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Old 04-12-2016, 15:20
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Apologies, didn't mean to transgress any rules. I was just sick of all the negativity and judgementalism out there and thought I'd vent in here. I'll keep it to myself in future.
It's the forum rules this thread has been closed down for doing it.

On the whole you don't agree with a thread or poster take it up with them.

I have a big issue with one of the threads out there, wrote a post on that thread and then thought oh sod it, it's really not worth it.

I find though the act of replying to the post even if you do delete the reply without posting it is very cathartic.

One can vent beautifully, win every argument say absolutely everything you want, then delete it because you realise it's just not worth it.
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:31
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Me too. I had never heard of him before SCD, don't watch ITT (can't stand Zoe Ball) or read celeb sections in newspapers. I have been impressed with his work ethic as shown on the SCD clips, love his dancing and relationship with Oti and like the way he roots for the other dancers. He's usually one of the first to hug the outgoing couples, is always shown applauding in the Clauditorium etc.

It may be that he is genuinely not sure of his ability, hence his comments, but being an actor when he is on stage he switches it on and performs. He always acknowledges the judges' criticisms of the bits where he goes wrong.
That's the difference between him and Louise, for me.
He doesn't just say he is enjoying it, it shines through in his performance. There is usually a point in every dance when he and Oti catch each other's eye and just smile for the sheer joy of it
I know I'm a dancing philistine but I'd rather see someone not so medal standard proficient and loving it, than someone technically correct but insular in the dance.

Also would like to unappreciate Clowdier's face paint. It made her dance rather expressionless and I don't think that helped her.
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Old 04-12-2016, 15:51
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That's the difference between him and Louise, for me.
He doesn't just say he is enjoying it, it shines through in his performance. There is usually a point in every dance when he and Oti catch each other's eye and just smile for the sheer joy of it
I know I'm a dancing philistine but I'd rather see someone not so medal standard proficient and loving it, than someone technically correct but insular in the dance.

Also would like to unappreciate Clowdier's face paint. It made her dance rather expressionless and I don't think that helped her.
Exactly. For me, Louise is another Kerplunk, Ali Bastien or Rachel Stevens. Technically proficient perhaps (though I'm not sure Louise is of their standard) but cold. The dancers I remember for good reasons (eg not the likes of Lisa Snowdon or Anne Widdicombe) are the ones who just exude joy while dancing. Alesha Dixon, Tom Chambers in his showdance, Chris Hollins, Chelsee, people like that. Not necessarily the best technically but I really loved watching them, because they were having such a good time.
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Old 04-12-2016, 16:12
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I don't think the poster was referring to success though, but to the outward appearance of Danny saying each week he was struggling, or something was going to go wrong etc, then producing an almost perfect routine each week.

I may be wrong but that was my interpretation of their comment.

I'm another who Danny has grown on and that's purely from his performance on show night. I don't watch ITT, don't read the papers etc, so my opinion of him has come from the reactions I've seen him have on the night and how he interacts with the others in Cloud Nine. He seems a really nice, fairly quiet bloke who likes dancing and is pretty good at it.
Danny has grown on me too. To start I thought he was going to be nothing more than a vacuous adonis (and as I write that I am wondering at myself in a "what's not to like" kind of way. ) who happened to have gone to stage school. But as the weeks have gone on he has filled out and I have found him (and Oti of course ) quite entertaining and endearing on ITT. Ok he's never going to be Noam Chomsky but he's not the male bimbo/good looking and thinks he is something I had expected.
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Old 04-12-2016, 16:15
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That's very harsh. The whole purpose of a forum like this is to express an opinion. I don't agree with a lot of stuff I see on these boards, especially the pink & fluffy stuff up in the attic, but I just avoid it. Just because I don't agree with it, doesn't make it crap.



I really liked the fact that he was shocked by his 10s. Way better than the constant begging for 10s for Cloudia & AJ, as if everyone gets them at some point regardless of the quality of their dancing.
Agreed with the second paragraph.
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Old 04-12-2016, 16:19
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Exactly. For me, Louise is another Kerplunk, Ali Bastien or Rachel Stevens. Technically proficient perhaps (though I'm not sure Louise is of their standard) but cold. The dancers I remember for good reasons (eg not the likes of Lisa Snowdon or Anne Widdicombe) are the ones who just exude joy while dancing. Alesha Dixon, Tom Chambers in his showdance, Chris Hollins, Chelsee, people like that. Not necessarily the best technically but I really loved watching them, because they were having such a good time.
I agree with you. Heck, even the dancing wardrobe looked like he was enjoying himself (hey - that's the first positive comment I've made about him in over ten years - CALL MY THERAPIST!). Just a shame that I wasn't, ever (aaaand we're back).

Harking back to last year, for all the claptrap spouted about Jay needing to emote and not projecting his performance, for me, a clear love of what he was doing shone through. Never did I feel that he was going through the motions and just performing technically as I do with Louise. It was often understated, yes, but the sheer enjoyment of the dance was still evident.

In fact, thinking of last year makes me want to unappreciate that last night's meh fest has made me nostalgic for Kellie's barroom brawl VW, Georgia's dancing teapots and Helen's crowd scene paso complete with 2 million extras. This is not something I was expecting to happen.
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Old 04-12-2016, 16:41
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I agree with you. Heck, even the dancing wardrobe looked like he was enjoying himself (hey - that's the first positive comment I've made about him in over ten years - CALL MY THERAPIST!).
It was his one redeeming feature, and the reason i was never quite as anti-him as the rest of you. Though COLINWUZZROBBED4EVA.

Harking back to last year, for all the claptrap spouted about Jay needing to emote and not projecting his performance, for me, a clear love of what he was doing shone through. Never did I feel that he was going through the motions and just performing technically as I do with Louise. It was often understated, yes, but the sheer enjoyment of the dance was still evident.
Therein lay the problem. SCD just doesn't do understated.

In fact, thinking of last year makes me want to unappreciate that last night's meh fest has made me nostalgic for Kellie's barroom brawl VW, Georgia's dancing teapots and Helen's crowd scene paso complete with 2 million extras. This is not something I was expecting to happen.
Nurse! Someone needs their medication...
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:01
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In fact, thinking of last year makes me want to unappreciate that last night's meh fest has made me nostalgic for Kellie's barroom brawl VW, Georgia's dancing teapots and Helen's crowd scene paso complete with 2 million extras. This is not something I was expecting to happen.
Don't think I can't hear you in here.

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Old 04-12-2016, 17:09
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Helen WUZZROBBED!

Seriously after she was left/ forced out last year the whole show the next week felt very flat.

This coming week we will in all likelyhood have Ore, Louise, Claudia and Danni. It certainly not my preferred final 3 and 3 of those I don't think have it in them to carry the show.

The only one of those I will actually look forward to will be Danni.

There was an article written by Ed, you know the Economist and strategic thinker, the lecturer at Harvard and London School of Economics, not just the dancer 😀. Apparently he and JR worked out the increasing weighting attributable to the judges scores the fewer dancers there are in the competition.

Perhaps some clever mathematical type could let us on in what he meant?

It does seem that Ed's public popularity kept him in for weeks and then despite having only one poor dance he left on that dance.

Ditto Helen, that impossible paso , poor judges scores and oof out she goes.

If it is that the lower scorers can't be kept in as it seems Ed was suggesting it does seem very unfair.
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:10
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That's the difference between him and Louise, for me.
He doesn't just say he is enjoying it, it shines through in his performance. There is usually a point in every dance when he and Oti catch each other's eye and just smile for the sheer joy of it
I know I'm a dancing philistine but I'd rather see someone not so medal standard proficient and loving it, than someone technically correct but insular in the dance.

Also would like to unappreciate Clowdier's face paint. It made her dance rather expressionless and I don't think that helped her.
Yup Danny and Oti make me want to leap up and join in, Louise and Kevin make me look at his hairline, wonder about her dresses and I've forgotten the dance pretty much as soon as it ends. I just couldn't with the cowboy thing, saw the outfits and decided for the sake of my sanity to avoid it
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:23
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Danny has grown on me too. To start I thought he was going to be nothing more than a vacuous adonis (and as I write that I am wondering at myself in a "what's not to like" kind of way. ) who happened to have gone to stage school. But as the weeks have gone on he has filled out and I have found him (and Oti of course ) quite entertaining and endearing on ITT. Ok he's never going to be Noam Chomsky but he's not the male bimbo/good looking and thinks he is something I had expected.
Absolutely. He has a quietly snarky sense of humour, and enough self sufficiency to enjoy Oti's determined charge to the Glitterball and his part as a mere pawn in its delivery. He accepts and embraces her tough love approach and gets on with it, without needing constant hand holding and coddling. His lack of expectation re high marks may simply be that he knows enough to know what constitutes really good dancing, and how he may have fallen short. I read somewhere - no, not the daily fail - that he wasn't considered good at dancing at Arts Ed, and scraped through that part of the course. That might also explain a slight diffidence re high marks...

In short, having forced a himbo stereotype on him at the start, I would be more than happy if he won.
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:25
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Helen WUZZROBBED!

Seriously after she was left/ forced out last year the whole show the next week felt very flat.

This coming week we will in all likelyhood have Ore, Louise, Claudia and Danni. It certainly not my preferred final 3 and 3 of those I don't think have it in them to carry the show.

The only one of those I will actually look forward to will be Danni.

There was an article written by Ed, you know the Economist and strategic thinker, the lecturer at Harvard and London School of Economics, not just the dancer 😀. Apparently he and JR worked out the increasing weighting attributable to the judges scores the fewer dancers there are in the competition.

Perhaps some clever mathematical type could let us on in what he meant?

It does seem that Ed's public popularity kept him in for weeks and then despite having only one poor dance he left on that dance.

Ditto Helen, that impossible paso , poor judges scores and oof out she goes.

If it is that the lower scorers don't be kept in as it seems Ed was suggesting it does seem very unfair.
Totally with you re Helen.
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:27
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And you know this because .......?????
The whole purpose of a forum like this is to express an opinion.
So there you go: it's an opinion.
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:29
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Totally with you re Helen.
Me too.
For someone so supposedly quiet and expendable, she left a very big gap the week after
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:30
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I think the show suffered from a lack of Ed this week
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:36
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I think the show suffered from a lack of Ed this week
Too true. If RobDOT goes this week the rest of the competition is going to feel flat. Danny is the only one who has the performance factor. Ore and Cloudier are too hit and miss, and Twimsy, well, is just Twimsy......
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:40
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I see the similarity between Danny and Jay. Someone summed it up when they said that they occasionally see Danny smile at Oti mid-routine from the sheer joy of dancing and that reminded me of the moment last year during Jay's jive when he had his back to the judges and he broke character to grin at Aliona. I felt then that it was a true, "how brilliant is it to be doing this?" smile and I get something of the same vibe from Danny. I'm another one who has gone from dismissing him as this year's blank canvas beefcake to appreciating his down-to-earth approach which, I think, has him embracing Oti's vision for each dance and taking seriously the physical effort required to realise it (the former is where Louise falls down for me - she always seems to be on the verge of apologising for Kevin breaking into that unseemly dancing palaver while she's trying to have a nice cup of tea) but never tips over into "Strictly is my WHOLE WORLD" gush-gush overload territory.
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:40
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Yup Danny and Oti make me want to leap up and join in, Louise and Kevin make me look at his hairline, wonder about her dresses and I've forgotten the dance pretty much as soon as it ends. I just couldn't with the cowboy thing, saw the outfits and decided for the sake of my sanity to avoid it
I'm someone who spent my childhood adventuring with El Khobar, spent a day in Brigadoon, wanted to be Laurey and ocassionally Annie with a potato gun, attempted to dance the barn raising on the couch (this did not go well at all. Mum still holds that over me) but a dance that should have had me joining in, just left me cold (apart from the bit where she takes his hat off and possibly revealed an incipient bald spot).

I spent most of the time counting the dance styles (foot slapping Morris - is it the most versatile non dance in Strictly history - AT and now QS, barn dance, polka ...) and wondering if any of the judges remembered calling Oti/Danny out for spending too much time out of hold in their QS.
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:46
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I see the similarity between Danny and Jay. Someone summed it up when they said that they occasionally see Danny smile at Oti mid-routine from the sheer joy of dancing and that reminded me of the moment last year during Jay's jive when he had his back to the judges and he broke character to grin at Aliona. I felt then that it was a true, "how brilliant is it to be doing this?" smile and I get something of the same vibe from Danny. I'm another one who has gone from dismissing him as this year's blank canvas beefcake to appreciating his down-to-earth approach which, I think, has him embracing Oti's vision for each dance and taking seriously the physical effort required to realise it (the former is where Louise falls down for me - she always seems to be on the verge of apologising for Kevin breaking into that unseemly dancing palaver while she's trying to have a nice cup of tea) but never tips over into "Strictly is my WHOLE WORLD" gush-gush overload territory.
Well in that respect she has my sympathy. Corny and kitch are an acquired tastes I expect. I think I might try to convey my apology through my dance too.
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Old 04-12-2016, 17:48
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I think the show suffered from a lack of Ed this week
I loved Ed and Katya's contributions to this year's series. However, they easily got much further than anyone expected, and when I started seeing unkind tweets on Katya's page (what has she done to deserve those?), then I'm glad they're out of it. There are certain rules apparently: only some of the entrants are allowed to get to the business end. Bit odd really.
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Old 04-12-2016, 18:03
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Don't be sorry. I doubt you will be alone. Its quite a British thing not to like people who try or appear to try too hard or at least it isn't if they succeed. We warm to people who aren't very good and even more to those that try hard and still aren't very good. But we seem to recoil from excellence or success. I have often wondered why we are so uncomfortable with winners.
All of the above. You're just not allowed to be good, to try too hard and then to get even better. And to be happy about your achievement. Such utter pants!

I'm glad I'm not British. Faux humility is sooo over rated!
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Old 04-12-2016, 18:05
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I see the similarity between Danny and Jay. Someone summed it up when they said that they occasionally see Danny smile at Oti mid-routine from the sheer joy of dancing and that reminded me of the moment last year during Jay's jive when he had his back to the judges and he broke character to grin at Aliona. I felt then that it was a true, "how brilliant is it to be doing this?" smile and I get something of the same vibe from Danny. I'm another one who has gone from dismissing him as this year's blank canvas beefcake to appreciating his down-to-earth approach which, I think, has him embracing Oti's vision for each dance and taking seriously the physical effort required to realise it
Great post DeltaBlues.
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Old 04-12-2016, 19:20
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Helen WUZZROBBED!

Seriously after she was left/ forced out last year the whole show the next week felt very flat.

This coming week we will in all likelyhood have Ore, Louise, Claudia and Danni. It certainly not my preferred final 3 and 3 of those I don't think have it in them to carry the show.

The only one of those I will actually look forward to will be Danni.

There was an article written by Ed, you know the Economist and strategic thinker, the lecturer at Harvard and London School of Economics, not just the dancer 😀. Apparently he and JR worked out the increasing weighting attributable to the judges scores the fewer dancers there are in the competition.

Perhaps some clever mathematical type could let us on in what he meant?

It does seem that Ed's public popularity kept him in for weeks and then despite having only one poor dance he left on that dance.

Ditto Helen, that impossible paso , poor judges scores and oof out she goes.

If it is that the lower scorers can't be kept in as it seems Ed was suggesting it does seem very unfair.
Totally agree. That's why I think the couples should be allowed to have a 'DO Dance'
otherwise bad Latin dance and if you are in the DO with a ballroom person, then no chance, that is not fair.
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Old 04-12-2016, 19:21
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Evening all. *mwah*
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Old 04-12-2016, 19:22
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mwah 😘😘
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