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Old 13-12-2015, 22:53
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It wasn't pleasant!! About 30 seconds into each dance I had to physically stop myself from moving on to the next and watch it all the way to the end. Did it really cos I can't remember any of her dances before the paso.
I think somewhere around jive/Blackpool be realised that technically she was towards the bottom of the pack and he had option a) teach her the dances and go out 3 or do weeks earlier or option b) take the fact she was fearless and could sell a dance and amp it up to the max. He went option b - and got the extra weeks, so ...
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Old 13-12-2015, 22:59
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I think she didn't improve much - she started well above the average but was overtaken by the end. Shame really.
I would agree with that- I feel like, 12 weeks on, there is still a lot of unfulfilled dancing potential with Anita. Gleb tested her to some limits- acrobatic ones mainly- just not her dancing ones.

Still, I feel like there was a friendship there in that end dance, which I hadn't felt for a couple of weeks. She genuinely seems to have enjoyed the experience so *shrugs*
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:01
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I really think its the latter although I accept I'm in the minority!

The hysteria around Anita's exit is both scary and hilarious... I mean do people actually understand this whole dancing business? I'm shocked how many people think she should be a finalist because her lifts and tricks and Gleb's weird 'specials' are more entertaining than Katie's ballroom dances. May as well just scrap the whole dancing bit and just chuck celebrities around for a few hours eh? Fair enough if that entertains you, but don't call it dancing and certainly don't call it a 'salsa' or 'argentine tango'.


It would be like the BBC have Strictly Come Gymnastics and us wanting Katie to stay because she did an amazeballs waltz, not the parallel bars. 🙄

You have to do the recognisable dance steps or they might as well all do generic disco/hip hop/dad dancing and Jeremy could have won the whole thing 🙄🙄🙄

Kevin is as bad, but he's cute enough to stick enough basic technique into a routine, even if it's only 10 or 15 seconds to make Len happy. He also picks and chooses his times to do it, he knows judges are more lenient in theme weeks.


But then there's always been arguments on here about what is better - an average routine filled with technical content, or a stylish routine that has absolutely no technique. The cleverer pros get the balance right.
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:19
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I really think its the latter although I accept I'm in the minority!

The hysteria around Anita's exit is both scary and hilarious... I mean do people actually understand this whole dancing business? I'm shocked how many people think she should be a finalist because her lifts and tricks and Gleb's weird 'specials' are more entertaining than Katie's ballroom dances. May as well just scrap the whole dancing bit and just chuck celebrities around for a few hours eh? Fair enough if that entertains you, but don't call it dancing and certainly don't call it a 'salsa' or 'argentine tango'.
I am with you. I don't think she is a natural dancer, so all improvement was done in the first weeks.

It would be like the BBC have Strictly Come Gymnastics and us wanting Katie to stay because she did an amazeballs waltz, not the parallel bars. 🙄

You have to do the recognisable dance steps or they might as well all do generic disco/hip hop/dad dancing and Jeremy could have won the whole thing 🙄🙄🙄

Kevin is as bad, but he's cute enough to stick enough basic technique into a routine, even if it's only 10 or 15 seconds to make Len happy. He also picks and chooses his times to do it, he knows judges are more lenient in theme weeks.


But then there's always been arguments on here about what is better - an average routine filled with technical content, or a stylish routine that has absolutely no technique. The cleverer pros get the balance right.
Kevin is actually really smart and lucky!
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:23
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Kevin is a clever cookie. He's worked out just how close to get to the line, what resonates with the audience and how to keep Len onside. That's some tightrope.
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:32
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Kevin is a clever cookie. He's worked out just how close to get to the line, what resonates with the audience and how to keep Len onside. That's some tightrope.


But what would he have done with Carol Kirkwood or Kirstie Gallagher. He always gets someone with dance experience? He's never had to polish a turd.

Plus, I can't believe some of us got swept away at her AS when it's him that made her wear fugly dresses for the whole series. That dance was the least deserving of 10s in whole series, including the PP charleston and I liked her QS in Blackpool.
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:33
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I would agree with that- I feel like, 12 weeks on, there is still a lot of unfulfilled dancing potential with Anita. Gleb tested her to some limits- acrobatic ones mainly- just not her dancing ones.
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Still, I feel like there was a friendship there in that end dance, which I hadn't felt for a couple of weeks. She genuinely seems to have enjoyed the experience so *shrugs*
Actually if you listen to her last speech she loved the SCD experience, dresses, training, Gleb's choreography, I am not that sure she actually enjoyed this dancing lark. Some people don't, but it was a shame that she never got 'it'.

Thinking about Gleb, he reminds me of Icaris, he has the hubris in spades and he never really got to the sun at all, because he thought we would be dazzled by his smoke and mirrors,

Oh Gleb, as well as an entertainment show it is at its heart a dancing show.

Not a people flinging about show.

So now I have the word for Gleb , hubris.
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:40
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It was higher up, though - it was heart position not ... lady bits ... low ...
It looked like he was conducting an exorcism. Either that or removing her uterus due to severe period pain. Not attractive either way.

True.
That's the dance I do in my head, though . Just not with Kev ... or Anton

Really didn't like either of Anita's dances. Len was scrabbling around for something positive and the best he could manage was 'athletic' 😂
He was right though. She's very athletic but not particularly graceful or musical. She's physically very capable but I don't get the impression she has much of an affinity for dancing, which is presumably why she's never really done it even though her mum is a dance teacher. Meh. It's fair enough, not everyone can love dance, but it's definitely part of why I don't especially enjoy watching her dance.

There have been 3 weeks where I've thought Katie has had the perfect song with the perfect dance, and I'm going to be WOWed. Blackpool, last week and tonight. She hasn't done it once.
Same. I want Katie to be better than she actually is when it comes to ballroom.

That said I'm starting to seriously unappreciate the constant comments of "great legs!" "you look beautiful!" "your figure is amazing in that dress!" etc. that Katie gets in lieu of actual comments on her dancing. It's more than a little patronising and I'm pretty sure that Katie is sharp enough to hear it. "You look ever so pretty and what more could you ask for!" Ugh.

That was not a good semi final. I'm still unappreciating Helen's exit (Jay and Georgia can keep their ballroom dances; I want to see Helen dance everyone else's) and to be honest I really think that 5 couples for a semi-final and 4 for a final is too many. There aren't enough good dancers in any one series to have that many in the final weeks if you're also going to push the message that the standard is as high as ever! Remember series 5 semi-final with Alesha, Matt and Gethin? Remember when the only truly bad dance in the semi-final was Lisa Snowdon's jive? Or the semi final where the gulf between Ricky, Ali and Chris was huge because Ricky and Ali were both genuinely good dancers who were performing well, whereas in this series Chris would fit just fine with the general standard of the semi final?
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:44
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But what would he have done with Carol Kirkwood or Kirstie Gallagher. He always gets someone with dance experience? He's never had to polish a turd.

Plus, I can't believe some of us got swept away at her AS when it's him that made her wear fugly dresses for the whole series. That dance was the least deserving of 10s in whole series, including the PP charleston and I liked her QS in Blackpool.
Oh, for sure.
I think he is helped by being on the not-so-tall side as well. Kellie is only 5'1" and doesn't look like a bit dropped off so they much be fairly evenly matched when she is in heels. I think his partner choices this year would come down to Kellie or Georgia?
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:50
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Oh, for sure.
I think he is helped by being on the not-so-tall side as well. Kellie is only 5'1" and doesn't look like a bit dropped off so they much be fairly evenly matched when she is in heels. I think his partner choices this year would come down to Kellie or Georgia?


Anita is ickle isn't she?
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:51
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Oh, for sure.
I think he is helped by being on the not-so-tall side as well. Kellie is only 5'1" and doesn't look like a bit dropped off so they much be fairly evenly matched when she is in heels. I think his partner choices this year would come down to Kellie or Georgia?
Or Anita all 5 foot 2 of Anita
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:52
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He was right though. She's very athletic but not particularly graceful or musical. She's physically very capable but I don't get the impression she has much of an affinity for dancing, which is presumably why she's never really done it even though her mum is a dance teacher. Meh. It's fair enough, not everyone can love dance, but it's definitely part of why I don't especially enjoy watching her dance.
I think I said somewhere that she has learnt to dance, but she's not a dancer - or as per the other half - you can teach a man to swim. Don't make him a fish
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:54
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Or Anita all 5 foot 2 of Anita
Crumbs, sorry Anita
So, of his 3 potential partners - all 3 made the semi final!
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Old 13-12-2015, 23:59
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So many salsa steps? There were salsa steps in that...that...that...Debbie Does Dallas Cheerleader routine?
Well, there were *steps* - occasionally - when Gleb had to put her down in between 'specials'
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Old 14-12-2015, 00:16
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Same. I want Katie to be better than she actually is when it comes to ballroom.

That said I'm starting to seriously unappreciate the constant comments of "great legs!" "you look beautiful!" "your figure is amazing in that dress!" etc. that Katie gets in lieu of actual comments on her dancing. It's more than a little patronising and I'm pretty sure that Katie is sharp enough to hear it. "You look ever so pretty and what more could you ask for!" Ugh.

That was not a good semi final. I'm still unappreciating Helen's exit (Jay and Georgia can keep their ballroom dances; I want to see Helen dance everyone else's) and to be honest I really think that 5 couples for a semi-final and 4 for a final is too many. There aren't enough good dancers in any one series to have that many in the final weeks if you're also going to push the message that the standard is as high as ever! Remember series 5 semi-final with Alesha, Matt and Gethin? Remember when the only truly bad dance in the semi-final was Lisa Snowdon's jive? Or the semi final where the gulf between Ricky, Ali and Chris was huge because Ricky and Ali were both genuinely good dancers who were performing well, whereas in this series Chris would fit just fine with the general standard of the semi final?
Snipped a little but loved some of your points here.

1. Katie's ballroom has been such a disappointment to me. I loved her tango and her VW, but the rest has been crap. I think Anton has misjudged a lot of the choreo - the QS was way too difficult, and after that has been dull. And given that she's been pulled to the final by dint of Anton's First Final and therefore her ballroom, it's even more disappointing.

2. The comments which all focus on her legs etc are both patronising by reducing her down to her looks and a fairly obvious get-out of actually critiquing her dancing.

3. There are too many, and Katie is going to be massively beneath the level of the other finalists (as Mark was last year) due to having 4. I can't blame the pros for trying to get one to a decent standard and working hard on the other dance when there's a dance off at stake. It's unfortunate that both Jay and Georgia lost training time this week as a bit more practise would have helped that VW immensely, and AT could have been a better fit than cha cha.
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Old 14-12-2015, 01:11
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Snipped a little but loved some of your points here.

1. Katie's ballroom has been such a disappointment to me. I loved her tango and her VW, but the rest has been crap. I think Anton has misjudged a lot of the choreo - the QS was way too difficult, and after that has been dull. And given that she's been pulled to the final by dint of Anton's First Final and therefore her ballroom, it's even more disappointing.

2. The comments which all focus on her legs etc are both patronising by reducing her down to her looks and a fairly obvious get-out of actually critiquing her dancing.

3. There are too many, and Katie is going to be massively beneath the level of the other finalists (as Mark was last year) due to having 4. I can't blame the pros for trying to get one to a decent standard and working hard on the other dance when there's a dance off at stake. It's unfortunate that both Jay and Georgia lost training time this week as a bit more practise would have helped that VW immensely, and AT could have been a better fit than cha cha.
1. Completely agree. Every week I expect her to do well finally, and every week (since the VW) it's a disappointment.

2. They are patronising but at least she has got those nice comments!

3. Completely agree. But then it would have been the case with Anita too. Though in her case the performances would have been more wow!
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Old 14-12-2015, 07:32
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I thought that Anita's last dance clearly showed how she feels about dancing: she looked quite reluctant and certainly didn't really pick up Glen's cues as to what to do. Love Anita, but she's better off to steer well clear of dancing, methinks
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Old 14-12-2015, 08:28
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Am quite grumpy that there's a new 'wuzzrobbed' train chugging along and I don't want to be on it.
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Old 14-12-2015, 08:32
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Am quite grumpy that there's a new 'wuzzrobbed' train chugging along and I don't want to be on it.
Whereas I'm quite enjoying pointing out that the stations on that particular line are Bittertown, Delusion Junction and Them's the Rules-on-Sea.
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Old 14-12-2015, 08:35
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Whereas I'm quite enjoying pointing out that the stations on that particular line are Bittertown, Delusion Junction and Them's the Rules-on-Sea.
Shouldn't you be in the kitchen filling the teapot?
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Old 14-12-2015, 08:41
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Shouldn't you be in the kitchen filling the teapot?
One day in the not too distant future, there'll be a headline: "woman runs amok in Whittards with baseball bat. Dozens of teapots feared dead. No milk jugs hurt."
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Old 14-12-2015, 08:44
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One day in the not too distant future, there'll be a headline: "woman runs amok in Whittards with baseball bat. Dozens of teapots feared dead. No milk jugs hurt."
I think you need a nice calming cup of tea
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Old 14-12-2015, 08:44
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Snipped a little but loved some of your points here.

1. Katie's ballroom has been such a disappointment to me. I loved her tango and her VW, but the rest has been crap. I think Anton has misjudged a lot of the choreo - the QS was way too difficult, and after that has been dull. And given that she's been pulled to the final by dint of Anton's First Final and therefore her ballroom, it's even more disappointing.

2. The comments which all focus on her legs etc are both patronising by reducing her down to her looks and a fairly obvious get-out of actually critiquing her dancing.

3. There are too many, and Katie is going to be massively beneath the level of the other finalists (as Mark was last year) due to having 4. I can't blame the pros for trying to get one to a decent standard and working hard on the other dance when there's a dance off at stake. It's unfortunate that both Jay and Georgia lost training time this week as a bit more practise would have helped that VW immensely, and AT could have been a better fit than cha cha.
Yup, it's been a massive disappointment since the VW. I think the QS not going well, Anton being over ambitious and Katie not able to do it, has knocked both their confidence, and now his routines are dull, and Katie seems very tentative doing them, a million miles away from that lovely, confident tango and the gorgeous VW. Blackpool especially I thought was going to knock my socks off, but it was very 'meh'.
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Old 14-12-2015, 08:50
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Whereas I'm quite enjoying pointing out that the stations on that particular line are Bittertown, Delusion Junction and Them's the Rules-on-Sea.
With a trip to the sidings of Austinwuzrobbed robbed for explanation of how doing two equal dances in a dance off week is never going to end well (although to be fair to Anton I think that was a decision made for him rather than a deliberate Brendan choice)
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Old 14-12-2015, 08:50
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One day in the not too distant future, there'll be a headline: "woman runs amok in Whittards with baseball bat. Dozens of teapots feared dead. No milk jugs hurt."

Won't someone think of the sugar bowls
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