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This is Most Definitely Not An Appreciation Thread - Part 23
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Monaogg
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“The only person that got higher marks was Louise, and even on this board, which is very agin Louise (indeed, anything partnered with a Clifton) and very pro Danny she's pulling in comparable %s on the "Who Danced It Best This Week" poll on the front page to him. Everyone else got low 30s with the judges, which is what you'd expect the middling dancers to get at this point. If anything I think Cloudia was a mite underscored.

The only person I think is being consistantly overmarked (other than maybe Ore) (alright definitely Ore) is Ed. An 8 for that cha cha at Hallowe'en was, to be honest, the most ludicrous overmarking I've seen on this show since Len started giving Widdy 7s just for turning up. But it's a fun feelgood storyline so I'm fine with them doing it because we've all seen what happens when they give the crummy "comedy contestants" the marks they deserve compared to everyone else.”

Lots of tied scores helps Ed more than anyone else, as it leaves less of a hill to climb in public support.
perdiedumpling
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“Absolutely. James would have no compunction in spilling the beans, if there were beans to spill.
I suspect that there are a couple of celebs who only agree to sign up on condition that they get their preferred Professional (ie Widdecombe insisted on Anton), but for the majority the launch show IS when they are told their partnerships.
Some may have inklings depending on how group dances have gone, and there are some pairings that HAVE to happen for height reasons.
but it is not until the launch show that they are certain

It amazes me that people continue to insist otherwise”

I agree. I wonder how often celebs join the show, hoping to be paired with Pro X, and get Pro Y?

Had no internet yesterday catching up now...

Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“I'm prepared for it to be a Danny train that stops at Cloudier station. I'd be happy for either of them to win it - they're both excellent dancers but get ignored for some reason by the judges.”

I favour Danny to Cloudier, but a large part is down to the music choices. That jive was pretty fab - hampered maybe a little by a hangover from last week, but despite that fab.

Daisy - how unfortunate that they did that bicycling move after this week's Apprentice... It was very sweet and very Daisy.

Originally Posted by aggs:
“It's a bit meh - but also uncomfortable at the same time ”

There just didn't seem like a lot of salsa going on in there At least the marks weren't stupidly high, but they talked it up massively.

Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I have danced salsa for 20 years and have taken classes from here to Havana and from some internationally renowned teachers and nobody, but nobody ever mentioned figure of eight hips.

The hip movement comes from pressing into the floor with the ball of the foot, skimming with the heel and then pushing back out from the floor with the ball again.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR”

*pats back gingerly* It's always worth ignoring what they say about salsa and AT. You know that saying about better to say nothing and look stupid than open your mouth and remove all doubt? That's the judges and those two dances (and some of the others too...)

Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“I thought that was pretty good. I don't usually like quicksteps but that was pretty fun. He's very light on his feet and he doesn't actually miss any steps, which is better than most of the comedy acts we get.”

I wasn't sure about the break for comedy half way through, but I guess his stamina isn't up to full QS all the way through. At least that meant he could keep up fairly well.

Originally Posted by Kmc1978:
“The only person who's really come close to Pasha's vt acting genius is Judy Murray- "I feel... sparkly" *wipes tear* 😂”

Oh man, can you imagine if Judy had been paired with Pasha?!

Originally Posted by allgrownup:
“I believe we've just witnessed Joe Varney's "starfish"”



Originally Posted by allgrownup:
“Bruno not even hiding his bias <3

She could sit down, have a cup of tea and he'd score it a 9 ”

I can understand when Bruno gets a fit and yells out "IS DIVA TIME", he can't control himself, but surely Laura is one of the blander contestants that have activated Bruno's blinkers?

Originally Posted by allgrownup:
“That was lovely (Wasn't it, Oksana?) ”

Yes, it was. (Other than the face on Oksana's dress that kept looking at me...)

Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“They always are. Strictly ATs seem obsessed with lamp posts, hat stands and chairs”

I'm just waiting for the AT which starts with the gaucho leaning on the lamppost, enters the bordello through saloon doors, hat on hat stand, sits at table and actually exchanges money...

Originally Posted by smude:
“Poor Greg following that”

There was no AT, wouldn't be hard...

Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Yep. *Shrugs* To be fair I have seen worse ATs on Strictly but where was the basic?”

Poses, lunges, and some really ungainly ganchos which looked like she was trying to air out her gusset does not an AT make. If Greg's rumba could be shredded for lack of content, so should that. Who choreographed it?

Originally Posted by allgrownup:
“Full on BABY WARZ ENGAGE!!! <3”

It was so blatant <3

Originally Posted by Mrs Spratt:
“I was riveted by his arse, I don't think it was sticking out as much this week”

Ha, I did the same!

Originally Posted by Kmc1978:
“Credit to AJ (or outside choreographers if they're involved) but all of their routines actually look like the dance they're meant to, despite the hideously inappropriate music.”

Spot on. I like AJ more as the show goes on; not only have they been shafted by music but her technique (which must be due even in part to AJ) is pretty good.

Originally Posted by allgrownup:
“How lovely, three ties on the leaderboard. If it weren't for Daisy having landed there before, I would say ZOMG SHOCKBOOT INCOMING! ”

Won't take much for Ed to escape, which means a shock is definite.

Originally Posted by Phalaris:
“Much unappreciating that pink frock Cloudier ended up in. Do they have a job lot? I could have sworn Laura and Giovanni got inflicted with something similar for their quickstep, although possibly not as eye-searing.”

Just how often has Claudier been put in pink? Enough!

Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“She'd never make a living as a Lady of the Night in Buenos Aires though, not with the modesty panel and sensible skirt.”



Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“I get the feeling Danny will do a Tom Chambers and have a veeeeeeeery long West End career out of this. His sense of rhythm and timing is brilliant, and he looks so good when he's doing it. He absolutely gives me the Gene Kelly vibe as well - a beautiful dancer who looks effortless but sells every step.”

How lucky is he to have been paired with Oti though? She is on another level with her choreo to anyone else this year - what a CV she's building for him!

Originally Posted by Nakatomi:
“Do you know what annoys me most about TTF? That at the start he actually stands still and counts Louise in so that he can do his stupid little kick. Someone on here mentioned it and ever since it's made my teeth itch!”

Next week, can someone stand behind them and kick him in the arse just as he does that? Please?

Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“I think it's a presumption that they haven't expected it though. All of Ed, Rinder and Greg have been built up well by the show. Ed gets constant good performance slots and loads of publicity and the judges (and Katya) are playing it just right to have him be a Comedy Contestant everyone gets behind rather than one everyone has spats over. Greg has had pretty good storylining week on week (a sympathetic injury porn VT here, a "Craig criticises Natalie, Craig praises Natalie" one-two storyline there). Rinder has done comedy routines to build up his fanbase and is now "showing he can really dance" with a quickstep aimed directly at the show's older or Purity Of Dahnce voters.

Compare this with a "chaser" or "trier" like, say Sunetra or a Hairy Dave or Thom Evans for whom they had very little to say and who just kind of existed.

Claudia I'm mixed on - they've given her a pro who's pretty much anti-charismatic, which isn't helping, but she has had the Pimp Slot twice and the "y'know, for the kids?" songchoices feel like an earnest but misguided attempt at branding her to make her memorable.”

You're right, they have played a lot of it well. Ed's routines have largely stayed the right side of comedy. JR has had some very broad comedy with props, but got the 'straight' dance that many have asked for. Greg's run of Latin has ended and here comes the ballroom which we can expect to be much better. Now, arguably Daisy has been a bit one-note, but then she has been in the dance off twice. Laura's also a bit iffy, story-wise, but how much of that is due to her ankle?

At the other end, I dislike the insistence on a Danny vs Ore storyline. It does neither of them any favours. Louise and Claudier are swimming in the slipstream of that story - I really disliked that AT, and C's music choices are just bizarre at this stage. I find it odd that they have pimp slotted her twice, on some slightly questionable dances, and didn't pimp the hell out of her Charleston though?
Wiskas2
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Lots of tied scores helps Ed more than anyone else, as it leaves less of a hill to climb in public support.”

I'm afraid I read that as 'public transport'. Puts a whole other slant on it!
bendymixer
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Lots of tied scores helps Ed more than anyone else, as it leaves less of a hill to climb in public support.”

my biggest bug bear is the way the bbc deal with tied scores

the bbc way
1. Louise and Kevin: 39 (9 Judges Points)
2. Danny and Oti: 38 (8)
3. Daisy and Aljaz: 34 (7)
=. Ore and Joanne: 34 (7)
5. Claudia and AJ: 33 (6)
=. Judge Rinder and Oksana: 33 (6)
7. Greg and Natalie: 32 (5)
=. Laura and Giovanni: 32 (5)
9. Ed and Katya: 27 (4)


How it should be done
1. Louise and Kevin: 39 (9 Judges Points)
2. Danny and Oti: 38 (8)
3. Daisy and Aljaz: 34 (7)
=. Ore and Joanne: 34 (7)
5. Claudia and AJ: 33 (5)
=. Judge Rinder and Oksana: 33 (5)
7. Greg and Natalie: 32 (3)
=. Laura and Giovanni: 32 (3)
9. Ed and Katya: 27 (1)

In competition if there is a tied position eg 2nd then the next place called is 4th
aggs
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Phalaris:
“Looking back to last year, weren't we down to three men right about now - Peter, Jay and Jeremy?

Admittedly there is no clear Jay among the remaining women, but that's not to say one of them won't astound us all and win the thing.”

My spidey senses say Cloudia could nip in and take it and that there will be some sort of power voting situation in manner of series 5 round about quarter/semi final time. If any of the celebs feel like a nice little sit down mid routine - that would be the time
aggs
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“my biggest bug bear is the way the bbc deal with tied scores

the bbc way
1. Louise and Kevin: 39 (9 Judges Points)
2. Danny and Oti: 38 (8)
3. Daisy and Aljaz: 34 (7)
=. Ore and Joanne: 34 (7)
5. Claudia and AJ: 33 (6)
=. Judge Rinder and Oksana: 33 (6)
7. Greg and Natalie: 32 (5)
=. Laura and Giovanni: 32 (5)
9. Ed and Katya: 27 (4)


How it should be done
1. Louise and Kevin: 39 (9 Judges Points)
2. Danny and Oti: 38 (8)
3. Daisy and Aljaz: 34 (7)
=. Ore and Joanne: 34 (7)
5. Claudia and AJ: 33 (5)
=. Judge Rinder and Oksana: 33 (5)
7. Greg and Natalie: 32 (3)
=. Laura and Giovanni: 32 (3)
9. Ed and Katya: 27 (1)

In competition if there is a tied position eg 2nd then the next place called is 4th”

Yes, but the whole debacle of the series 6 semi final put pay to that

I just think the judges should be made to break the ties and rank the tied couples (I seem to remember them having to do it in a Christmas Special once?) so that each couple has a separate place on the leaderboard.

You are paid, and paid quite nicely, to Judge - so judge and break the ties ... and if you can't, then don't get grumpy when the public vote has to do it for you.
durnovarian
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“my biggest bug bear is the way the bbc deal with tied scores

the bbc way
1. Louise and Kevin: 39 (9 Judges Points)
2. Danny and Oti: 38 (8)
3. Daisy and Aljaz: 34 (7)
=. Ore and Joanne: 34 (7)
5. Claudia and AJ: 33 (6)
=. Judge Rinder and Oksana: 33 (6)
7. Greg and Natalie: 32 (5)
=. Laura and Giovanni: 32 (5)
9. Ed and Katya: 27 (4)


How it should be done
1. Louise and Kevin: 39 (9 Judges Points)
2. Danny and Oti: 38 (8)
3. Daisy and Aljaz: 34 (7)
=. Ore and Joanne: 34 (7)
5. Claudia and AJ: 33 (5)
=. Judge Rinder and Oksana: 33 (5)
7. Greg and Natalie: 32 (3)
=. Laura and Giovanni: 32 (3)
9. Ed and Katya: 27 (1)

In competition if there is a tied position eg 2nd then the next place called is 4th”

That's how it was done until the infamous semi with Smug Vicar, NotClooney and Rachbot (I measure my declining investment in the show by the declining quality of nicknames!). After the judges made it impossible for Tom Chambers to avoid the dance-off by tying the others, they changed to the current system.

My own preference would be that if there are ties on the final scoreboard, the judges should individually and without conferring rank the dancers, then redo the scoreboard. If there are still ties, the judges agree a rank and/or head judge decides and/or the studio audience decides like they do for Christmas specials. Anything to stop ties basically!
durnovarian
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Yes, but the whole debacle of the series 6 semi final put pay to that

I just think the judges should be made to break the ties and rank the tied couples (I seem to remember them having to do it in a Christmas Special once?) so that each couple has a separate place on the leaderboard.

You are paid, and paid quite nicely, to Judge - so judge and break the ties ... and if you can't, then don't get grumpy when the public vote has to do it for you.”

Snap!😁
Monkseal
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Yes, but the whole debacle of the series 6 semi final put pay to that

I just think the judges should be made to break the ties and rank the tied couples (I seem to remember them having to do it in a Christmas Special once?) so that each couple has a separate place on the leaderboard.”

They did. It was...the Christmas Special immediately after Series 6. Kelly, Jill, Alesha and Rachel all got 39 so Len had to put them in order - Alesha first, then Jill, then Rachel, then Kelly. Then Jill won and Kelly came second, raising the very real possibility that Kelly had in fact somehow won a public vote.
An Thropologist
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“My spidey senses say Cloudia could nip in and take it and that there will be some sort of power voting situation in manner of series 5 round about quarter/semi final time. If any of the celebs feel like a nice little sit down mid routine - that would be the time ”

Are you watching the right channel Aggs? That sounds more like the US election situation you have in mind.
aggs
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Are you watching the right channel Aggs? That sounds more like the US election situation you have in mind. ”


Oh, don't - I get the wibbles just thinking about that 😱
tortoiseperson
06-11-2016
Unappreciating ^! I'm dreading waking up on the morning of the US election result
aggs
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“They did. It was...the Christmas Special immediately after Series 6. Kelly, Jill, Alesha and Rachel all got 39 so Len had to put them in order - Alesha first, then Jill, then Rachel, then Kelly. Then Jill won and Kelly came second, raising the very real possibility that Kelly had in fact somehow won a public vote.”

Thank you.
Didn't realise it was as long ago as that!
Littlegreen42
06-11-2016
I bloody knew they would start pushing for Ed to make it to Blackpool. Arrrrgh
bargeeee
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“
I just think the judges should be made to break the ties and rank the tied couples (I seem to remember them having to do it in a Christmas Special once?) so that each couple has a separate place on the leaderboard.

You are paid, and paid quite nicely, to Judge - so judge and break the ties ... and if you can't, then don't get grumpy when the public vote has to do it for you.”

Yes, this. All these ties are ridiculous.
Phalaris
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“My spidey senses say Cloudia could nip in and take it and that there will be some sort of power voting situation in manner of series 5 round about quarter/semi final time. If any of the celebs feel like a nice little sit down mid routine - that would be the time ”

I've only been watching since Abbey's year and Monkseal only goes back to Series 6, so I'm curious to know what happened?

Reading back catalogue SCD is the only thing that is keeping me slightly able to cope with a world that might genuinely be prepared to elect Donald Trump.

Be nice if Cloudier can nip in. Not sure how they'll manage an AT for her and AJ though given that the story so far is that they're both cute 10 year olds. There may have to be some enforced growing up before that happens.
bendymixer
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Phalaris:
“I've only been watching since Abbey's year and Monkseal only goes back to Series 6, so I'm curious to know what happened?

Reading back catalogue SCD is the only thing that is keeping me slightly able to cope with a world that might genuinely be prepared to elect Donald Trump.

Be nice if Cloudier can nip in. Not sure how they'll manage an AT for her and AJ though given that the story so far is that they're both cute 10 year olds. There may have to be some enforced growing up before that happens.”

think either AT or rumba can be a problem for then height difference more than anything else
Gill P
06-11-2016
Another way to avoid too many ties is for the judges to be able to award half marks. For example 8.5, 9.5 etc. They would need more paddles or an electronic system.
Phalaris
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“think either AT or rumba can be a problem for then height difference more than anything else”

I had forgotten about the rumba. How could the height difference be overcome, out of interest? It must be a problem that dancers other than Cloudier and AJ face.
Wiskas2
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Phalaris:
“I had forgotten about the rumba. How could the height difference be overcome, out of interest? It must be a problem that dancers other than Cloudier and AJ face.”

Perhaps Cloudier could borrow Brenda's hover board.
aggs
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Phalaris:
“I've only been watching since Abbey's year and Monkseal only goes back to Series 6, so I'm curious to know what happened?

Reading back catalogue SCD is the only thing that is keeping me slightly able to cope with a world that might genuinely be prepared to elect Donald Trump.

Be nice if Cloudier can nip in. Not sure how they'll manage an AT for her and AJ though given that the story so far is that they're both cute 10 year olds. There may have to be some enforced growing up before that happens.”

Ooh, how long have you got . Flexes fingers.
Grab a chaise lounge and a glass of your choice young padawan while we begin your history lesson

Long, long ago in a studio far, far away ...
Main players:
Tom Chambers (Smug vicar)
Rachel Stevens (Rachbot)
Lisa Snowden (NotClooney)
Austen Healy (Wuz Robbed).

Same as this series with a tactical withdrawal from John Sargent*, it meant the later stages were a bit light, especially with the dance off. Rachel and Lisa were judges favourites, but less so with the public Quarter final, two dance week. Brendan plays a tactical card and concentrates on the waltz with Lisa, scoring 40. Bottom 2 are Austen and Lisa with Austen having tomdance off against a 40 scoring Waltz, so Wuz Robbed, then and forever.

Fast forward a week to a 3 person semi final - with the dance off still a thing going to happen. The judges manage to score Lisa and Rachel the same meaning:
Rachel = 3 points
Lisa = 3 points
Tom = 1 point.

Bearing in mind from the minute the phone lines opened the line was 'vote to save your favourite from the dance off' with those numbers that couldn't happen. Even if Tom topped the public vote (which he fairly obviously was) he couldn't avoid the dance off. Coupled with that, it was also fairly clear that in a dance off - he would go. Much stressing at Strictly Towers and consulting of the famous Big Book Of Strictly Rules Written On The Hoof resulted in no elimination and all the votes and scores being rolled over to the final. As a result of that, the tied points have been weighted towards the couple at the bottom of the board rather than the top.

So we had a 3 couple final and the gloriousness of Bacofoil.

(* it should be mentioned that the JS situation had led to a very grumpy series before that. While he was in, he was getting flak for getting the public vote and going through while better dancers went home. When he pulled out he got flak for not respecting the public vote. James Jordan held both of these views simultaneously on a couple of special edition ITT's which have yet to be beaten)
Phalaris
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“Perhaps Cloudier could borrow Brenda's hover board.”

A truly lovely thought which nearly made me choke on my coffee.
Phalaris
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Ooh, how long have you got . Flexes fingers.
Grab a chaise lounge and a glass of your choice young padawan while we begin your history lesson

Long, long ago in a studio far, far away ...
Main players:
Tom Chambers (Smug vicar)
Rachel Stevens (Rachbot)
Lisa Snowden (NotClooney)
Austen Healy (Wuz Robbed).

... trimmed for length... and the gloriousness of Bacofoil.”

A glorious summary for which I thank you That is hilarious. I can imagine the backstage ructions when that particular bit of nonsense flared up. Who broke the glad tidings that Tom could not possibly avoid the DO I wonder?
coppertop1
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“Another way to avoid too many ties is for the judges to be able to award half marks. For example 8.5, 9.5 etc. They would need more paddles or an electronic system.”

Well l they wouldn't need to if they actually allocated marks out of 10 but 3 of the judges appear to give 5 or 6 for just turning up.
Muggsy
06-11-2016
Originally Posted by aggs:
“(* it should be mentioned that the JS situation had led to a very grumpy series before that. While he was in, he was getting flak for getting the public vote and going through while better dancers went home. When he pulled out he got flak for not respecting the public vote. James Jordan held both of these views simultaneously on a couple of special edition ITT's which have yet to be beaten)”

That was comedy gold and I still at the memory.
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