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Old 28-11-2016, 17:48
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You see this sometimes - I'm not sure whether people mean to praise the celeb or sometimes dismiss them as being 'too good'. However, I always find it (a) insulting to the pro and (b) demonstrating the viewer's lack of observation/knowledge. You can't tell which one of the two has been dancing for about 15-20 years? Really? When the judges say it, it's really meant as hyperbole but when viewers say it, I worry...
With regards to Danny and Oti I've noticed the line used disparagingly towards her. I, too, find it difficult to comprehend how someone could watch that samba for example and not recognize Oti as the pro. Danny worked his tush off and it showed but to say it was difficult to separate the two or worst he looked like the pro is frankly bizarre.
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Old 28-11-2016, 17:52
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I keep thinking about that awful outfit Joanne was given to wear.

Awful skirt that looked like dirty net curtains that have been trough a shredder.
Pin stripe top with a blouse like that of an Edwardian lady.
The only thing missing was a Cameo brooch.
So maybe the story was she had lost her brooch and looked under the table for it.
Louise was also helping her look for it because she couldn't take her eyes off the floor.

Yes, that must be it.
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Old 28-11-2016, 17:52
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You see this sometimes - I'm not sure whether people mean to praise the celeb or sometimes dismiss them as being 'too good'. However, I always find it (a) insulting to the pro and (b) demonstrating the viewer's lack of observation/knowledge. You can't tell which one of the two has been dancing for about 15-20 years? Really? When the judges say it, it's really meant as hyperbole but when viewers say it, I worry...
I think it's just one of those things people say when they don't know what to say. Like when you tell someone their new hairdo looks amazing and takes years off them, when you really want to say 'bloody hell, I haven't seen a hairdo like that since the Bay City Rollers broke up'.
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Old 28-11-2016, 17:59
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I think it's just one of those things people say when they don't know what to say. Like when you tell someone their new hairdo looks amazing and takes years off them, when you really want to say 'bloody hell, I haven't seen a hairdo like that since the Bay City Rollers broke up'.
I'd just say 'it captures the Zeitgeist of now'
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Old 28-11-2016, 18:03
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I'd just say 'it captures the Zeitgeist of now'
You've been dying for an opportunity to use that haven't you Aggs
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Old 28-11-2016, 18:06
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You've been dying for an opportunity to use that haven't you Aggs
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Old 28-11-2016, 19:10
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And congratulations again.
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Old 28-11-2016, 19:10
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This weeks offering from jo7 over on the BBC site, enjoy

Strictly boardroom Week 10

Mister Beeb - Right people, debrief of Saturdays show..and Sundays of course haw haw.
Producer - Very funny MB haven't heard that one (rolls eyes)
MB - well done everyone for the MMM.
P - what's that MB?
MB - magnificent marking manipulation.so let's start off with the soap poppet. Magnificent chest
P - Whose? Danny
MB - who's Danny
P - the soap poppet
MB - No man no. The gal, hubba hubba. But I like your thinking, a chest for the men and a chest for the ladies. Thats equality for you.
P - Did you go to the Equality and diversity seminar MB?
MB - don't be ridiculous. I don't have time for that nonsense. I sent my PA to take notes. Moving on to Ore and Clifton
P - Joanne Clifton?
MB - Of course. What other Cliftons are there on strictly. Nicely MMM'd. I did think they'd be dancing to 'a spoonful of sugar' looking at her outfit. What was that all about?
P - She was a businesswoman
MB - When did Mary Poppins work in an office? Right. We've got to talk about Kevin. Well done people still on track for the final. Close call tonight. Had to slip len a pension top-up so he wouldn't mention the lift. Must ask though what was wrong with her shoes?
P - What do you mean MB
MB - well she kept looking at them. When she did look up she had a slightly pained expression.
P - She was looking at Kevin romantically
MB - Ah enough said. Explains a lot. Nice touch getting the footballer in for the VT
P - Yes polls show that footballers watch strictly after coming back from a game.
MB - really?
P - ....no. But in case they do every vote counts
MB - OK Rinder. Got to get him out soon
P - whys that?
MB - I need him to represent me at my sexual harassment hearing. Shame because that Oksanas a bit of a sort. So Ed balls, bit more pickle with that cheese. What was that?
P - we have our best people analysing it as we speak
MB- Get back to me on that. Right Claudia. Give the judges a bonus for the marking. Can't have the gymnast in the final
P - Why's that MB
MB - Our finalists don't need the competition.Can you imagine her in a show dance, shudder to think of what it'd do to Kevins chances. And she's......short
P - is that fair
MB - it's not about fairness. This is strictly it's about ratings. Next the cha cha challenge. Did the judges see it?
P - Not really. We forgot to put a calculator on the desk and maths isn't their strong point. They were too busy counting on their fingers. But they got there in the end. Our 3 back on top.
But good news MB. Balls out.
MB - Oops sorry. Didn't realise I was flying low. Ah Ed balls. So who's going to take over Lens job now.................
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Old 28-11-2016, 19:35
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I think it's just one of those things people say when they don't know what to say. Like when you tell someone their new hairdo looks amazing and takes years off them, when you really want to say 'bloody hell, I haven't seen a hairdo like that since the Bay City Rollers broke up'.
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Old 29-11-2016, 07:15
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I keep thinking about that awful outfit Joanne was given to wear.

Awful skirt that looked like dirty net curtains that have been trough a shredder.
Pin stripe top with a blouse like that of an Edwardian lady.
The only thing missing was a Cameo brooch.
So maybe the story was she had lost her brooch and looked under the table for it.
Louise was also helping her look for it because she couldn't take her eyes off the floor.

Yes, that must be it.
To be honest it really did look like a zeitgeist version of Mary Poppins complete with a play suit.

But I have no idea why Mary Poppins would wear a play suit, dance a paso, or need to prop up a billiard table at the end of the dance.
I think it's one of those things it's just better to explain as , it is, rather than find a logical reason for it.

We never did find out about the bicycle, fire mans hose, stuffed trousers with sweeties.
Oddly enough all these things were choreographed by Jo.

When you add them up with the Rose tiara and glitter wellies from ITT and the lobster suit somewhere along the line there appears to be a disconnect with normality that is beyond most people's comprehension.

They just are.

Acceptance is the only way or you may enter a well of unknowing that may completely frazzle your brain.

Like Jo's
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Old 29-11-2016, 07:37
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To be honest it really did look like a zeitgeist version of Mary Poppins complete with a play suit.

But I have no idea why Mary Poppins would wear a play suit, dance a paso, or need to prop up a billiard table at the end of the dance.
I think it's one of those things it's just better to explain as , it is, rather than find a logical reason for it.

We never did find out about the bicycle, fire mans hose, stuffed trousers with sweeties.
Oddly enough all these things were choreographed by Jo.

When you add them up with the Rose tiara and glitter wellies from ITT and the lobster suit somewhere along the line there appears to be a disconnect with normality that is beyond most people's comprehension.

They just are.

Acceptance is the only way or you may enter a well of unknowing that may completely frazzle your brain.

Like Jo's
To be fair, I don't think Joanne choreographed the sweeties down the trousers Charleston. However, having said that, I presume that as external choreographers are creating a dance for a particular couple, they work with them to reflect their character and abilities. You're not going to try and fob off Oti with twee, and you'd be a fool not to take Claudia's gymnastic abilities into account, and that Charleston reflected the stop-starty choreography I've come to associate with Joanne, never mind her perplexing psyche.
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Old 29-11-2016, 07:42
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And now, PoorOre has to be Willy Wonka. I hope in his head he's not seeing himself as the Johnny Depp version ... because between Joanne (Violet Beauregard*? Verucca Salt? Mrs Bucket?) and Ward Robe no chance. They got a full pack of those carpet tiles - it's a wig, at least.

I wonder, if at the end of the series he ever hears Robbie Williams 'Candy' he will hide behind the couch, curled in a ball and have to be calmed with a Hobnob?

(* that would be worth it just for the challenge to makeup and props, and to see what Bruno could come up with. Would make Gavin turning Katya bad by messing her hair and changing her frock look very small fry)
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Old 29-11-2016, 08:46
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And now, PoorOre has to be Willy Wonka. I hope in his head he's not seeing himself as the Johnny Depp version ... because between Joanne (Violet Beauregard*? Verucca Salt? Mrs Bucket?) and Ward Robe no chance. They got a full pack of those carpet tiles - it's a wig, at least.

I wonder, if at the end of the series he ever hears Robbie Williams 'Candy' he will hide behind the couch, curled in a ball and have to be calmed with a Hobnob?

(* that would be worth it just for the challenge to makeup and props, and to see what Bruno could come up with. Would make Gavin turning Katya bad by messing her hair and changing her frock look very small fry)
Considering that the Producer seems happy to throw Joanne and Ore under the bus, possibly to deflect from their Pro Kevin Agenda, I'm fully expecting Joanne to be dressed as an Oompah Loompa
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Old 29-11-2016, 08:48
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Your thoughts on Danny and Oti's samba screams, "and the less said about him the better" . I thought Danny acquitted himself rather well considering he was dancing with a samba goddess. I cringed reading comments inexplicably unable to distinguish who the pro was. Black pro dancers in this format are a rarity but really?!
No, on the contrary, I though he did really well and gave it his all. They are great together and I think it's a very strong partnership.
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Old 29-11-2016, 08:59
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Unfortunately there is not a lot in here that I can disagree with. Only one problem, I didn't have the Jamesons to hand.
Ah, but you should know by now that senses sometimes have to be blunted to avert meltdown of horror.

I'm with you there found it a bit ungainly. Loved the clip, thank you, you always put up such great dances.

Little question for you all out there. I was very put off by the whiteness of Claudia's legs, should she have been in sheer black tights like the lady in the video? Would that have made it "better" for me?
Yes. To be blunt, the problem is how short and sturdy Cloudier's legs are, and this lifts just emphasised that, over and over. They were ugly. I love that she can do them, but they could have been made more graceful and less flashy. Did her no favours at all.

Actually, it was lovely - a very gracious exit and he really does seem to have been genuinuely liked by the rest of the cast.
Lovely man. Despite any public bitching about him, it looks to me like he was very popular.

To be honest it really did look like a zeitgeist version of Mary Poppins complete with a play suit.

But I have no idea why Mary Poppins would wear a play suit, dance a paso, or need to prop up a billiard table at the end of the dance.
I think it's one of those things it's just better to explain as , it is, rather than find a logical reason for it.

We never did find out about the bicycle, fire mans hose, stuffed trousers with sweeties.
Oddly enough all these things were choreographed by Jo.

When you add them up with the Rose tiara and glitter wellies from ITT and the lobster suit somewhere along the line there appears to be a disconnect with normality that is beyond most people's comprehension.

They just are.

Acceptance is the only way or you may enter a well of unknowing that may completely frazzle your brain.

Like Jo's
*Applause* Post of the day for me!
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Old 29-11-2016, 09:19
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Considering that the Producer seems happy to throw Joanne and Ore under the bus, possibly to deflect from their Pro Kevin Agenda, I'm fully expecting Joanne to be dressed as an Oompah Loompa
That's true

Daft, isn't it - for all that Ore can make me eye rolly on Strictly when he pops up on Breakfast like yesterday, he reminds me why I do actually like him. Man has charisma in his day job.

I think TPTB might have backed the wrong Clifton.
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Old 29-11-2016, 09:38
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I think TPTB might have backed the wrong Clifton.
No, I am not a Clifton fan, but if Jwann won over her silly brother I'd find it very amusing. Just to see TTF's appalled fake smile would make my day.
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Old 29-11-2016, 11:49
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No, I am not a Clifton fan, but if Jwann won over her silly brother I'd find it very amusing. Just to see TTF's appalled fake smile would make my day.

More entertaining for me would be for the 2 Cliftons and Oti and Danny in the final. Doti lifts the glitter ball and Kevin and Joanne end up in a full blown punching and screaming brawl on the floor over who came second
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Old 29-11-2016, 11:55
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Then Brucie makes a surprise return brandishing The McFly Memorial Broom.
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Old 29-11-2016, 12:47
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Considering that the Producer seems happy to throw Joanne and Ore under the bus, possibly to deflect from their Pro Kevin Agenda, I'm fully expecting Joanne to be dressed as an Oompah Loompa
I find the treatment of Ore & Joanne utterly baffling (for the record I really like them). Some weeks they have been hyped to the hills and given very generous scores, others they get lumped with some absolutely dire music/theming/costumes and treated like an afterthought by the judges. It's bizarre. That Charleston was a complete mess by any stretch of the imagination - hideous concept!
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Old 29-11-2016, 14:54
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fully expect the producers to copy Laura and Vals set etc for Ore and Jo - looked ok but was a very odd waltz think FT will fit better - though don't like it when they copy DWTS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axmTPPwLmgo
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Old 29-11-2016, 15:01
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More entertaining for me would be for the 2 Cliftons and Oti and Danny in the final. Doti lifts the glitter ball and Kevin and Joanne end up in a full blown punching and screaming brawl on the floor over who came second
Should be no doubts this year if they follow the usual format for 3 couple final.
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Old 29-11-2016, 15:24
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No, I am not a Clifton fan, but if Jwann won over her silly brother I'd find it very amusing. Just to see TTF's appalled fake smile would make my day.
It would be entertaining, but not my first choice outcome.

More entertaining for me would be for the 2 Cliftons and Oti and Danny in the final. Doti lifts the glitter ball and Kevin and Joanne end up in a full blown punching and screaming brawl on the floor over who came second
This, on the other hand, is what I'm praying for! Although, on second thoughts, as it's a 3-person final we'll know who came second/third won't we?
edited to add - just seen Mona's post, she beat me to it!

Then Brucie makes a surprise return brandishing The McFly Memorial Broom.
Make. It. So.

I find the treatment of Ore & Joanne utterly baffling (for the record I really like them). Some weeks they have been hyped to the hills and given very generous scores, others they get lumped with some absolutely dire music/theming/costumes and treated like an afterthought by the judges. It's bizarre. That Charleston was a complete mess by any stretch of the imagination - hideous concept!
This has been perplexing me too. They seemed all set for a Danny-Ore-battling-it-out storyline then it seemed to get forgotten. Now it seems to be back again. Maybe they got distracted by Ed's usurpation of the Komedy Krown?
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Old 29-11-2016, 16:01
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More entertaining for me would be for the 2 Cliftons and Oti and Danny in the final. Doti lifts the glitter ball and Kevin and Joanne end up in a full blown punching and screaming brawl on the floor over who came second
The awful person that is in me somewhere would LOVE to see that!
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Old 29-11-2016, 17:14
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I find the treatment of Ore & Joanne utterly baffling (for the record I really like them). Some weeks they have been hyped to the hills and given very generous scores, others they get lumped with some absolutely dire music/theming/costumes and treated like an afterthought by the judges. It's bizarre. That Charleston was a complete mess by any stretch of the imagination - hideous concept!
I can't work it out for love nor money
They get a genuine NDB momentum going with the AS, jive and ... Waltz? ... and then derail it completely with the Charleston. I don't think they'll ever pull it back now, to be honest.

Everything about it was wrong. It was like it was a dance ear marked for another celeb shuffled across to them last minute.

I have wondered, if in the storyboard of the mind of TPTB they wanted a Mr&Mrs battle -not having learnt anything from the one they tried to engineer for the Jordan/Logan year - and were aiming to pit Kevin and Louise against Will and Karen?

The storylining this year has been odd - nothing seems to last longer than 2 weeks
Louise wears frumpier clothes than Mrs Overall then tah-dah leotard and leg warmers.
Nope, still no breakthrough let's try a Charleston.
Or an AT.
Rob Rinder is Komedy.
No, he's a NDB.
No, he's Komedy.
Ed is a NDB
No, he's Komedy ... no, that's Rob ... let's make Rob a NDB then
No, that's Greg - he's a NDB sportsman.
What about Ore?
He's a NDB ... oh heck.
What about the other woman?
Don't worry about them, they're all injured and dropping like flies.
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