They are not Oxford bags but proper dance trousers.
This is Most Definitely Not An Appreciation Thread - Part 23
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Originally Posted by Gill P:
“They are not Oxford bags but proper dance trousers.”
“They are not Oxford bags but proper dance trousers.”
Rob Rinder wore Oxford Bags for his Foxtrot.
Danny's trousers were ordinary off the shelf ones as you could see the pockets.
Just playing catch up as I was out last night. Goodness, how interesting.
Enjoyed a fast latin for the first time this series! I don't like any of salsa, samba or cha cha much but Doti did a conversion job. Final please.
Paso actually worked. More chemistry between Ore and Joanne as well. Despite hating the music, the concept and Jo's dress in theory, in practice it all worked. He's not Danny levels of good, but he's easily the second best man and in the right dance there (might) not be a vast amount in it. Final please.
Louise's waltz left me indifferent. I could admire, but not adore and at this point, I want to adore. She does look like she's trying, but it really isn't coming across to me as a performance. I know she says she's loving every second, but I am not seeing it, which is a shame.
Rindy's rumba was better than I thought it might be, and it was interesting to see how much his technique has improved. I can't see him going much further with the very clear water between him, Ed and the rest, but I'm glad he managed to shake the Komedy Kontestant label off.
Ed seems to have run out of steam in this one. Katya can only do so much and at some point his lack of stamina is going to be a big barrier. Time to go methinks, but who knows what the public will say.
Cloudier's AT ... I'm in two minds about. For me it was one of her best dances, but there doesn't seem to be a huge connection between her and AJ. This seems to me to be more to do with Cloudier being quite a mature 19 year old and AJ being quite an immature 22 year old. Liked it very much, and in parts was a definite breakout, but not all the way. Yes, I do think she was undermarked, and at the moment I'd take her over Louise as a finalist. I think she's got more to offer and Louise really hasn't. Edited to add - was that remotely an AT?
Cha cha whatnot can take a jump into a muddy river and stay there.
Apologies for the essay.
Enjoyed a fast latin for the first time this series! I don't like any of salsa, samba or cha cha much but Doti did a conversion job. Final please.
Paso actually worked. More chemistry between Ore and Joanne as well. Despite hating the music, the concept and Jo's dress in theory, in practice it all worked. He's not Danny levels of good, but he's easily the second best man and in the right dance there (might) not be a vast amount in it. Final please.
Louise's waltz left me indifferent. I could admire, but not adore and at this point, I want to adore. She does look like she's trying, but it really isn't coming across to me as a performance. I know she says she's loving every second, but I am not seeing it, which is a shame.
Rindy's rumba was better than I thought it might be, and it was interesting to see how much his technique has improved. I can't see him going much further with the very clear water between him, Ed and the rest, but I'm glad he managed to shake the Komedy Kontestant label off.
Ed seems to have run out of steam in this one. Katya can only do so much and at some point his lack of stamina is going to be a big barrier. Time to go methinks, but who knows what the public will say.
Cloudier's AT ... I'm in two minds about. For me it was one of her best dances, but there doesn't seem to be a huge connection between her and AJ. This seems to me to be more to do with Cloudier being quite a mature 19 year old and AJ being quite an immature 22 year old. Liked it very much, and in parts was a definite breakout, but not all the way. Yes, I do think she was undermarked, and at the moment I'd take her over Louise as a finalist. I think she's got more to offer and Louise really hasn't. Edited to add - was that remotely an AT?
Cha cha whatnot can take a jump into a muddy river and stay there.
Apologies for the essay.
Loved coming home and reading your posts on last night. I was out dancing (AT) as usual so just recorded the whole thing.
Best way to look at 'that AT' is to forget the concept of AT at all. It was a dance choreographed by someone to capitalise on C's gymnastic talents and hide AJ's total lack of knowledge of the dance. I expect that was why he was in ballroom hold the whole way through.
Another eagle eyed poster spotted a lot of similarities between AJ/Cloudier routine and one used in DWTS. I agree with them. Plenty stolen from that. She got into nice aerial poses, showed how wonderfully strong her little core is and flashed her sturdy little legs a lot. Bit too much gusset flashing for me: I find that very inelegant.
It was interesting, but forget any semblance to AT. Good to see her dance as a woman for a change, despite the demented spider on speed eye makeup.
The samba was a triumph. 2016 is the year that Oti became a star and last night her samba was fantastic. She looked incredible and showed just what an extraordinary dancer she is. Loved it so much. Watched it and then wound back again to watch it a second time. Utter joy.
Dear Judge - I did like you, but last night I didn't even survive a first viewing if your dahnce darling. I got so bored I fast forwarded you.
Ditto Mimsy. When will you ever actually love or even enjoy dancing so that some heart or spark shines through? You'd rather bake a batch of scones, wouldn't you?
You're just being a good girl though, and it shows
Lastly, just for you, a video of an athletic but real tango from two world champions. Notice the flow despite the acrobatics!
Best way to look at 'that AT' is to forget the concept of AT at all. It was a dance choreographed by someone to capitalise on C's gymnastic talents and hide AJ's total lack of knowledge of the dance. I expect that was why he was in ballroom hold the whole way through.
Another eagle eyed poster spotted a lot of similarities between AJ/Cloudier routine and one used in DWTS. I agree with them. Plenty stolen from that. She got into nice aerial poses, showed how wonderfully strong her little core is and flashed her sturdy little legs a lot. Bit too much gusset flashing for me: I find that very inelegant.
It was interesting, but forget any semblance to AT. Good to see her dance as a woman for a change, despite the demented spider on speed eye makeup.
The samba was a triumph. 2016 is the year that Oti became a star and last night her samba was fantastic. She looked incredible and showed just what an extraordinary dancer she is. Loved it so much. Watched it and then wound back again to watch it a second time. Utter joy.
Dear Judge - I did like you, but last night I didn't even survive a first viewing if your dahnce darling. I got so bored I fast forwarded you.
Ditto Mimsy. When will you ever actually love or even enjoy dancing so that some heart or spark shines through? You'd rather bake a batch of scones, wouldn't you?
You're just being a good girl though, and it shows
Lastly, just for you, a video of an athletic but real tango from two world champions. Notice the flow despite the acrobatics!
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Loved coming home and reading your posts on last night. I was out dancing (AT) as usual so just recorded the whole thing.
Lastly, just for you, a video of an athletic but real tango from two world champions. Notice the flow despite the acrobatics!”
“Loved coming home and reading your posts on last night. I was out dancing (AT) as usual so just recorded the whole thing.
Lastly, just for you, a video of an athletic but real tango from two world champions. Notice the flow despite the acrobatics!”
That tango!!!! Que maravilla!
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Loved coming home and reading your posts on last night. I was out dancing (AT) as usual so just recorded the whole thing.
Best way to look at 'that AT' is to forget the concept of AT at all. It was a dance choreographed by someone to capitalise on C's gymnastic talents and hide AJ's total lack of knowledge of the dance. I expect that was why he was in ballroom hold the whole way through.
Another eagle eyed poster spotted a lot of similarities between AJ/Cloudier routine and one used in DWTS. I agree with them. Plenty stolen from that. She got into nice aerial poses, showed how wonderfully strong her little core is and flashed her sturdy little legs a lot. Bit too much gusset flashing for me: I find that very inelegant.
It was interesting, but forget any semblance to AT. Good to see her dance as a woman for a change, despite the demented spider on speed eye makeup.”
“Loved coming home and reading your posts on last night. I was out dancing (AT) as usual so just recorded the whole thing.
Best way to look at 'that AT' is to forget the concept of AT at all. It was a dance choreographed by someone to capitalise on C's gymnastic talents and hide AJ's total lack of knowledge of the dance. I expect that was why he was in ballroom hold the whole way through.
Another eagle eyed poster spotted a lot of similarities between AJ/Cloudier routine and one used in DWTS. I agree with them. Plenty stolen from that. She got into nice aerial poses, showed how wonderfully strong her little core is and flashed her sturdy little legs a lot. Bit too much gusset flashing for me: I find that very inelegant.
It was interesting, but forget any semblance to AT. Good to see her dance as a woman for a change, despite the demented spider on speed eye makeup.”
I said the hold looked all wrong for an AT last night. <Feels unjustifiably knowledgeable>
I'm more forgiving of AJ than some of the pros. Apparently he and Chloe only turned professional a matter of weeks before Strictly started; he'd never done lifts before, and he's got a partner a foot shorter than him, never mind some horrendously inappropriate music. I think he'd got enough to cope with, never mind finding time for a few AT lessons. Mind you, if he's back next year and hasn't had a few lessons I'll be disappointed.
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“Lastly, just for you, a video of an athletic but real tango from two world champions. Notice the flow despite the acrobatics!”
“Lastly, just for you, a video of an athletic but real tango from two world champions. Notice the flow despite the acrobatics!”
Thanks.
I do enjoy your links to real tango.
Love the AT link.
It really is the most wonderfully expressive dance.
Love Oti's face down the camera at the end of the samba. It took smug, turned it on its head, shook it about a bit and redefined it. Glorious
It really is the most wonderfully expressive dance.
Love Oti's face down the camera at the end of the samba. It took smug, turned it on its head, shook it about a bit and redefined it. Glorious
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“
Lastly, just for you, a video of an athletic but real tango from two world champions. Notice the flow despite the acrobatics!”
“
Lastly, just for you, a video of an athletic but real tango from two world champions. Notice the flow despite the acrobatics!”
Thanks for that link about which I have 2 comments
1) She did a couple of moves with her legs that are definitely physically impossible
2) I liked the way she had perfectly matched her hair colour to the colour of the soles of her shoes. That's attention to detail!
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Lastly, just for you, a video of an athletic but real tango from two world champions. Notice the flow despite the acrobatics!”
“Lastly, just for you, a video of an athletic but real tango from two world champions. Notice the flow despite the acrobatics!”
The biggest difference for me with this and any of the ATs we've seen on the show, even the ones I've loved over the years, is that those (the SCD ones) are clearly a practised routine.
This pair looked like they simply took the floor and did what they felt like as the music commanded them, nothing looked like they had to think about what they were doing.
I think, for me, the dances I've most engaged with on SCD over the years have had that quality to them, where it looks like the clebs and their partners have just taken to the floor and danced for the sheer joy of it.
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“Thanks for that link about which I have 2 comments
1) She did a couple of moves with her legs that are definitely physically impossible
2) I liked the way she had perfectly matched her hair colour to the colour of the soles of her shoes. That's attention to detail!”
“Thanks for that link about which I have 2 comments
1) She did a couple of moves with her legs that are definitely physically impossible
2) I liked the way she had perfectly matched her hair colour to the colour of the soles of her shoes. That's attention to detail!”
My first thought was 'I do hope she's wearing knickers'.
Second was 'ooooh it's just like watching KevinanLouise'. And then I went to take my medication.
Anyone who thinks Kevin and Louizzzzz or Cloudier and AJ did an Argentine Tango should be forced to watch that on a loop for three days. Thanks Sof'.
Originally Posted by Wiskas2:
“Anyone who thinks Kevin and Louizzzzz or Cloudier and AJ did an Argentine Tango should be forced to watch that on a loop for three days. Thanks Sof'.”
“Anyone who thinks Kevin and Louizzzzz or Cloudier and AJ did an Argentine Tango should be forced to watch that on a loop for three days. Thanks Sof'.”
Anyone who thinks they did an AT should go and watch Vincent & Flavia on YouTube to see what an AT should really be -- there are plenty of examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRaSfwOlrv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2z7EToIHMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdoaERWn3dQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOp6pObPeZ4
Or else watch Vincent & Rachel's AT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVx1CskHlcc
Originally Posted by memmh:
“Anyone who thinks they did an AT should go and watch Vincent & Flavia on YouTube to see what an AT should really be -- there are plenty of examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRaSfwOlrv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2z7EToIHMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdoaERWn3dQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOp6pObPeZ4
Or else watch Vincent & Rachel's AT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVx1CskHlcc”
“Anyone who thinks they did an AT should go and watch Vincent & Flavia on YouTube to see what an AT should really be -- there are plenty of examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRaSfwOlrv4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2z7EToIHMc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdoaERWn3dQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOp6pObPeZ4
Or else watch Vincent & Rachel's AT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVx1CskHlcc”
Vincent & Flavia perform show Argentine Tango, not authentic AT. So yes, while they are superb to watch, they're not an indicator of what a proper one should look like.
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“Vincent & Flavia perform show Argentine Tango, not authentic AT. So yes, while they are superb to watch, they're not an indicator of what a proper one should look like.”
“Vincent & Flavia perform show Argentine Tango, not authentic AT. So yes, while they are superb to watch, they're not an indicator of what a proper one should look like.”
On Strictly no one does 'proper ATs'. So, well, moot essentially.
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“Vincent & Flavia perform show Argentine Tango, not authentic AT. So yes, while they are superb to watch, they're not an indicator of what a proper one should look like.”
“Vincent & Flavia perform show Argentine Tango, not authentic AT. So yes, while they are superb to watch, they're not an indicator of what a proper one should look like.”
Fair point -- although Vincent & Flavia are probably the closest we'll ever get to authentic AT on Strictly. It's a shame we no longer have demos of what the dances should look like, it would be fabulous to see guests performing a truly authentic AT.
Originally Posted by mimi dlc:
“Thanks for that link about which I have 2 comments
1) She did a couple of moves with her legs that are definitely physically impossible
2) I liked the way she had perfectly matched her hair colour to the colour of the soles of her shoes. That's attention to detail!”
“Thanks for that link about which I have 2 comments
1) She did a couple of moves with her legs that are definitely physically impossible
2) I liked the way she had perfectly matched her hair colour to the colour of the soles of her shoes. That's attention to detail!”
And that would have been no coincidence. Some of the outfits they wear are truly unbelievable. Months go into their planning. The shoes are handmade for them.
One fabulous tanguera only ever wears dresses designed and made for her by a French designer. She is exquisitely dressed wherever she is and so damn elegant.
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“The biggest difference for me with this and any of the ATs we've seen on the show, even the ones I've loved over the years, is that those (the SCD ones) are clearly a practised routine.
This pair looked like they simply took the floor and did what they felt like as the music commanded them, nothing looked like they had to think about what they were doing.[
I think, for me, the dances I've most engaged with on SCD over the years have had that quality to them, where it looks like the clebs and their partners have just taken to the floor and danced for the sheer joy of it.”
“The biggest difference for me with this and any of the ATs we've seen on the show, even the ones I've loved over the years, is that those (the SCD ones) are clearly a practised routine.
This pair looked like they simply took the floor and did what they felt like as the music commanded them, nothing looked like they had to think about what they were doing.[
I think, for me, the dances I've most engaged with on SCD over the years have had that quality to them, where it looks like the clebs and their partners have just taken to the floor and danced for the sheer joy of it.”
That is what I long for. AT is very much that kind of dance. It's about the dancers and how they feel and express the music.
I was dancing with a favourite lead yesterday - favourite because he gets so completely into the music and we have such fun with it. He has no inhibitions. 'My God those violins are truly wretchedly sad. I hear drama. Let's do drama' he giggled into my ear, and lo we took off across the floor ...
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“Vincent & Flavia perform show Argentine Tango, not authentic AT. So yes, while they are superb to watch, they're not an indicator of what a proper one should look like.”
“Vincent & Flavia perform show Argentine Tango, not authentic AT. So yes, while they are superb to watch, they're not an indicator of what a proper one should look like.”
It's not even Show Tango, it's what we call 'Tango for Export' which includes ballroom and gymnastics. And, you're right, it's not tango at all - but bless them they have an audience.
I adore Favia as a dancer but I can't really watch those videos without wincing.
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“That is what I long for. AT is very much that kind of dance. It's about the dancers and how they feel and express the music.
I was dancing with a favourite lead yesterday - favourite because he gets so completely into the music and we have such fun with it. He has no inhibitions. 'My God those violins are truly wretchedly sad. I hear drama. Let's do drama' he giggled into my ear, and lo we took off across the floor ...”
“That is what I long for. AT is very much that kind of dance. It's about the dancers and how they feel and express the music.
I was dancing with a favourite lead yesterday - favourite because he gets so completely into the music and we have such fun with it. He has no inhibitions. 'My God those violins are truly wretchedly sad. I hear drama. Let's do drama' he giggled into my ear, and lo we took off across the floor ...”
I love it when that happens! When I was still doing my contemporary dance it was often like that. Nadine or whoever was running the class would just stick a piece of music on and she'd say off you go! And there'd be a dozen mad teenagers letting loose in a school hall
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“The biggest difference for me with this and any of the ATs we've seen on the show, even the ones I've loved over the years, is that those (the SCD ones) are clearly a practised routine.
This pair looked like they simply took the floor and did what they felt like as the music commanded them, nothing looked like they had to think about what they were doing.
I think, for me, the dances I've most engaged with on SCD over the years have had that quality to them, where it looks like the clebs and their partners have just taken to the floor and danced for the sheer joy of it.”
“The biggest difference for me with this and any of the ATs we've seen on the show, even the ones I've loved over the years, is that those (the SCD ones) are clearly a practised routine.
This pair looked like they simply took the floor and did what they felt like as the music commanded them, nothing looked like they had to think about what they were doing.
I think, for me, the dances I've most engaged with on SCD over the years have had that quality to them, where it looks like the clebs and their partners have just taken to the floor and danced for the sheer joy of it.”
Completely agree, that's why Danny's samba (and some of his other dances) was so bloody marvellous and, sadly, nothing of Louise's ever is. Danny makes me want to get up and have a go, Louise makes me think 'that's nice, a bit dull, but nice'
Originally Posted by Gill P:
“They are not Oxford bags but proper dance trousers.”
“They are not Oxford bags but proper dance trousers.”
Have to say, I really don't get the criticism of Danny's outfit. The colours were earth colours, matching both theme and Oti's outfit. The fit was good. The open shirt I didn't care about one way or the other but it did mean that he couldn't disguise any poor movement behind clothing and in fact, didn't need to - excellent movement was clearly visible.
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“Completely agree, that's why Danny's samba (and some of his other dances) was so bloody marvellous and, sadly, nothing of Louise's ever is. Danny makes me want to get up and have a go, Louise makes me think 'that's nice, a bit dull, but nice'”
“Completely agree, that's why Danny's samba (and some of his other dances) was so bloody marvellous and, sadly, nothing of Louise's ever is. Danny makes me want to get up and have a go, Louise makes me think 'that's nice, a bit dull, but nice'”
Danny's dances have been the ones I want to dance.
You could make a case for any of the top 6 winning, but Danny is the only one I want to see all the dances from whether he wins or comes second/third/however they decide to play it this year.
Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“Completely agree, that's why Danny's samba (and some of his other dances) was so bloody marvellous and, sadly, nothing of Louise's ever is. Danny makes me want to get up and have a go, Louise makes me think 'that's nice, a bit dull, but nice'”
“Completely agree, that's why Danny's samba (and some of his other dances) was so bloody marvellous and, sadly, nothing of Louise's ever is. Danny makes me want to get up and have a go, Louise makes me think 'that's nice, a bit dull, but nice'”
I actually like Louise a lot. And I appreciate her dancing, But leaves me completely lukewarm. It does not irritate me like others have, I find it elegant and precise and pretty much don't see anything wrong, except that it has no passion, no wow.
Your point makes a lot of sense.
I am not as emotionally connected with Danny and Oti as I was with Jay and Aliona (probably because of personal circumstances mean I am not as involved this year) but I can say now that Danny is the first one that actually makes me want to learn Latin ballroom dancing. His face of joy dancing is a thing of beauty.
Originally Posted by Toasted Toad:
“Have to say, I really don't get the criticism of Danny's outfit. The colours were earth colours, matching both theme and Oti's outfit. The fit was good. The open shirt I didn't care about one way or the other but it did mean that he couldn't disguise any poor movement behind clothing and in fact, didn't need to - excellent movement was clearly visible.”
“Have to say, I really don't get the criticism of Danny's outfit. The colours were earth colours, matching both theme and Oti's outfit. The fit was good. The open shirt I didn't care about one way or the other but it did mean that he couldn't disguise any poor movement behind clothing and in fact, didn't need to - excellent movement was clearly visible.”
Me either. I think both of their costumes were perfect for that routine. I could actually see them in Brazil, Cuba, Barbados or any carnival place dressed like that dancing in the streets. Well, with a bit of imagination.
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“
I think, for me, the dances I've most engaged with on SCD over the years have had that quality to them, where it looks like the clebs and their partners have just taken to the floor and danced for the sheer joy of it.”
“
I think, for me, the dances I've most engaged with on SCD over the years have had that quality to them, where it looks like the clebs and their partners have just taken to the floor and danced for the sheer joy of it.”
That is so very, very true. To me, it's the very essence of dance at its heart.
It's what I saw in Alesha's cha cha, the Kartem rumba, the Mumba
, Austinwuzrobbed's jive, Jay's Charleston, to name but a few, and now Danny's samba. I'm sure everyone else has their favourites too and their list might be completely different. I haven't danced in a long time, but they are the ones that remind me what a great experience it all is.I have been thinking about AT too. Maybe I'm completely wrong, but in Strictly, we often hear about the AT being 'sharp' or 'spiky'. And that it should be smouldering and sexy. However, what I see mostly in the clips of professional AT dancers is that a lot of the AT overall is actually very smooth (and that's certainly what I've seen in 'free' (improv) AT). Yes, those kicks etc. should be clear, quick and defined, but the essence of the dance overall is soft (those distinctive walks, for example), or perhaps that's not quite the right adjective. And most of all, it needs a strong relationship between the partners - not necessarily sexy, but intense. Or perhaps there are just different types of AT - some gentler, some harsher, some a mix. Is that right? Or am I completely veering off track and talking complete and utter nonsense? Would be very interesting to hear how AT specialists would actually describe the nature of the dance.
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