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Old 11-11-2016, 11:17
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I think the issue is more that there are two likely scenarios for the semi-final vote - Alesha got a bottom 2 bounce and pulled through "fair and square", or Gethin continued to dominate the public vote and actually got eliminated despite winning it. The idea of the latter, understandably, irritated the hell out of Gethin fans at the time, and if it happened post Tom Chambers rather than before, I don't think it would have stood. Matt getting 40 for the waltz was a bit of agita, but Matt still would have been ahead of Gethin on the leaderboard even if it had "only" got 36.

Ore vs Daisy does seem the most likely Bottom 2, because it's the easiest route for them to get Daisy (who is irrelevant at this point having had her personal "victory" last week just like Anastacia and Laura both had theirs the weeks before they left) out and still keep the competition as a whole feeling open. Ore doesn't seem the type to get "blokerumba" pity votes but I think he can still win a dance-off over Daisy's latin.
You've got Ore doing a - in Jwann's words - a 'nice' rhumba against an AS from Twimsy with all the Bassey bells and whistles, a rather good looking VW from Cloudia and the Greg/Ed/Rob vote hoovers.

I think I'm right that a rhumba has never scored 40 and that the highest blokerhumba has been 39 for Jay and Matt (if a Christmas special counts)? Other than that it's Colin with all the ... Len comments ... that generated?

I think he can stil win a dance off - I just fear what 2 bottom 2's on the trot will do to Jwann for the backing dancer propfest that is Blackpool!
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Old 11-11-2016, 11:17
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Yes not usually a conspiracy theorist but what are the PTB playng at this week? Danny has been shafted and so has Ore. Can you imagine if they both end up in the bottom two, the forum will explode with the racism card.
Oh please... Danny's fanbase would vote for him if he just simply sat still for 2 minutes.
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Old 11-11-2016, 11:47
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You've got Ore doing a - in Jwann's words - a 'nice' rhumba against an AS from Twimsy with all the Bassey bells and whistles, a rather good looking VW from Cloudia and the Greg/Ed/Rob vote hoovers.

I think I'm right that a rhumba has never scored 40 and that the highest blokerhumba has been 39 for Jay and Matt (if a Christmas special counts)? Other than that it's Colin with all the ... Len comments ... that generated?

I think he can stil win a dance off - I just fear what 2 bottom 2's on the trot will do to Jwann for the backing dancer propfest that is Blackpool!
I think it's probably sensible for Joanne to go for "nice" for a rumba with Danny getting "Heard It Through The Grapevine". It may be a rubbish choice for an Argentine Tango but it's an excellent choice in terms of sex appeal generally. Try and go for dirty filthy rumba with Ore up against that and he's going to come up looking inadequate by comparison. It just depends how she sells the idea - Brenda refusing to do "dirty filthy rumba" for Sophie came across as someone protecting his partner and arguing for a different and proper interpretation of the dance. Joanne so far (in fact since she started) has come across a little prudish and overly self-effacing in terms of sex appeal.
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Old 11-11-2016, 11:48
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Alisey, Edya and Natareg?
Are these new pieces in the IKEA store?
Now you come to mention it...
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Old 11-11-2016, 11:53
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I think it's probably sensible for Joanne to go for "nice" for a rumba with Danny getting "Heard It Through The Grapevine". It may be a rubbish choice for an Argentine Tango but it's an excellent choice in terms of sex appeal generally. Try and go for dirty filthy rumba with Ore up against that and he's going to come up looking inadequate by comparison. It just depends how she sells the idea - Brenda refusing to do "dirty filthy rumba" for Sophie came across as someone protecting his partner and arguing for a different and proper interpretation of the dance. Joanne so far (in fact since she started) has come across a little prudish and overly self-effacing in terms of sex appeal.
That's a very good point. If she can come up with something wistful and "we so nearly made it but it just got away from us" it could work well. It could play to their slight awkwardness together and obvious reluctance to play the romance card. It doesn't seem to be quite Jo's style based on known form, but you never do know.
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Old 11-11-2016, 12:35
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I'm not sure whether to ask this in here or the Ballroom and Latin dancers thread but... Ian mentioned that Danny needed stillness to create light and shade in the routine. Is this something he can execute whatever or is it down to cheoreography to give him that opportunity? I thought the latter but Ian mentioned it yesterday so I wondered if a celebrity can do something to instigate that flow of movement?

Regarding Doti and Jore - my biggest concern is they both have relatively slow dances. The last time that happened, in week five when Doti had the Rumba and Jore the Waltz, it was a pretty dull show overall. Especially when you add into it this time that those with the fast dances aren't the most adept at them in Alisey, Edya and Natareg; all the accomplished dancers except for Alisey have ballroom or slow latin.

We might be relying on Gangnam Style to save the show!
That's actually a really good point - giving arguably the two best dancers on the show slow numbers made for a boring show last time. Even Claudia has VW tomorrow which I think will be lovely, but is unlikely to be a "wow" dance in the way that say a Charleston would be.

The more I think about it, the more I think Ed has already picked his seat on the Blackpool bus.
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Old 11-11-2016, 12:39
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The thing is, since the judges aren't too clear about what a decent AT involves (beyond lifts, flicky kicks and Gertcha)as long as Danny and Oti produce something resembling a SCD AT, they'll be fine. Doesn't have to be a good proper AT.
I'm only concerned that the sheer length and power of Oti's legs have the potential to do some serious damage to Danny's Happy Place if they get the timing wrong.


True, it doesn't have to be the real thing. And to be fair if the public like it, they like it.

Oti has fantastic legs for AT and, from what have seen of their training vid, she has a sense of AT. Danny's doesn't but, it takes men (particularly English men) ages to get it - and get over the intensity and demands of leading it.
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Old 11-11-2016, 12:58
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That's actually a really good point - giving arguably the two best dancers on the show slow numbers made for a boring show last time. Even Claudia has VW tomorrow which I think will be lovely, but is unlikely to be a "wow" dance in the way that say a Charleston would be.

The more I think about it, the more I think Ed has already picked his seat on the Blackpool bus.
I think Ore this week falls into that muddy middle ground of 'not an exciting dance and unlikely to score terribly high, even if over marked'. Even if Cloudia's VW is less than scintilating but technically good, I can see her being above him on the leaderboard.
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Old 11-11-2016, 13:13
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True, it doesn't have to be the real thing. And to be fair if the public like it, they like it.

Oti has fantastic legs for AT and, from what have seen of their training vid, she has a sense of AT. Danny's doesn't but, it takes men (particularly English men) ages to get it - and get over the intensity and demands of leading it.
Whatever he will act it, I am thinking actually in terms of acting not performing to the back stalls, he is about the only one this year to be able to do this.

Loiuse is too introverted

Ed, Greg, JR and really Coudier ( certainly AJ) are performing to the back stall but he has and I think will be able to act a good AT.
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Old 11-11-2016, 13:39
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He's not my cup of tea but he is young, pretty and male. The voters in the main are women over 25 and ladies of a certain age. He will get the votes even if he did the Macarena.
Have to say I'm in complete agreement with AT here. There's no way Danny's going to be in the bottom two no matter where the judges' stick him on the leader board.

I'm not sure whether to ask this in here or the Ballroom and Latin dancers thread but... Ian mentioned that Danny needed stillness to create light and shade in the routine. Is this something he can execute whatever or is it down to cheoreography to give him that opportunity? I thought the latter but Ian mentioned it yesterday so I wondered if a celebrity can do something to instigate that flow of movement?
Yes, light and shade is created as part of the choreography (speaking in my experience as a ballet, tap, contemporary dancer rather than BL but it applies in most genres, and from 20 years as a journalist including arts reviewing).

The light and shade is created through different styles of movement, accentuating the beat or pausing on a beat, creating moments of movement and moments of stillness. There's probably specific steps in BL which work for creating those differences which the more experienced dancers will know.

In ballet, tap and contemporary dance these elements are created by using the music and creating steps and movement to take advantage of different tempos etc.

Phoenix Dance Theatre are one of my favourite (and best imho) contemporary companies in the world. This is the showreel for their triple bill this season.

And this is the 30th anniversary celebration video from 2011 with the original dancers and founding members (who I was incredibly lucky to dance with as a 12-year-old at Harehills Middle School in the 1980s in classes run by Northern School of Contemporary Dance founder Nadine Senior).

Hopefully these show the tempo changes, choreography elements which demonstrate the light and shade in a routine
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Old 11-11-2016, 14:37
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It actually made me laugh out loud . Which I bloody needed after the last 48 hours. 2016 needs to be made to sit in the corner and have a good long hard look at itself

On topic, still looking foward to Danny and Oti, and Ed

I have to admit that I'm looking forward to Daniel and Oti a lot more than Ed, but he is growing on me
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Old 11-11-2016, 16:10
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Yes not usually a conspiracy theorist but what are the PTB playng at this week? Danny has been shafted and so has Ore. Can you imagine if they both end up in the bottom two, the forum will explode with the racism card.
Oh, please. If there's one thing the producers DON'T want it's for either Danny or Ore to go out. So Danny's music this week is terrible. That's one out of eight dances. This time last year, J had had at least 3. I can't see any imaginable argument for that showing that the producers have somehow got it in for him. The only conceivable way for Danny to go out is in DO with twimsy, and I really don't think that's at all likely.

The judges are doing Danny a favour by keeping him off the top of the leaderboard at this point of the competition. If he were the acknowledged best dancer week after week, people would get bored and resentment might even build up against him because of his ringerdom. I mean, look what they've achieved - they've even managed to get people on these boards defending him as though he's the underdog and complaining at his poor treatment.
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Old 11-11-2016, 16:23
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True, it doesn't have to be the real thing. And to be fair if the public like it, they like it.

Oti has fantastic legs for AT and, from what have seen of their training vid, she has a sense of AT. Danny's doesn't but, it takes men (particularly English men) ages to get it - and get over the intensity and demands of leading it.
Most of us would have little clue what an actual AT looks like (although I feel better informed after your video clip ) . In reality, none of the dances can be more than makeshift in the time-frame - that is part of the point really. It must be insanely frustrating watching a show like this and seeing a skill you love being made pallid by ieptitude. Mind you, the pontifwaffle of the forums can't be much help either.

Edited to add: I trained as an art historian, so art programmes usually have the same effect on me. I can't not watch them, but I do it in a haze of swearing.
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Old 11-11-2016, 16:45
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It must be insanely frustrating watching a show like this and seeing a skill you love being made pallid by ieptitude. Mind you, the pontifwaffle of the forums can't be much help either.

Edited to add: I trained as an art historian, so art programmes usually have the same effect on me. I can't not watch them, but I do it in a haze of swearing.
An AT can be really simple - even they even just walked more and did less stupid crotch flashing lifts it would look better - but what the hell ....

Their concept of salsa also pains me. Even getting the basic step right would be good. *eye roll*

I now have visions of you throwing things at the TV and swearing like a trooper at mangled arts programme So glad I am not alone!
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Old 11-11-2016, 17:01
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I now have visions of you throwing things at the TV and swearing like a trooper at mangled arts programme So glad I am not alone!
Your image is accurate .
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Old 11-11-2016, 17:40
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Joanne so far (in fact since she started) has come across a little prudish and overly self-effacing in terms of sex appeal.
I've always found her very Doris Day.

Edited to add: I trained as an art historian, so art programmes usually have the same effect on me. I can't not watch them, but I do it in a haze of swearing.
I work in *whisper* Local Government, and the rubbish they spew on TV about that sector has steam coming out of my ears. Let alone when you see in dramas and stuff 'the man from the council' with his suit, clipboard and condescending attitude. For a start most 'men from the council' are actually women, unless you are talking Director level.
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Old 11-11-2016, 18:23
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I'd like to unappreciate Denise being partnered with Anton in the Christmas special.
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Old 11-11-2016, 18:43
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I've always found her very Doris Day.



I work in *whisper* Local Government, and the rubbish they spew on TV about that sector has steam coming out of my ears. Let alone when you see in dramas and stuff 'the man from the council' with his suit, clipboard and condescending attitude. For a start most 'men from the council' are actually women, unless you are talking Director level.
Ain't that the truth. How come in customer services the staff are 90% plus & women yet the director is a man?. In schools the teachers are mostly women but often with the exception of Headteacher who is a man. Professions like HR are dominated by women but at board level they so often appoint a man.
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Old 11-11-2016, 18:47
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I'd like to unappreciate Denise being partnered with Anton in the Christmas special.
I'd like to appreciate Dr Hamela being paired with Pasha.

#prayforpasha
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Old 11-11-2016, 19:01
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Oh please... Danny's fanbase would vote for him if he just simply sat still for 2 minutes.
Oh please yourself! I agree it is unlikely but stranger things have happened and his fanbase has not been tested yet.
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Old 11-11-2016, 19:01
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I'd like to appreciate Dr Hamela being paired with Pasha.

#prayforpasha
*makes prayer hands gesture*
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Old 11-11-2016, 19:03
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I'd like to appreciate Dr Hamela being paired with Pasha.

#prayforpasha
She was very vulnerable though
Like Louise
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Old 11-11-2016, 19:03
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Ain't that the truth. How come in customer services the staff are 90% plus & women yet the director is a man?. In schools the teachers are mostly women but often with the exception of Headteacher who is a man. Professions like HR are dominated by women but at board level they so often appoint a man.
Some places get it right. Our CEO is a woman, as is the head of HR and the head of Support. Just Housing & Resources are male.

Even when the CEO was male we had a 3/2 in favour of women.
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Old 11-11-2016, 19:14
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Ain't that the truth. How come in customer services the staff are 90% plus & women yet the director is a man?. In schools the teachers are mostly women but often with the exception of Headteacher who is a man. Professions like HR are dominated by women but at board level they so often appoint a man.
And not just men, but white, middle aged men.

She was very vulnerable though
Like Louise
Hammy was as vulnerable as a Sherman tank. And danced like one.

Some places get it right. Our CEO is a woman, as is the head of HR and the head of Support. Just Housing & Resources are male.

Even when the CEO was male we had a 3/2 in favour of women.
All ours are men, apart from the Director of Social Services. We've got one Assistant Director who's female, and several Division Heads. And then you get to Team Leader level and there are squillions - women, black women, Polish women, Asian women, disabled women, younger women. Loads.
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Old 11-11-2016, 19:28
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Edited to add: I trained as an art historian, so art programmes usually have the same effect on me. I can't not watch them, but I do it in a haze of swearing.
I work in *whisper* Local Government, and the rubbish they spew on TV about that sector has steam coming out of my ears. Let alone when you see in dramas and stuff 'the man from the council' with his suit, clipboard and condescending attitude. For a start most 'men from the council' are actually women, unless you are talking Director level.
Try 20 years as a journalist and the way that gets reported on the television in shows which aren't meant to be a comedy!
David Nobbs' Pratt of the Argus novel very closely resembles my early years as a trainee on a weekly newspaper in a small Yorkshire market town and is still my favourite journalism related book.
Drop the Dead Donkey was hilarious accurate at times as well.
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