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Lady C - does she have a right to the title?
When she married Lord Colin Campbell she became Lady Colin Campbell, but on her divorce IMO she should have lost the legal right to the title. For her it was not a hereditary title so the divorce should have severed her right to use Lady as a title.........shouldn't it?
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It's her title until she remarry or she volunteer to give it up.
After her divorce Diana was still a Princess until her death.
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It's her title until she remarry or she volunteer to give it up.
After her divorce Diana was still a Princess until her death. ![]() |
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I'm not sure. Is it similar to using the title Doctor or Professor when you cease to practise your profession? Not sure.
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I could be wrong but I thought convention was that as a divorced wife she would be known as Georgina, Lady Campbell. The title "Lady Colin Campbell" would be appropriate to any subsequent wife of her former husband.
Like I said previously, Lady C can hold her title until she remarry or she decided to give it up. |
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She is proof that having a title of Lady doesn't make you one that's for sure.
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I could be wrong but I thought convention was that as a divorced wife she would be known as Georgina, Lady Campbell. The title "Lady Colin Campbell" would be appropriate to any subsequent wife of her former husband.
When a commoner marries in, they take their husband's title (eg Princess Michael of Kent) as opposed to getting their own - Princess Michael is never going to be Princess Marie- Christine, likewise Lady C is not and never was Lady Georgina Campbell. Likewise - their was a bit of a debate when the Prince and Princess of Wales divorced - and they realised that there would be a huge uproar if they stripped Diana of her title, and she unusually became Diana, Princess of Wales (without the HRH) - normally she would have been Princess Charles. Etiquette experts at the time also stated that she couldn't be Diana, Lady Spencer, Princess of Wales, as the only Lady Spencer is the current Countess. Diana and her sisters titles are also courtesy titles but held in their own right so they can keep them regardless. Had Diana remarried, she would have become Lady Diana, Mrs Joe Bloggs, just as Princess Anne is known as The Princess Royal, Mrs Timothy Lawrence. On a more achievable level for most of us - should our husbands ever get knighted, we would be Lady (Surname) - eg Sir Bruce and Lady Forsyth - she is not Lady Wilnelia! Interestingly - Diana's sister is these day known as Lady Jane Fellowes - she and her husband are Sir Robert and Lady Jane Fellowes because she is a Lady in her own right - otherwise she would just be Lady Fellowes. All a bit archaic these days, but snobs Like Lady C cling to their courtesy titles as they think it makes them better than the rest of us. |
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No the "Lady" plus name bit only applies to the daughters of peers eg Ladies Mary, Edith and Sybil Crawley.
When a commoner marries in, they take their husband's title (eg Princess Michael of Kent) as opposed to getting their own - Princess Michael is never going to be Princess Marie- Christine, likewise Lady C is not and never was Lady Georgina Campbell. Likewise - their was a bit of a debate when the Prince and Princess of Wales divorced - and they realised that there would be a huge uproar if they stripped Diana of her title, and she unusually became Diana, Princess of Wales (without the HRH) - normally she would have been Princess Charles. Etiquette experts at the time also stated that she couldn't be Diana, Lady Spencer, Princess of Wales, as the only Lady Spencer is the current Countess. Diana and her sisters titles are also courtesy titles but held in their own right so they can keep them regardless. Had Diana remarried, she would have become Lady Diana, Mrs Joe Bloggs, just as Princess Anne is known as The Princess Royal, Mrs Timothy Lawrence. On a more achievable level for most of us - should our husbands ever get knighted, we would be Lady (Surname) - eg Sir Bruce and Lady Forsyth - she is not Lady Wilnelia! All a bit archaic these days, but snobs Like Lady C cling to their courtesy titles as they think it makes them better than the rest of us. |
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No the "Lady" plus name bit only applies to the daughters of peers eg Ladies Mary, Edith and Sybil Crawley.
When a commoner marries in, they take their husband's title (eg Princess Michael of Kent) as opposed to getting their own - Princess Michael is never going to be Princess Marie- Christine, likewise Lady C is not and never was Lady Georgina Campbell. Having just checked Debrett's "Christian name", "Title" is the normal convention for the divorced wives of peers although oddly it is silent on the divorced wife of a younger son of a Duke although as a courtesy title it does say elsewhere it follows that of a divorced peer. http://www.debretts.com/forms-addres...hess/sons-duke |
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She is proof that having a title of Lady doesn't make you one that's for sure.
You must bore yourself to sleep with your constant repetition.
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When she married Lord Colin Campbell she became Lady Colin Campbell, but on her divorce IMO she should have lost the legal right to the title. For her it was not a hereditary title so the divorce should have severed her right to use Lady as a title.........shouldn't it?
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I was thinking the exact thing. They are divorced - why would she still want a name that was so heavily associated with her ex husband???
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I'm not sure. Is it similar to using the title Doctor or Professor when you cease to practise your profession? Not sure.
Those titles are gained through work and qualifications and you are entitled to use them until death. Her time is a courtesy one only and she would lose it upon remarriage but she can only be a Lady with her husbands name, not her own name. |
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When she married Lord Colin Campbell she became Lady Colin Campbell, but on her divorce IMO she should have lost the legal right to the title. For her it was not a hereditary title so the divorce should have severed her right to use Lady as a title.........shouldn't it?
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I was thinking the exact thing. They are divorced - why would she still want a name that was so heavily associated with her ex husband???
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I imagine it makes social and/or financial sense to do so.
![]() I am sure she sells more books because it's by Lady Colin Campbell
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Can we not just have one thread where you don't pop up with the same comment
You must bore yourself to sleep with your constant repetition.
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She is proof that having a title of Lady doesn't make you one that's for sure.
You obviously also think you know so please tell me, how do all of the Ladies in your family/social circle behave? What is it that makes one a Lady? |
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The two very fine examples we have of polite, mature gentlemanhood , Duncan and Tony discuss the same topic frequently. One can only assume they choose it as a form of polite conversation with Lady C.
You obviously also think you know so please tell me, how do all of the Ladies in your family/social circle behave? What is it that makes one a Lady? |
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It's nothing like that!
Those titles are gained through work and qualifications and you are entitled to use them until death. Her time is a courtesy one only and she would lose it upon remarriage but she can only be a Lady with her husbands name, not her own name. |
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If she beats Tyson Fury then of course she does!
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Then do yourself a favour and stop following me around on here just to post about my comments.
![]() It's not a question of following you around Dave - but you are just so predicatable and relentless . You are perfectly entitled to post what you wish but can't you change the music for once ? |
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Thanks - you've obviously researched it. Could you cite your info source please?
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A PhD is yours until you die, so you are always Dr Bloggs not Mr or Ms Bloggs (eg Dr Merkel is Dr Merkel even though she is Chancellor, not a practicing academic). Professor can be retained as a courtesy, but is only yours by right after retirement if you're appointed a a Professor Emeritus. Like army titles - Captain Mark Phillips retained his captain only as a courtesy. God, I'm dull - sorry
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I was thinking the exact thing. They are divorced - why would she still want a name that was so heavily associated with her ex husband???
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