that sounds fair enough so far. No argument from me there. But he then went on to say that if people lose weight then they should receive more benefit. What? So people who lose weight should be entitled to more benefit than people who have always tried to look after themselves and be healthy to start with? How is that even logical? It's not even fair. It effectively discriminates against people who have been doing the right thing all along. The only incentive it gives is to actually make people forcefeed themselves so that they can be classed as overweight and will be entitled to more benefits in the future when they agree to take part in a weight loss programme. Don't forget folks, these celebrities are the very people who the establishment wheel out to preach to us every time there's an election for something, because they're more qualified and more intelligent when it comes to telling us how we ought to live our lives and telling us how we should think. |
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He proposed a tax-rebate for those who joined a gym and presumably maintained some government mandated body-fat percentage target. If monitoring and weighing people like cattle doesn't sound a bit off to you then I'm afraid we're not only on a different page but reading entirely different books!
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Well I'm obese myself but I think if I was on benefit I would accept a medical or going to a slimming club as a way to earn more as a good idea, I know when I was briefly on benefit I would have happily done anything they suggested to get back into work.
It's like that old Chris Rock joke about people boasting about not being in jail and expecting to be credited for it, when it should be seen that not going to jail is normal. And as I said in the above post, what's to prevent people from abusing this system anyway? If I saw somebody getting more benefits than me for losing weight I might think "Fukc it, I may as well put on weight and apply for the same scheme too if it means that I get more benefit" And for how long would someone receive this benefit? Until they get to a 'normal' weight? Isn't this an incentive to try to not lose too much weight too quickly and to take as long as it's humanly possibly to stay just on the 'wrong' side of obese? Surely it would encourage people to be perpetually obese wouldn't it? Then imagine that you've lost the required weight and the government believe that it's time to stop your extra money. Then it'd be a topic on The Wright Stuff where Wright and his panel act angry and outraged that people's benefits have been cut. The reward for losing weight should be the achievement of losing the weight. Your own health. If that isn't reward enough then I don't see how a financial incentive from the government would work. You'd already have a financial reward of some sort due to the reduced cost on food bills each week. But as I say, the self-fulfillment and improvement to your life would be the real reward. |
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Primrose Hill is in the borough of Camden. As far as i'm aware Primrose Hill is one of many areas of London which in the past was a dump but had a makeover and now very affluent. So on this occasion Wrighty was right. He just conveniently didn't add, "but i live in the posh part".
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Primrose Hill is in the borough of Camden. As far as i'm aware Primrose Hill is one of many areas of London which in the past was a dump but had a makeover and now very affluent. So on this occasion Wrighty was right. He just conveniently didn't add, "but i live in the posh part".
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Nowadays it is one of the most exclusive and expensive residential areas in London and is home to many prominent residents....
....and Wrighty.
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Missed the start but he appears to be on another skive and The Witterer is left in charge.
FGS let Storm have a go - She's more than capable and moreso than Penny bloody Smith. |
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Not a big fan of Aled Jones, but I did like the sound of big Aled singing with little Aled, although, "little Aled" sounds like the name he gives a certain body part.
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Not a fan of Penny Smith either.
She'd be hilarious if she was even 10% as funny as she thinks she is. |
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Dreadful list of topics today as well AND Nadine Dorries plugging yet another book (where does she find the time alongside never being off the telly and all while nobly serving the public - 48 hours in every day for Nadine!) have given me all the reasons I need to turn off. Even Storm can't keep me watching today.
Fairbrass is just a nauseating, reactionary, self-promoting, self-adoring bore. Why doesn't he realise he's just a has-been? |
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Obesity is getting worse, I've been obese my entire adult life and have gone from being only one in a crowd to actually feeling slimmer than many !
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Does Penny Smith think she's doing a stand up gig? Someone needs to tell her she's not funny!
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How the hell has Nadine Dorres written 7 books in two years and be a full time MP??
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How the hell has Nadine Dorres written 7 books in two years and be a full time MP??
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I don't mean to be rude but why have you remained obese all your life?
What in that would have been better if I had been starving myself ? I'm fat my family don't love me any less for it, I support myself and between us as a couple we've helped other people. The obsession with weight puzzles me as I am happy always have been really. |
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Primrose Hill is in the borough of Camden. As far as i'm aware Primrose Hill is one of many areas of London which in the past was a dump but had a makeover and now very affluent. So on this occasion Wrighty was right. He just conveniently didn't add, "but i live in the posh part".
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That's something else that didn't make sense. Fairbrass said that people should be incentivised with a carrot rather than a stick...okay, that sounds fair enough so far. No argument from me there.
But he then went on to say that if people lose weight then they should receive more benefit. What? So people who lose weight should be entitled to more benefit than people who have always tried to look after themselves and be healthy to start with? How is that even logical? It's not even fair. It effectively discriminates against people who have been doing the right thing all along. The only incentive it gives is to actually make people forcefeed themselves so that they can be classed as overweight and will be entitled to more benefits in the future when they agree to take part in a weight loss programme. Don't forget folks, these celebrities are the very people who the establishment wheel out to preach to us every time there's an election for something, because they're more qualified and more intelligent when it comes to telling us how we ought to live our lives and telling us how we should think. I have yet to meet a perfect person so almost everyone could qualify for the extra help. Benefits are too low is the premise I start from so allow people to get credits to build up their income. |
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Had to switch off today as I can't listen to wittering Penny Smith.
Matthew has norovirus apparently, |
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