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Old 26-11-2016, 22:36
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Without the correct technique ie, from the way they place their feet, or use their feet depending on the dance, the correct leg action, engage their core, don't allow their sides to break, correct posture and poise etc....nothing they dance, absolutely nothing will look decent. It is the application of correct technique that will enable the dancer to dance well.
We all see and want different things from the show and it is clear that Louise is not popular with many, but she is giving it her all, and doing it in the right way, by dancing correctly.
I am not denying at all that Loiuse does the right steps and well, not brilliantly but very well, but not one dance stands out for me.

I fell in love with SCD watching Alesha dance the waltz, it remains one of my favorite dances across all series for me. Loiuses, no nothing it was a waltz, but nothing more. Certainly not a dance to fall in love with.
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Old 26-11-2016, 22:40
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I am not denying at all that Loiuse does the right steps and well, not brilliantly but very well, but not one dance stands out for me.

I fell in love with SCD watching Alesha dance the waltz, it remains one of my favorite dances across all series for me. Loiuses, no nothing it was a waltz, but nothing more. Certainly not a dance to fall in love with.
Appreciate your input as usual. Thanks
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Old 26-11-2016, 22:41
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I thought they were fabulous. The choreography was classic competitive Samba, which Danny danced very well.
I do get that he danced it well, I just don't think it looked like it suited him. In contrast, he seemed totally at home and at ease in the quickstep and Charleston.
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Old 26-11-2016, 22:44
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She comes across as a perfectly lovely woman - but, for me, dancing correctly isn't the be all and end all I would rather see a less mannered and placed dance that has a bit of oomph to a technically correct but rather clinical spin round the floor. If at any point the two match up, then great but I don't get that with Louise. She seems a very insular dancer. She says she is enjoying it, but she still isn't projecting that, for me, however many times that were told she is.
She does seem a genuinely nice, laid back woman. I was mildly amused at Jamie trying to impress on her what he wanted "romantic!" and she just stood there giggling at him. I can well imagine the kids run rings around her because she's too 'naw aren't they sweet 'and Jamie has to administer the kick up the backside when they're falling out over the xbox.

I wonder if Jamie's auditioning for next year. I'll vote for him if he stands there looking gorgeous and doesn't speak.

Interestingly, for all my misgivings about him, TFF seems a pretty decent teacher explaining things clearly and knowing what to look for.
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Old 26-11-2016, 22:48
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I'm unappreciating not being able to unappreciate The Wunnerful Day Varch's Orchestra and Singers....for once.

Ore's 'Everybody Want's To Rule the World' but especially Clowdia's 'Cry Me a River' were well...good...

Topped by 'Man in the Hat' with a beater stick in his mouth putting in a outstanding cameo performance behind The Maesto's back

*Just read Monkseal's blog who said it 'sounded like the orchestra were being murdered one by one'....
I'll have to go back and have another listen...
In my defence...I was watching stone cold sober and didn't have my hearing aids in
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Old 26-11-2016, 23:08
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I don't knw enough about waltz to judge but I did think the way Louise used her feet was exquisit. She closed her steps and placed her feet beautifully. Whether that makes for good waltzing I couldn't say, but I thought it they looked lovely
I did as well. I thought her feet were nicely placed, her posture was mostly very good, I like her sense of poise, her sense of musicality is decent... and it frustrates me slightly that that isn't quite adding up to something greater than the sum of its parts. I quite like Louise in general and I think she dances well. I also think Kevin is doing a good job of teaching her the technique. Unfortunately something beyond that isn't quite clicking for me and I'm not sure why because actually I often favour contestants like Louise (I always liked Rachel Stevens and I felt sorry for Ali when the judges kept on at her for not being sexy or animated enough). This is probably my favourite of Kevin's partnerships but Louise isn't quite connecting on the dancefloor for me. Watching it back, I think that part of the problem is that she keeps her eye-line lowered so much of the time that you hardly ever see her eyes on camera. It makes her performance seem more internal - she may well have been caught up in it but she wasn't using her eyes to communicate that to the audience.

Coppertop, I remember Alesha's waltzes as well because I remember being swept up as she danced. I still remember Ali's VW and Ricky Whittle's final waltz from series 7. I'm honestly not sure if I'll remember Louise's waltz next week, which is sad.

I have to unappreciate Cloudia's eye make up. She looked like she'd walked face first into a mascara-laden cobweb.
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Old 26-11-2016, 23:13
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Yikes, I seem to be the only one who didn't like Danny's samba. I thought he often looked mildly ludicrous, with his flailing arms and ugly brown trousers and Ken doll head. Like the whitest dude alive trying to keep up with the queen of carnival.
It did look a little like he'd been caught short in the office toilets while changing for a night out.
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Old 26-11-2016, 23:16
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I did as well. I thought her feet were nicely placed, her posture was mostly very good, I like her sense of poise, her sense of musicality is decent... and it frustrates me slightly that that isn't quite adding up to something greater than the sum of its parts. I quite like Louise in general and I think she dances well. I also think Kevin is doing a good job of teaching her the technique. Unfortunately something beyond that isn't quite clicking for me and I'm not sure why because actually I often favour contestants like Louise (I always liked Rachel Stevens and I felt sorry for Ali when the judges kept on at her for not being sexy or animated enough). This is probably my favourite of Kevin's partnerships but Louise isn't quite connecting on the dancefloor for me. Watching it back, I think that part of the problem is that she keeps her eye-line lowered so much of the time that you hardly ever see her eyes on camera. It makes her performance seem more internal - she may well have been caught up in it but she wasn't using her eyes to communicate that to the audience.

Coppertop, I remember Alesha's waltzes as well because I remember being swept up as she danced. I still remember Ali's VW and Ricky Whittle's final waltz from series 7. I'm honestly not sure if I'll remember Louise's waltz next week, which is sad.

I have to unappreciate Cloudia's eye make up. She looked like she'd walked face first into a mascara-laden cobweb.
No it's not a waltz to stir the heart.
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Old 26-11-2016, 23:32
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No it's not a waltz to stir the heart.

for me Alesha and Matt's waltz was one of the best on strictly it had that mix of good music, good dance, lovely dress and expression that makes a classic - sadly we didnt get all that from Louise tonight but technically it was very good. Expression from Louise is going to have to come from Louise - Kevin can encourage it but it has to come from her.
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Old 26-11-2016, 23:34
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No it's not a waltz to stir the heart.
You'd struggle to stir gravy with it.

The thing which aggitated me the most is it was barely a Waltz - as I said elsewhere (even possibly here), if it had been AJ or Giovanni choreographing that they would have been tore a new one by Len. It was an American Smooth danced well but not a Waltz.
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Old 26-11-2016, 23:40
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I'm unappreciating not being able to unappreciate The Wunnerful Day Varch's Orchestra and Singers....for once.

Ore's 'Everybody Want's To Rule the World' but especially Clowdia's 'Cry Me a River' were well...good...

Topped by 'Man in the Hat' with a beater stick in his mouth putting in a outstanding cameo performance behind The Maesto's back

*Just read Monkseal's blog who said it 'sounded like the orchestra were being murdered one by one'....
I'll have to go back and have another listen...
In my defence...I was watching stone cold sober and didn't have my hearing aids in
The singing was fine, it was the fact that every 5 seconds it sounded like a drum was being thrown down the stairs or a violin being slung into the audience.
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Old 26-11-2016, 23:46
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The singing was fine, it was the fact that every 5 seconds it sounded like a drum was being thrown down the stairs or a violin being slung into the audience.
I wondered what the heck was going on there. If they had stopped the drum flinging it would have been easier to focus on the dance.
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Old 26-11-2016, 23:48
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Unappreciating the predictable, but incorrect, scoring on the ChawChawChaw. I've just watched it on catchup and for parts of it, Kevin was pulling Louise around and she was just about keeping upright.
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Old 26-11-2016, 23:51
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No it's not a waltz to stir the heart.
Lovely footwork, too much looking at the floor.

TTF seems to be a good teacher but with a blind spot to seeing his celebrities weaknesses.
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Old 26-11-2016, 23:57
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No it's not a waltz to stir the heart.
Nope, the dance equivalent of atenolol.
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Old 27-11-2016, 00:33
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You'd struggle to stir gravy with it.

The thing which aggitated me the most is it was barely a Waltz - as I said elsewhere (even possibly here), if it had been AJ or Giovanni choreographing that they would have been tore a new one by Len. It was an American Smooth danced well but not a Waltz.
Thanks for posting this. I thought it looked very odd for a waltz... like it was trying hard to be show-y, yet still ended up dull and forgettable.
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Old 27-11-2016, 03:44
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I fell in love with SCD watching Alesha dance the waltz, it remains one of my favorite dances across all series for me. Loiuses, no nothing it was a waltz, but nothing more. Certainly not a dance to fall in love with.
Yes, but that was in the days when they dressed the couples properly for the ballroom dances, Copper. How often do we see the men in white tails nowadays?? Has any male worn tails this series? (looks to Monkseal).
I totally agree with you regards Matt Cutler and Alesha!! They were a fantastic looking couple and have just watched their waltz and VW again. Along with their CCC, three of my favourite dances of all time. Their VW still makes my eyes water, it was so beautiful.
Amazing the difference decent outfits make.
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Old 27-11-2016, 03:55
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Appreciate your input as usual. Thanks
Sorry I missed this , thank you.
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Old 27-11-2016, 04:11
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Yes, but that was in the days when they dressed the couples properly for the ballroom dances, Copper. How often do we see the men in white tails nowadays?? Has any male worn tails this series? (looks to Monkseal).
I totally agree with you regards Matt Cutler and Alesha!! They were a fantastic looking couple and have just watched their waltz and VW again. Along with their CCC, three of my favourite dances of all time. Their VW still makes my eyes water, it was so beautiful.
Amazing the difference decent outfits make.
Yes Danni in his Charleston.

Whilst I was looking to confirm this I can across the you tube of Danni and Oti waltzing.
That was early days and his performance level wasn't what it is now, but hell ,he out performed Louise by a factor of 2 to 1.
That was a lovely dance which actually I do remember because it was sweeping and driven. He did have a bit of a constipated expression but he still outperformed Louise.
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Old 27-11-2016, 06:37
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I'm unappreciating not being able to unappreciate The Wunnerful Day Varch's Orchestra and Singers....for once.

Ore's 'Everybody Want's To Rule the World' but especially Clowdia's 'Cry Me a River' were well...good...

Topped by 'Man in the Hat' with a beater stick in his mouth putting in a outstanding cameo performance behind The Maesto's back

*Just read Monkseal's blog who said it 'sounded like the orchestra were being murdered one by one'....
I'll have to go back and have another listen...
In my defence...I was watching stone cold sober and didn't have my hearing aids in
Apart from the stone cold sober, that's probably the best way to listen to Day Varch. Whilst they're professional and technically skilled, there's no fire in their music. It's like those keyboards you get for kids with the numbers on the keys and the song books with tge numbers. Press the numbers in the right order and you get a tune but there's no soul.

No it's not a waltz to stir the heart.
None of her dances stir anything. There's no passion.

You'd struggle to stir gravy with it.

The thing which aggitated me the most is it was barely a Waltz - as I said elsewhere (even possibly here), if it had been AJ or Giovanni choreographing that they would have been tore a new one by Len. It was an American Smooth danced well but not a Waltz.
I'm really glad you said that, because that's what I said a few pages back but I thought I might be talking rubbsh. It just didn't look like a waltz to me, and I expected the judges to pick up on the little lift. I'm not a dancer, I'm a singer, but I've watched SCD from the start and have learned a lot from the folk on here who are dancers ( especially Sofakat) and there are some dances that just dont look right or fit into what I've seen before. And that dance didn't look like a waltz.

Unappreciating the predictable, but incorrect, scoring on the ChawChawChaw. I've just watched it on catchup and for parts of it, Kevin was pulling Louise around and she was just about keeping upright.
He seems to do that a lot though, while she just grins as if it's all great fun.
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Old 27-11-2016, 07:11
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I quite agree with all that's been said about Louise. Always nice and pretty, but not once does she make me laugh or cry, or go wow, or draw me in in any way. (And I thought she was going to win the CCCthing - I saw a couple of nice and pretty moves which I knew the judges would love soo much )

Unappreciating the judges, as usual. Some of Bruno's comments were good, but the rest? And then the scores all over the place; is it any wonder people are paying less and less attention? And they were mean to Rob - not just critical, but mean; I don't like that at all. Just because he didn't do a steamy, passionate rumba? It had more oomph than Twimsy's, that's for sure (ok, not saying much, but that just illustrates the point about scores all over the place all series, really).

Katya did another good job with the choreo, I thought. No, it wasn't as entertaining as some of Ed's dances have been, but again they were very together and having fun. (And I did like that dress...)

What amuses me greatly is that Ore and Kevin appear to be the only two people on the show who really want to win, and to a lesser degree Oti and Joanne. The other celebs, not so much. I don't suppose Rob or Ed are expecting to win anyway, but Danny seems very relaxed about it all, Louise doesn't care (probably worried what a dust magnet a glitterball must be), and Claudia is taking the show one dance at a time.

Unappreciating also that I've taken to doing the ironing while watching - seems a good idea. (I do stop when they actually dance, but there's just so much waffle in between.)
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Old 27-11-2016, 08:34
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Usually my eyes are on Oti, but he was out in front a lot and drew all the attention with the flailing arms and ugly shirt and trousers and flashing white chest.

He obviously danced the choreography well, but the costuming for him was horrible and I think the choreography didn't suit him as a dancer.
I agree that his costume was distracting.
The samba is all constant movement of arms, legs and his.
The last thing it needed was a shirt moving in yet another direction.
The trews were a horrid colour, too big and baggy. They made his perfectly nice chest look skinny.
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Old 27-11-2016, 08:38
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The singing was fine, it was the fact that every 5 seconds it sounded like a drum was being thrown down the stairs or a violin being slung into the audience.
Exactly. There was an extremely dominant drum on Ore's Paso music which unfortunately did not coincide with the accents in the dance
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Old 27-11-2016, 09:37
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Exactly. There was an extremely dominant drum on Ore's Paso music which unfortunately did not coincide with the accents in the dance
*Memo to self...

Keep watching Strictly minus the hearing aids ...
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Old 27-11-2016, 09:53
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I agree that his costume was distracting.
The samba is all constant movement of arms, legs and his.
The last thing it needed was a shirt moving in yet another direction.
The trews were a horrid colour, too big and baggy. They made his perfectly nice chest look skinny.
They've spent two series dressing the men in drainpipe trousers and decide to blow the budget on a pair of Oxford bags.
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