I like 'The Long Kiss Goodnight'.

Not sure why, but it is so ridiculous its almost kitsch.

Cutthroat Island (1995) and The Long Kiss Goodnight (1996) were Director Renny Harlin's two attempts to make his wife Geena Davis into an action star. They both flopped horribly at the box office because they were both so over the top that they are practically self parodies and because Geena Davis could not be an action star if her life depended on it. Cutthroat Island cost $100 million to make but only made $10 million at the US box office. I saw both of them in the theater and I couldn't help but think at the time just how bad they were. But, to each his own. LOL!

I didnt mind picking Pertwee on Blu Ray because it had exclusive extras but if they cant even bother with this one then neither can I.

"They both flopped horribly at the box office"
The Long Kiss Goodnight cost $65,000,000 to make and took $89,000,000 at the box office it also sold very well on VHS and DVD so it didn';t do too badly for a supposidly flop film. It was also rated quite well on Rotten Tomatoes.

i might have stumped up if they had included the McGann episode of doctor who revisited but for just a upscaled blu ray disc 1 of the revisitations release (and a new label printed on the dvd of disc 2) it's not worth bothering.

Not all of the box office proceeds go back to the makers of the film as some of it goes to the theaters and (sometimes) the actors. Also, there is usually with movies a large advertising budget to consider. The movie, if it was really lucky, would have broken even with those numbers thanks to additional DVD/VHS. That kind of rate of return (if we are lucky, we break even) is a flop (although not as bad as Cutthroat Island, I admit).

With a lot of vodka (it is my birthday), I just managed to re-watch Heaven Sent and Hell Bent.

Heaven Sent had only one character in it, The Doctor. Thus, it does not affect the numbers at all. (Please see my previous rant on how bad these episodes are. They are the ones that started me on this list.)

Hell Bent:

Men:
President Rassilon: Exiled (he technically lives in order to come back later, I guess, but he is removed from the picture. Nevertheless, he will count in the lives column).
General: Dies. Not only does he die, but he regenerates into a woman. Not only does he die and regenerate into a woman, but he (she) must then declare that the only time he (she) was ever a male was that last regeneration.
Gastron: Lives.

Women:
Ohila (The Sister of Karn): Lives
The Doctors Mom (?) (The woman from the barn): Lives
Ashildr: Lives Forever


Total:

Men: 73
Men Who Die: 46

Women: 45
Women Who Die: 7



Don't worry, there is only one more episode to go and then this exercise will be over.

How could you spend your birthday watching those two dreadful episodes?

Arguably, the Doctor and at least several million copies die in Heaven Sent. Surely that more than balances your "female deaths vs male deaths" survey.

Lots and lots of Vodka.

The problem is that, if I counted all of The Doctor's deaths in Heaven Sent, it would completely destroy the data of the experiment. Not only does he die some untold number of billions of times, but the episode is somewhat of an anomaly. Including his billions of deaths here would tip the scales horribly (even though it would be in my thesis' favor). However, for that very reason, I cannot ethically do it.

And back to the original topic, it is now the 21st of September. Thus, The TV Movie (Blu-Ray) has been released in the UK and Series Eight Part One (DVD) has been released in the US. That makes the list:

Weeping Angels (DVD): US: October 4th
The Complete Third Series (Blu-ray): US: November 15th
The Power of the Daleks: UK: November 21st. US: ?
Series Eight, Part Two (DVD): US: December 13th
The Complete Fourth Series (Blu-Ray): US: March 14th, 2017.
The Complete Second Series (Blu-ray): US: ?
The TV Movie (Blu-ray): UK, Released, US: ?

I am so hoping for some more US release dates.

Oops!. In my original post I'd completely inverted the effect of the billions of deaths of the Doctor's copies.

I agree it's the right thing to do to disregard the anomalous episode as it is very obviously exceptional and would skew the overall "result".

Forgive me. I didn't intentionally set this up or set out to make this follow up point, but your response leads me to an interesting question...

Why you do think then that it's OK to focus on anomalies for the Bechdel Test and disregard the overall result across many films result and yet for your thesis you're willing to disregard an anomalous data point?

Really getting hard to navigate this thread wading through all the off topic crap

My apologies for the off topic stuff, but it is probably my fault. Before Power of The Daleks (animated) was announced, the thread was waning since it seemed that we would soon run out of releases to discuss. Thus, a bit of off-topicness was enjoyed in moderation (and much of it was started by myself). My apologies if it is causing confusion or is clogging up the list.

Because, for my experiment, the results are quite explicit. There are no assumptions. Are men dying more than women and at a greater percentage? The answer, although there is one more episode to go, would seem to be "Yes, and by a large percentage". It is very simple, without assumptions and it is being applied to a limited number of episodes. The gender of people dying or living is almost always absolute and, in the sole case where it was not, the person in question was not counted.

In the case of the Bechdel Test, it is based on the assumption that, if two women don't have a talk about their shoes or their hair or whatever other than men, that it is against women. This is an incredibly presumptuous and assuming test. It makes a lot of assumptions with which I don't agree. If you were simply to watch every movie in existence and then tell me how many of them had the required conversation, I would say o.k., but the assumption that the movie is against women just because it does not have thirty seconds of "I like your hair", "Really, I just had it done", "Is it blonde or strawberry blonde", "It is strawberry blonde" is an absolutely horrible assumption.

I am talking about people dying here.

In Hell Bent, the episode starts off with The Doctor and two main male figures, The General and President Rassilon. At the end, there is The Doctor and four female figures, The Sister of Kane (who basically replaces the President), The General (who was killed and regenerates into a female), Me and Clara. All of the men are replaced by women or killed until they literally are women. We can't have men, only women, is the tone of the show (and many others) these days. (All men bad, must get rid of men, ah, now it is all women so we are good.) And this is represented very directly in the rate at which men and women are killed off on the show.

Who cares about a conversation? Have it. I am tired of being considered expendable and unimportant just because of my gender.



P.S. I could have easily used The Doctor's 20 billion deaths to prove my point and horribly skewed the numbers, but, you know what, my point is being proven without even counting that episode. Take out the super-skew in favor of my thesis (observation) and my point will still be proven (and in a much more satisfying way).

I'm afraid you are entirely missing the point. It's not about individual movies and whether they are pro or anti women just because of a line or two of dialogue.

Your examples of what women's dialogue would be if they weren't talking about men seem horribly sexist to me. Did I miss something again?

Are the women characters present just adjuncts to the male characters and to talk about frivolous things or are they central to the plot? The test is trying to address that bias.

As I said, what it would need to strengthen the case would be a similar analysis of men's dialog.

As we're beginning to repeat ourselves and our conversation is apparently annoyIng to some, 'm going to leave it there. We'll have to agree to disagree. We're not going to see eye to eye on this one.

I was giving a stupid example of a conversation just to show that the topic of the conversation is meaningless as long as it is not about men. I am sorry if my example seemed "sexist" to you, but it still passes the test, which seems ridiculous to me.

Anyways, yes we will disagree on this.

And my larger point still stands; I don't care about what conversations people have or don't have - the fact that one gender is considered expendable to me seems to be the most sexist thing of all and I don't appreciate being considered expendable and worthy of only death simply due to my gender.

That was the one thing I hated about that episode!

How are supposed to believe the Doctor we last saw at Christmas is even the same person we saw back in 1963 and isnt just a copy?

He is just a copy.

Although, having said that, anyone who uses a transmat is basically just a copy of his former, now disintegrated, self!

So technically in Heaven Sent the original Doctor from who we saw in the classic series dies?

Im guessing then you could say the 12th Doctor is really the first?

No, if you go with the idea that a teleport destroys the original of something and creates an exact copy then the original Doctor died way back.

At least as far back as The Sontaran Experiment but probably much earlier.

If you don't go with that idea then it's always the original Doctor who appears in the Castle no matter how many times the cycle has happened.

The thing with teleports is it transfers all your molecules into a different place so I wouldnt really call that death.

As far as the Doctor in the Castle goes from memory the veil touches him disabling the regeneration thingy so he creates a copy of himself which im guessing the skull the doctor sees is the original doctor's.

Seems pretty confusing so are we supposed to believe this doctor we see now has never regenerated if hes just a copy?

Im sure I read somewhere at the time the series would show Clara's death as well as the Doctors.

I think I would need to take tranquilizers if I ever saw those again!

And as for Sleep No More. Eurgh! Such a crap episode. I would have to be out of my brain to watch it again.

I haven't bothered getting the Complete Series 9 box-set, as, in my opinion almost half the series was not up to scratch.

I did get Series 9 on DVD when released as two parts though. The only extras on them being a few 'Doctor Who Extra' behind the scenes/making of documentaries.

I didn't think spending £40 on a complete series box-set was worth it, seeing as a lot of people (myself included), thought it was mostly mediocre. I did spend nearly £15 getting Part 1 when that came out in October 2015, and nearly £15 in January this year when Part 2 came out.

I only really got Part 1 and Part 2 to complete my collection, as I already had Series 1-8 on DVD individually, plus the 2009 Specials, The Day of the Doctor, Time of the Doctor and Last Christmas. Oh, and I've also got the two animates ones; The Infinite Quest and Dreamland.

There are some really good special features on the complete season 9 set. Won't get as much trade in now but would take the individual parts 1 and 2 to cex and put the cash towards the complete set. You won't be disappointed.