This is Most Definitely Not An Appreciation Thread - Part 23

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kassieq

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by sofakat:
“.I concur. That was not an AT routine and nothing about it was AT quite frankly. It was a made up dance. I have never been on to pick apart dances anyway.

I judge each one as a whole, because it's not just about steps but about musicality, control, emotion, finesse, interpretation and the dancer's own unique style.

My good friend David J (we always dance together when we meet at milongas) is a very analytical man - a science/tech/numbers guy - whom loves to take things part and put them back together again. I am the complete opposite being a creative, and look at dance with a different eye.”

I don't normally pick a dance apart, but that was just too dire and too many were raving about it.

Does DJ still have his blog, and does he still watch strictly, I thought he had given it up.

marinamau

06-12-2015

The thing is even as a non AT, as a freestyle dance I thought of it ugly and a vulgar.

SaraV1308

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I am itching to start a Least favourite poll for this week.

Would highlight how the various supporters have firmed up their anti choice.”

Originally Posted by marinamau:
“I can tell you Jay would win that poll too!
Specially this week. Whoever tops the leaderboard and it's not their favourite...
”

This would be interesting but I sort of agree with Marinamau.

Oh the joy of DS at the latter stages of SCD. This will only get worse.

SaraV1308

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by marinamau:
“The thing is even as a non AT, as a freestyle dance I thought of it ugly and a vulgar.”

Agreed.

Can you imagine the sort of show dance we will be getting from Gleb if they get to the final?

aggs

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by marinamau:
“The thing is even as a non AT, as a freestyle dance I thought of it ugly and a vulgar.”

Me too - even as an American Smooth AT it missed the mark. Have watched it again to see if I'm mis-remembering ... but it was just tacky - and badly danced tacky at that.

At least we have an answer to the 'can Gleb make any dance all about him?' question. Yes. Yes he can.

aggs

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by SaraV1308:
“Agreed.

Can you imagine the sort of show dance we will be getting from Gleb if they get to the final?”

The Chippendales? Velcro trousers? An couple of embarrassed backing dancers tippy toeing around as a bottle of baby oil and a can of squirty cream? Anita sat in the front row of the audience?

BMLisa

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by aggs:
“The Chippendales? Velcro trousers? An couple of embarrassed backing dancers tippy toeing around as a bottle of baby oil and a can of squirty cream? Anita sat in the front row of the audience?”

Brilliant

Agent Krycek

06-12-2015

Any, but probably all, of the above

Monaogg

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by SaraV1308:
“This would be interesting but I sort of agree with Marinamau.

Oh the joy of DS at the latter stages of SCD. This will only get worse.”

I couldn't resist

marinamau

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by aggs:
“Me too - even as an American Smooth AT it missed the mark. Have watched it again to see if I'm mis-remembering ... but it was just tacky - and badly danced tacky at that.

At least we have an answer to the 'can Gleb make any dance all about him?' question. Yes. Yes he can.”

I don't even want to rewatch it. I have done several dances of Anita's (I liked very much her waltz and her As (minus the crawly thingy) and i could manage the paso just to check on details.
But this one, it was a horror. It's just so vulgar. (Anita isn't vulgar but whole set up and even the end was

Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I couldn't resist ”

Hey, I couldn't resist voting.

fridgesoup

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“The mechanics, for want of a better word, are achieved by a number of factors. In the first instance the couple are leaning into one another. Not leaning on, one another, each needs ot be on their own balance point, but there is a sort of shared axis that is between the couple. (Imagine a plumb bob hanging exactly betwwen them). Once they have this shared axis the slightest movement in the mans torso is felt by the woman. Her golden rule is to stay in front of him where ever he goes. So as she feel him move his chest ( and its more of a change in tension or energy than actual moving) she moves to stay in front - hence the mirror.

Also because the upper bodies are fixed and solid (or supposed to be) in a constant and firm frame, if he moves the energy travels through her body to the point of least resistance which is her free leg. So her leg moves in response to the energy generated from his chest. You can't see it but you sure can feel it and your leg will move almost of its own volition. And that ladies and gentleman is the essence of the magic of this dance.”

Just popping in to thank you for this explanation, Anthro. It's lifts the veil of confuddledom a little for this non-dancer

sofakat

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by kassieq:
“I don't normally pick a dance apart, but that was just too dire and too many were raving about it.

Does DJ still have his blog, and does he still watch strictly, I thought he had given it up.”

I doubt that he does. He got so fed up with the whole thing and bored with DS. Besides which he is too busy working all day and teaching AT in his spare time.

He runs lots of AT events and is a very committed teacher - hence his ability to dissect each step and move (not something which is natural in AT because it is very organic and there are so many styles).

That is the other aspect of AT. It is evolving across the world with young dancers playing with ideas and adding their own interpretation to AT. It can vary enormously according to whether a couple dances milonguero style, or Salon, or Nuevo. Easier to show you in fact.

Here's a very 'European' loose nuevo style AT video of Mariano and Alejandra, who are considered to be very hip and cool. This is contemporary AT - a much more open hold, looser movements, a more casual feel but still stylised. See what I mean?

Note though that the feet are still controlled, neat and precise and his lead strong and clean. She knows exactly what he wants her to do and is utterly focused on him.

Chezza P

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by sofakat:
“I doubt that he does. He got so fed up with the whole thing and bored with DS. Besides which he is too busy working all day and teaching AT in his spare time.

He runs lots of AT events and is a very committed teacher - hence his ability to dissect each step and move (not something which is natural in AT because it is very organic and there are so many styles).

That is the other aspect of AT. It is evolving across the world with young dancers playing with ideas and adding their own interpretation to AT. It can vary enormously according to whether a couple dances milonguero style, or Salon, or Nuevo. Easier to show you in fact.

Here's a very 'European' loose nuevo style AT video of Mariano and Alejandra, who are considered to be very hip and cool. This is contemporary AT - a much more open hold, looser movements, a more casual feel but still stylised. See what I mean?

Note though that the feet are still controlled, neat and precise and his lead strong and clean. She knows exactly what he wants her to do and is utterly focused on him.”

Thanks for this Sofs, very interesting

Kmc1978

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I am itching to start a Least favourite poll for this week.

Would highlight how the various supporters have firmed up their anti choice.”

Do it. I'm actually interested to see who people vote for now that Peter is out as he was 'winning' that poll most weeks.

Originally Posted by marinamau:
“The thing is even as a non AT, as a freestyle dance I thought of it ugly and a vulgar.”

Me too. It was much like Kellie's salsa last week as a visual experience.

Monkseal

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by Kmc1978:
“Do it. I'm actually interested to see who people vote for now that Peter is out as he was 'winning' that poll most weeks..”

It's been done. The projected Jay win on the other hand...

Agent Krycek

06-12-2015

Yeah, I really don't want to see that again, but if they make the final we will, but more

I think he's done Anita a massive disservice this year, I could quite happily loose him for next year, but he'll be back I'm sure

marinamau

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“It's been done. The projected Jay win on the other hand...”

Oh no! I want Jay to win every single poll!!!!

Kmc1978

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by Monkseal:
“It's been done. The projected Jay win on the other hand...”

Yeah, just saw it. Didn't expect Jay to win that one myself anyway, he's generally scored the least in that poll along with Georgia. The others have all taken their turns being around 3rd on it though (after Peter and Jamelia) iirc & so it does become a more interesting poll now that the series 'villan' is out.

Alli-F

06-12-2015

At least we finally got a dance I had to watch from behind a cushion. 😱😂 After so many false starts and promising training footage, they all turned out to be properly meh, but this one was gloriously horrific! I had full on girly shrivel, peering through my fingers, 😱 face, so I guess the moral of the story is, if you're going to be that bad, make sure you do it with gusto.

Gill P

06-12-2015

Post of the week?

Monkseal

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by Kmc1978:
“Yeah, just saw it. Didn't expect Jay to win that one myself anyway, he's generally scored the least in that poll along with Georgia. The others have all taken their turns being around 3rd on it though (after Peter and Jamelia) iirc & so it does become a more interesting poll now that the series 'villan' is out.”

Jason Gilkison's still there though?

marinamau

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by Alli-F:
“At least we finally got a dance I had to watch from behind a cushion. 😱😂 After so many false starts and promising training footage, they all turned out to be properly meh, but this one was gloriously horrific! I had full on girly shrivel, peering through my fingers, 😱 face, so I guess the moral of the story is, if you're going to be that bad, make sure you do it with gusto.”

And the Show The Vagina lift did appear though it was brief so no long term scaring.

Kmc1978

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by Agent Krycek:
“
I think he's done Anita a massive disservice this year, I could quite happily loose him for next year, but he'll be back I'm sure ”

I wasn't keen on him on dwts either. Some have said that they thought he was lovely to his duffer on there but I felt like he was being a little backhanded & sly, although tbf, his partner was a pain. Wasn't happy that he came over to scd & wouldn't mind in the slightest if he moved on to another version elsewhere again. I think he wants dwts again ultimately anyway.

DeltaBlues

06-12-2015

Originally Posted by Gill P:
“Post of the week? ”

I've already added it to the POTD thread, it made me

Gill P

06-12-2015

Great!

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