I think the opposite.

Look how the forum responded to him at first. We had the 'arrogant' threads. But then it turns out that dancing moves him. Quick reshuffle. Now we get the 'he's faking it' threads. He has been over-brash and over-weepy in a few short weeks. Both, of course, thoroughly reprehensible.

It seems likeliest (doing me sums) that he's got an emotional streak that he (tries to) keep under wraps.

So it's the out-of-control that characterises him for me rather than a constructed personality...

I like the guy - but he is doing everything that I least like in contestants.

I started off thinking Danny would be the definitive bot - but I find his rather tongue in cheekness amusing.

I'll have to look again at Danny. It might well be a reaction against him because of his name. My favourite male being on this planet was called Danny and I miss him. This imposter might be getting unfair rebound

(((Ah, hunni))) That would do it, and is a totally acceptable reason.

It's still a prejudice. Ore is just lucky I don't personally know any other Ores

I think I was one of the people taking issue with the 'arrogant' and 'brash' posts (because I don't think he is), and I have no issue with a man shedding tears, but there's something about the way he expresses things. It's difficult to explain, but it's like when I catch a few minutes of a 'scripted reality'(sic) programme or a soap and I think "But nobody talks like that in real life". I feel he's constructed a script for himself, and dialogue isn't his forte.

I find that I think "nah, he's not as annoying as I remember". Then I see him again, and whoops, he's every bit as irritating and then some. And that's not including the irritant that appears with him.

The way he speaks just makes me think Children's Presenter. i know he only did Newsround, like serious children stuff, but I just feel, even in his sports presenting he talks as if he is talking to children Hes a big kid.

I do think that putting a kids presenter with Joanne was always going to be this - but over the last couple of weeks even Joanne has looked slightly irritated. When the person who willingly spends time with Russell Grant looks like they are thumbing the mental yellow pages for a locksmith - dial it back a notch.

Another Dr Hammy then. The beauty of JJ's ever increasing eye twitches were the only positives of her run

He's believing his own hype and that of the judges, plus all the talk of 'that jive' - have we had the Dr Hammy prayer hands yet? If not, I fear it's only a matter of time.

I want to call him Uriah - because 'e's ever so 'umble.

BIB- yes, a couple of weeks back. Dr Hammy prayer hands along with Mark Wright tears and PDuh 'umbleness is not a great combo for me. Still, on the plus side he won't be doing columns where he imagines Jwann's sex life!

May I delicately unappreciate Russell Grant please. I never saw him on SCD but he did not endear himself to me tonight. A rude little man.

Forgive me, this reads like self-persuasion.

A lot of the contestants do prayer hands. A lot get emotional. A lot of them care.

It's as if it's been decided in previous years that there are people who are intolerable, and now they're grouped together in streams, like Homeric epithets, to apply to this year's supposed-to-be intolerable figure. Hammy prayer hands and Wright umbleness. We'll sew Ore into that costume to let everyone know in unsubtle code that he's this year's P'duh. (I defended him last year too because the weight of dislike seemed entirely disproportionate to anything he said or did.)

It all seems pre-fabricated.

Doesn't it get boring never letting people exist as individual human beings? This year's so-and-so is nothing. It's nobody.

I'm aware that I sound fed up and that posting isn't a good idea. But what the hell? The airlessness of it bothers me.

Give him time - there'll be an OK spread after the final where he sobs his way through an interview saying how tough it was to be in such close proximity to a woman who wasn't his wife and how he had to control his sexual urges because, let's face it, Jwann is the (least) sexiest woman on the planet and every time they danced it was a huge feat of self-control and his wife was so forgiving and blah, blah, blah....

The photos will be of him clasping his wife's hands while gazing adoringly into her eyes with a picture of the glitterball / Jwann as Marilyn in the background.

No need to delicately unappreciate him - let go and fully unapreciate - it's the only way.

Elaine Paige on ITT -

That is all.

Ore has obviously attended the two-week "Presenter's Charm Seminar," where they are taught how to comport themselves in situations like being on ITT, so they come across as, vulnerable, lovable, humble, yet extremely likable.

Unfortunately, Naga was on holiday those two weeks and missed it.

PS, ignore me! I get hobby horseish. I've already been thrown out of an App thread this year for defending one of the people whose App Thread it was.

Who gets thrown out of an App Thread?

I did.

#Proud

For me, Ore has sewn himself into that costume. He is showing all the things I dislike in contestant. So while more than one may do prayer hands and more than one may cry and more than one may be 'umble and more than one be a tad over invested and more than one have their pro considering a new phone number ... when it all comes together in one celeb, it's just too much,

I liked Ore at the start and he hasn't completely lost me yet, but he needs to take a step back. He can't be this invested all the way through or he will burn out faster than Norman Deadnan.

My hero/ine
That's awesome work.

Little?

I'm the same though. From bits I'd seen of him before I thought he seemed like harmless fun and didn't get the hate. Tonight I saw a man who seemed to actually think he could dance, and was sneering at Ed Balls as if he was the Brad Pitt of the Dance World when we all know that title is already taken!

Her face was ... Interesting

Russell seems to think he's an actual dancer rather than someone who clambered out of Naga's clamshell and went out the week he was fired out a cannon..

You forget the similarity between Jwann and Ore's wife...


It's an unappreciation thread. I unappreciate. I find it throws greater contrast into my appreciation. If my unappreciation coincides with that of others, fun times. If not, I don't care. Now, after 14 series and what must be over 200 celebs, if I find certain characteristics are annoying, I find them annoying. Different people can share habits and characteristics - they are still individuals, and I can still dislike them individually - or like them. I also reserve the right to find them annoying in some and not in others. I'm contrary like that.

But... but... but... is this him or an unreal version of him? The Frankensteinian Ham-Wright probably was never meant to live. Halloween should do for it. Meanwhile the real Ore might still be gifted some fabulously surprising choreo from Jo that doesn't involve crab claws, a pole or a pushbike. He will probably cry. And then he'll retreat on ITT into presenter-mode because who wants to cry on TV? Buuuut... Here's why I like him. He's the beginner bloke who really could get to the final.

He's my ideal Strictly candidate for all sorts of reasons that include being unpredictable and emotional.

I don't feel to myself like someone who doesn't get people emotionally, but, like Tejas, I'm not seeing the Ore you're seeing. He seems genuine to me.

(But then I like Jo too! )