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Turkey ceased violating EU airpsace since it downed Russian Jet
Turkey has ceased illegal violations of EU airspace since the it downed the Russian jet:
https://www.rt.com/news/323861-turkey-greek-airspace-violations/
Before this incident with the Russian jet, Turkey violated EU airspace over 2000 times last year.
https://www.rt.com/news/323861-turkey-greek-airspace-violations/
Before this incident with the Russian jet, Turkey violated EU airspace over 2000 times last year.
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The day I take rt news as anything other than Russian Propaganda, is the day I ice skate through hell.
The data was provided by the Greek military.
http://www.geetha.mil.gr/en/violations/violations-of-national-airspace-infringements-of-air-traffic-regulations-icao-en.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2015/11/26/turkish-jets-violated-greek-airspace-over-2000-times-last-year-infographic/
http://www.theweek.co.uk/67305/turkey-violated-greek-airspace-more-than-2000-times-last-year
Can you point out where this has stopped happening? That's the part that interests me, these incursions I suspect are over disputed territory.
The grey zones Turkey created in the 1970s were more about refusing to acknowledge Greek and later EU air and sea borders and to bring certain islands into dispute. Turkey still refuses to acknowledge these borders. To put it into context Turkey itself claims 10 miles airspace around its landmass - however it dispute's Greece's right to do the same - even in places like Corfu - which is next to Italy and no where close to Turkey . These bullyboy tactics have ceased since the Russian jet was blown out the sky according to the Greek military. Maybe Turkey is turning over a new leaf - or maybe it has to do with the Russian S-400 air defence system now sitting just below the Aegean.
You know the world is a strange place when Russia is defending EU borders better than the EU..
Lets be honest, it's greek territory. making out it's EU is like making out we're aat war. This is a dispute between greece and turkey that is long long running. Apart from the odd confrontation (Greece shooting down a turkish plane years ago), it's basically your usual confrontation on a territory.
The question is, where are the facts that all these confrontations have stopped? That's what I would like to know and secondly, if they have it probably because they want to calm the situation down, knowing Greece may think they could let loose a couple of A2A missiles.
lol. Are you a Russian board plant.
The EU doesn't have a standing army, it's borders are national interests. Turkey isn't threatening anyone but those who come close to their borders or in them (take it which way who you believe), who are targeting their chosen Militia in Syria.
Turkey may not be peoples cup'O'tea, but other than Greece, no one sees Turkey as a threat apart from UKIP, and that's for reason of immigration
Greek territory is EU territory. Greece claims a 10 mile air border the way Turkey does, however Turkey since the 1970s started a program of disputing Greek territory.
This dispute is not long running, it was engineered in the 1970s. Before that Turkey claimed no Greek sovereign land.
It is not up to Turkey to decide whether Greece is allowed 10 miles around its territory, but because of the enabling of Turkish ambitions and bullying by the EU, UN and NATO - it seems the Greek EU border has been hung out to dry. However, since Putin entered the region, that has mysteriously stopped.
He has had numerous people charged with insulting the president - something last seen in Europe under certain German & Italian leaders, and threatened to close all theatres due to a perceived insult to his daughter. He has directly allowed IS recruits to flow through Turkey unhindered, and allowed them to return for medical treatment. He is allowing Turkish companies run by his son & allies to trade with IS adding billions to their war chest. He has deliberately allowed migrants from Muslim countries via the (no checks) E-Visa system to flow into Istanbul and then cross into Greece to try and force the EU to allow Turkey to accede. Yep, no threat at all.
nope. The Eu doesn't have a territory. It has nation states. Greece and Turkey both hate each other. It a local thing. It similar to Gibraltar is with spain. The EU is a political entity currently, not a federal state. Although given time it probably will be, until then Turkey and Greece probably no doubt duck and dive in each others territory.
Regardless, no one outside of those countries really cares, and I've yet to see any actual facts to back up the original post that it has stopped happening.
The first link provided states there have been no incursions since 25/11.
no it doesn't. It only shows up to that date.
Not remotely true. These two coutries have come close to war over violations. If you believe Greece has violated Turkish territory, can you please provide a link of some description. Otherwise you just come across another Turkish enabler.
Finally, you say that no one besides Greece has problems with Turkey and 'borders.'
Lets just bring some harsh reality to bleach out that statement,
Turkey violates Armenian Airspace
Plenty more the more you dig. Turkey has a Neo Ottoman Government that has been emboldened by the West. Sadly countries like Armenia, Syria and Greece are fodder.
FRONTEX was invented to defend and secure EU borders.
from your link
But back to the incidents in question. This article states Turkey say Greece infringe, Greece say they infringe. It's because it is a border dispute.
The next question is, what is your point whether or not they have or still infringe a contested border area? Greece are not actively bombing turkey's borders, Turkey aren't bombing greece.
Russia however is certainly bombing people Turkey classes as friends.
Edit:
FRONTEX was invented to defend and secure EU borders.
Frontex is an immigration department that the member states recognise to help with patrolling external borders. Every member state controls its own national security. The EU is not a state. I'm not sure you understand that.
agree Greece and Turkey have a long history of war and disputes. Greece wants Turkey out of Cyprus and lands taken returned to the Greek Cypriots therefore there is always going to be conflict between the two. Due to Russians investing a lot of money in land, property and banks in Cyprus, Greece now has a lot of Russian support. Turkey is now showing a "small fist" at Russia to test other countries support without making any commitment.
Not at all.
Where exactly?
Feel free to ascertain as to whether or not the site is updated on a daily basis. Let me know what you find.
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Well said, PrestonAl.
Since the downing of that Russian Su-24 warplane that violated Turkish airspace, Russia Today, judging by its (poor quality) output, has now become the, "Let's hate Turkey" channel. It's just a very crude state propaganda channel.
It's ok, I'll wait a few days. Maybe they'll do it. If not, perhaps you can give them a call so you can keep the peace between greece and turkey.
Looks like there have been, as suspected. it was only the actual table that was out of date and that the OP relying on russian Media for news is probably not the best.
From your link
http://www.geetha.mil.gr/en/violations/violations-of-national-airspace-infringements-of-air-traffic-regulations-icao-en.html
Is it just me, or is the idea of..
HELLENIC NATIONAL DEFENCE GENERAL STAFF
using a gmail address many levels of wrong?
It seems utterly ridiculous. Could you imagine the MoD using a hotmail account. They would be the laughing stock. then again, it is greece. They've probably had to sell the server farm to pay for lunch.