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Turkey ceased violating EU airpsace since it downed Russian Jet

DrivethruDrivethru Posts: 1,064
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Turkey has ceased illegal violations of EU airspace since the it downed the Russian jet:

https://www.rt.com/news/323861-turkey-greek-airspace-violations/

Before this incident with the Russian jet, Turkey violated EU airspace over 2000 times last year.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Drivethru wrote: »
    Turkey has ceased illegal violations of EU airspace since the it downed the Russian jet:

    https://www.rt.com/news/323861-turkey-greek-airspace-violations/

    Before this incident with the Russian jet, Turkey violated EU airspace over 2000 times last year.

    The day I take rt news as anything other than Russian Propaganda, is the day I ice skate through hell.
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    DrivethruDrivethru Posts: 1,064
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    Often the Turkish Jets fly directly over sovereign EU land like Lesbos and Chios. The Turkish Navy also violates sea borders.

    The grey zones Turkey created in the 1970s were more about refusing to acknowledge Greek and later EU air and sea borders and to bring certain islands into dispute. Turkey still refuses to acknowledge these borders. To put it into context Turkey itself claims 10 miles airspace around its landmass - however it dispute's Greece's right to do the same - even in places like Corfu - which is next to Italy and no where close to Turkey . These bullyboy tactics have ceased since the Russian jet was blown out the sky according to the Greek military. Maybe Turkey is turning over a new leaf - or maybe it has to do with the Russian S-400 air defence system now sitting just below the Aegean.

    You know the world is a strange place when Russia is defending EU borders better than the EU..
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Drivethru wrote: »
    Often the Turkish Jets fly directly over sovereign EU land like Lesbos and Chios. The Turkish Navy also violates ea borders. The grey zones Turkey created in the 1970s were more about refusing to acknowledge Greek and later EU air and sea borders. Turkey still refuses to acknowledge these borders. To put it into context Turkey itself claims 10 miles airspace around its landmass - however it dispute's Greece's right to do the same. These bullyboy tactics have ceased since the Russian jet was blown out the sky according to the Greek military. Maybe Turkey is turning over a new leaf - or maybe it has to do with the Russia any air defence system now sitting just below the Aegean.

    Lets be honest, it's greek territory. making out it's EU is like making out we're aat war. This is a dispute between greece and turkey that is long long running. Apart from the odd confrontation (Greece shooting down a turkish plane years ago), it's basically your usual confrontation on a territory.

    The question is, where are the facts that all these confrontations have stopped? That's what I would like to know and secondly, if they have it probably because they want to calm the situation down, knowing Greece may think they could let loose a couple of A2A missiles.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Drivethru wrote: »

    You know the world is a strange place when Russia is defending EU borders better than the EU..

    lol. Are you a Russian board plant.

    The EU doesn't have a standing army, it's borders are national interests. Turkey isn't threatening anyone but those who come close to their borders or in them (take it which way who you believe), who are targeting their chosen Militia in Syria.

    Turkey may not be peoples cup'O'tea, but other than Greece, no one sees Turkey as a threat apart from UKIP, and that's for reason of immigration
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    DrivethruDrivethru Posts: 1,064
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    Lets be honest, it's greek territory. making out it's EU is like making out we're aat war.

    Greek territory is EU territory. Greece claims a 10 mile air border the way Turkey does, however Turkey since the 1970s started a program of disputing Greek territory.

    This dispute is not long running, it was engineered in the 1970s. Before that Turkey claimed no Greek sovereign land.

    It is not up to Turkey to decide whether Greece is allowed 10 miles around its territory, but because of the enabling of Turkish ambitions and bullying by the EU, UN and NATO - it seems the Greek EU border has been hung out to dry. However, since Putin entered the region, that has mysteriously stopped.
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    jzeejzee Posts: 25,498
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    Turkey may not be peoples cup'O'tea, but other than Greece, no one sees Turkey as a threat apart from UKIP, and that's for reason of immigration
    Erdogan is a fascist driven by Islamist motives, vast swathes of police, magistrates, judges & journalists have been locked up under his regime, he has launched a massive campaign of oppression & murder against Kurds after their party blocked his getting a majority to change the constitution - just yesterday a prominent Kurdish human rights lawyer was murdered just months after hundreds of Kurds were murdered in Ankara. He is killing Kurds in Syria & Iraq who are the most effective opposition to IS.

    He has had numerous people charged with insulting the president - something last seen in Europe under certain German & Italian leaders, and threatened to close all theatres due to a perceived insult to his daughter. He has directly allowed IS recruits to flow through Turkey unhindered, and allowed them to return for medical treatment. He is allowing Turkish companies run by his son & allies to trade with IS adding billions to their war chest. He has deliberately allowed migrants from Muslim countries via the (no checks) E-Visa system to flow into Istanbul and then cross into Greece to try and force the EU to allow Turkey to accede. Yep, no threat at all.
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    DotheboyshallDotheboyshall Posts: 40,583
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    jzee wrote: »
    Erdogan is a fascist driven by Islamist motives, vast swathes of police, magistrates, judges & journalists have been locked up under his regime, he has launched a massive campaign of oppression & murder against Kurds after their party blocked his getting a majority to change the constitution
    Sounds like every regime backed by the West since 1945.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Drivethru wrote: »
    Greek territory is EU territory. Greece claims a 10 mile air border the way Turkey does, however Turkey since the 1970s started a program of disputing Greek territory.

    This dispute is not long running, it was engineered in the 1970s. Before that Turkey claimed no Greek sovereign land.

    It is not up to Turkey to decide whether Greece is allowed 10 miles around its territory, but because of the enabling of Turkish ambitions and bullying by the EU, UN and NATO - it seems the Greek EU border has been hung out to dry. However, since Putin entered the region, that has mysteriously stopped.

    nope. The Eu doesn't have a territory. It has nation states. Greece and Turkey both hate each other. It a local thing. It similar to Gibraltar is with spain. The EU is a political entity currently, not a federal state. Although given time it probably will be, until then Turkey and Greece probably no doubt duck and dive in each others territory.

    Regardless, no one outside of those countries really cares, and I've yet to see any actual facts to back up the original post that it has stopped happening.
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    nainznainz Posts: 1,777
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    Can you point out where this has stopped happening? That's the part that interests me, these incursions I suspect are over disputed territory.

    The first link provided states there have been no incursions since 25/11.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    nainz wrote: »
    The first link provided states there have been no incursions since 25/11.

    no it doesn't. It only shows up to that date.
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    DrivethruDrivethru Posts: 1,064
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    nope. The Eu doesn't have a territory. It has nation states. Greece and Turkey both hate each other. It a local thing. It similar to Gibraltar is with spain.

    Not remotely true. These two coutries have come close to war over violations. If you believe Greece has violated Turkish territory, can you please provide a link of some description. Otherwise you just come across another Turkish enabler.

    Finally, you say that no one besides Greece has problems with Turkey and 'borders.'

    Lets just bring some harsh reality to bleach out that statement,

    Turkey violates Armenian Airspace

    Plenty more the more you dig. Turkey has a Neo Ottoman Government that has been emboldened by the West. Sadly countries like Armenia, Syria and Greece are fodder.

    FRONTEX was invented to defend and secure EU borders.
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    jzeejzee Posts: 25,498
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    Sounds like every regime backed by the West since 1945.
    Most of those were secular. The unquestioning backing of Islamist Saudi Arabia since then is exactly what has reaped this whirlwind we now find ourselves in. The unremitting backing of Wahabbist & other aggressive ultra conservative Sunni Islamic movements by Saudi Arabia & other Gulf States has created a time bomb in the west.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Drivethru wrote: »
    Not remotely true. These two coutries have come close to war over violations. If you believe Greece has violated Turkish territory, can you please provide a link of some description.

    Finally, you say that no one besides Greece has problems with Turkey and 'borders.'

    Lets just bring some harsh reality to bleach out that statement,

    Turkey violates Armenian Airspace

    Plenty more the more you dig. Turkey has a Neo Ottoman Government that has been emboldened by the West. Sadly countries like Armenia, Syria and Greece are fodder.

    from your link
    rare incidents on or near the border raise deep concerns in Armenia.

    But back to the incidents in question. This article states Turkey say Greece infringe, Greece say they infringe. It's because it is a border dispute.

    The next question is, what is your point whether or not they have or still infringe a contested border area? Greece are not actively bombing turkey's borders, Turkey aren't bombing greece.

    Russia however is certainly bombing people Turkey classes as friends.

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    FRONTEX was invented to defend and secure EU borders.

    Frontex is an immigration department that the member states recognise to help with patrolling external borders. Every member state controls its own national security. The EU is not a state. I'm not sure you understand that.
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    nemesisisnemesisis Posts: 6,182
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    nope. The Eu doesn't have a territory. It has nation states. Greece and Turkey both hate each other. It a local thing. It similar to Gibraltar is with spain. The EU is a political entity currently, not a federal state. Although given time it probably will be, until then Turkey and Greece probably no doubt duck and dive in each others territory.

    Regardless, no one outside of those countries really cares, and I've yet to see any actual facts to back up the original post that it has stopped happening.

    agree Greece and Turkey have a long history of war and disputes. Greece wants Turkey out of Cyprus and lands taken returned to the Greek Cypriots therefore there is always going to be conflict between the two. Due to Russians investing a lot of money in land, property and banks in Cyprus, Greece now has a lot of Russian support. Turkey is now showing a "small fist" at Russia to test other countries support without making any commitment.
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    Mark_Jones9Mark_Jones9 Posts: 12,728
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    jzee wrote: »
    Erdogan is a fascist driven by Islamist motives, vast swathes of police, magistrates, judges & journalists have been locked up under his regime,
    Are the people arrested including scores of police and many high ranking police officers, a couple of judges, media executives, some journalists, etc. Supposed to be members or supporters of a Islamic organization that has allegedly been placing its members and supporters in key positions for years. The group having fallen out with Erdogan who it apparently used to support allegedly trying to bring down the government, so the government passing legislation and bringing down the group.
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    DrivethruDrivethru Posts: 1,064
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    nemesisis wrote: »
    Greece wants Turkey out of Cyprus

    Not at all.
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    DrivethruDrivethru Posts: 1,064
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    f This article states Turkey say Greece infringe, Greece say they infringe. It's because it is a border dispute.

    Where exactly?
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    nainznainz Posts: 1,777
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    no it doesn't. It only shows up to that date.

    Feel free to ascertain as to whether or not the site is updated on a daily basis. Let me know what you find.

    E-mail ADDRESS:
    hndgset [at] gmail.com

    POSTAL ADDRESS:
    HELLENIC NATIONAL DEFENCE GENERAL STAFF
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    TelevisionUserTelevisionUser Posts: 41,428
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    The day I take rt news as anything other than Russian Propaganda, is the day I ice skate through hell.

    Well said, PrestonAl.

    Since the downing of that Russian Su-24 warplane that violated Turkish airspace, Russia Today, judging by its (poor quality) output, has now become the, "Let's hate Turkey" channel. It's just a very crude state propaganda channel.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    nainz wrote: »
    Feel free to ascertain as to whether or not the site is updated on a daily basis. Let me know what you find.

    E-mail ADDRESS:
    hndgset [at] gmail.com

    POSTAL ADDRESS:
    HELLENIC NATIONAL DEFENCE GENERAL STAFF
    STRATOPEDO PAPAGOU
    MESOGEION 227-231
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    USEFUL PHONE NUMBERS:
    PRESS OFFICE 210-6571044

    It's ok, I'll wait a few days. Maybe they'll do it. If not, perhaps you can give them a call so you can keep the peace between greece and turkey.
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    nainz wrote: »
    The first link provided states there have been no incursions since 25/11.


    Looks like there have been, as suspected. it was only the actual table that was out of date and that the OP relying on russian Media for news is probably not the best.

    From your link
    http://www.geetha.mil.gr/en/violations/violations-of-national-airspace-infringements-of-air-traffic-regulations-icao-en.html
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    Jellied EelJellied Eel Posts: 33,091
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    PrestonAl wrote: »
    It's ok, I'll wait a few days. Maybe they'll do it. If not, perhaps you can give them a call so you can keep the peace between greece and turkey.

    Is it just me, or is the idea of..

    HELLENIC NATIONAL DEFENCE GENERAL STAFF

    using a gmail address many levels of wrong?
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    PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Is it just me, or is the idea of..

    HELLENIC NATIONAL DEFENCE GENERAL STAFF

    using a gmail address many levels of wrong?

    It seems utterly ridiculous. Could you imagine the MoD using a hotmail account. They would be the laughing stock. then again, it is greece. They've probably had to sell the server farm to pay for lunch.
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