Lady C - does she have a right to the title?

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Daisy450

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by anne_666:
“Where did you get that information from and what "debts from previous years"?

http://companydb.uk/06332127-dynasty...d#.VmGQBbiLTtQ”

It's all here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...firm-debt.html

jabegy

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“No the "Lady" plus name bit only applies to the daughters of peers eg Ladies Mary, Edith and Sybil Crawley.

When a commoner marries in, they take their husband's title (eg Princess Michael of Kent) as opposed to getting their own - Princess Michael is never going to be Princess Marie- Christine, likewise Lady C is not and never was Lady Georgina Campbell.

Likewise - their was a bit of a debate when the Prince and Princess of Wales divorced - and they realised that there would be a huge uproar if they stripped Diana of her title, and she unusually became Diana, Princess of Wales (without the HRH) - normally she would have been Princess Charles. Etiquette experts at the time also stated that she couldn't be Diana, Lady Spencer, Princess of Wales, as the only Lady Spencer is the current Countess. Diana and her sisters titles are also courtesy titles but held in their own right so they can keep them regardless. Had Diana remarried, she would have become Lady Diana, Mrs Joe Bloggs, just as Princess Anne is known as The Princess Royal, Mrs Timothy Lawrence.

On a more achievable level for most of us - should our husbands ever get knighted, we would be Lady (Surname) - eg Sir Bruce and Lady Forsyth - she is not Lady Wilnelia! Interestingly - Diana's sister is these day known as Lady Jane Fellowes - she and her husband are Sir Robert and Lady Jane Fellowes because she is a Lady in her own right - otherwise she would just be Lady Fellowes.

All a bit archaic these days, but snobs Like Lady C cling to their courtesy titles as they think it makes them better than the rest of us.”

Thanks for pointing all that out Caro, very enlightening. I did read somewhere that her ex husband is really p***ed off about her continuing to use the title.

1fab

04-12-2015

I've got a bit of exciting news! We could all become a Laird, Lord or Lady of Glencoe, for £29.99, and you get a square foot plot of land. Apply here:

http://www.highlandtitles.com

Would make a marvellous Christmas present.

CaroUK

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by 1fab:
“I've got a bit of exciting news! We could all become a Laird, Lord or Lady of Glencoe, for £29.99, and you get a square foot plot of land. Apply here:

http://www.highlandtitles.com

Would make a marvellous Christmas present.”

And we can aaaal be Ladies with a capital L!

Scamps8

04-12-2015

Lol. 😜 About as real as hers and cheaper

BabelBrook

04-12-2015

Its almost worth it for the "I'm a Lord/Lady" socks

1fab

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by BabelBrook:
“Its almost worth it for the "I'm a Lord/Lady" socks”

Ooh, I missed those!

Paace

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Of course she is a snob. Why else would she insist on them calling her Lady C all the time?

When they had a real life Lord on the show a few years ago (Lord Brocket), he was absolutely gorgeous with no airs and graces at all. He cheerfully mucked in with the rest of them, insisted on being called Charlie, and even went so far as to change the name on his jungle clothing to simply Charlie. He was a great campmate.

She's just a shopkeepers daughter from Jamaica - no Lady at all, and definitely just one of the oiks she so despises herself! Her family don't seem to be that prominent either - virtually nothing comes up when you google the name their main claim to fame is her - and one of her cousins is a musician of some kind - that's all.

I'm sure she could have easily upgraded her title if only half her stories of noble lovers were true, but the fact that she hangs on to the Lady Colin for grim death (and has done for over 40 years) shows that no one of a higher rank has asked her to marry them.

If she really wanted to revert back to being plain Ms Ziadie - why keep using the title in situations like this? Or when she goes out socially?”

Lord Brocket was the real deal, although he could be a bit eccentric he was a thousand times better then misery guts Cambell .

BabelBrook

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by 1fab:
“Ooh, I missed those!”

I guess it is appropriate you can also get "a Lordship mug".

Fairy Wings

04-12-2015

Of course she's a Lady! She ate those testicles with a knife and fork!

Daisy450

04-12-2015

Already done!

Scamps8

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by Daisy450:
“Already done!”

Oooooh.... What did you choose, me Lady

calamity

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by Lilylilac:
“So when arguing with someone she had to mention she owns five tiaras, I'd call that pretty snobbish.”

they sell them in Primark though..

Daisy450

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by Scamps8:
“Oooooh.... What did you choose, me Lady”

Baroness Daisy of Bullshine

calamity

04-12-2015

Divorced wives[edit]
A peeress retains her legal right to the peerage style following divorce and even upon her remarriage to a non-peer.[1] A convention has developed whereby her Christian name is added in front of her title to distinguish her from any subsequent wife of her former husband. Hence, "Her Grace The Duchess of London" becomes "Mary, Duchess of London". In written forms, she is not entitled to the use of the address "Her Grace..." but may be addressed as "Duchess". "The Rt Hon. The Lady London" becomes "Mary, Lady London" and may be addressed as "Lady London," or "My Lady".

On 21 August 1996 letters patent changed titles of divorced wives of British princes, depriving their former wives of the style of Royal Highness. For this reason Her Royal Highness The Princess of Wales after divorce became Diana, Princess of Wales. The same happened to Her Royal Highness The Duchess of York who became Sarah, Duchess of York.

postit

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by Daisy450:
“It's all here

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...firm-debt.html”

ROFLMAO

CaroUK

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by calamity:
“Divorced wives[edit]
A peeress retains her legal right to the peerage style following divorce and even upon her remarriage to a non-peer.[1] A convention has developed whereby her Christian name is added in front of her title to distinguish her from any subsequent wife of her former husband. Hence, "Her Grace The Duchess of London" becomes "Mary, Duchess of London". In written forms, she is not entitled to the use of the address "Her Grace..." but may be addressed as "Duchess". "The Rt Hon. The Lady London" becomes "Mary, Lady London" and may be addgressed as "Lady London," or "My Lady".

On 21 August 1996 letters patent changed titles of divorced wives of British princes, depriving their former wives of the style of Royal Highness. For this reason Her Royal Highness The Princess of Wales after divorce became Diana, Princess of Wales. The same happened to Her Royal Highness The Duchess of York who became Sarah, Duchess of York.”

It's interesting and not really clear if the first bit applies to Lady C and she was technically never a peeress. The true peers are those entitled to sit in the House of Lord, and they are usually only the main title holders. Any children of peers are given courtesy titles , eg Lord Colin, Lady Jeanne with the eldest son allowed to use one of his fathers lesser titles eg The Duke of Argyll, and the Marquess of Kintyre and Lorne, The Earl of Snowdon, and Lord Linley, or the Duke of Merlborough and the Marquis of Blandford. The younger sons and any daughters are never styled as "The" before their title. Lord Colin was never "the Lord Campbell" ( that would have been his brother). Either way, Lady C is very much a second tier Lady.

Daisy450

04-12-2015

Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“It's interesting and not really clear if the first bit applies to Lady C and she was technically never a peeress. The true peers are those entitled to sit in the House of Lord, and they are usually only the main title holders. Any children of peers are given courtesy titles , eg Lord Colin, Lady Jeanne with the eldest son allowed to use one of his fathers lesser titles eg The Duke of Argyll, and the Marquess of Kintyre and Lorne, The Earl of Snowdon, and Lord Linley, or the Duke of Merlborough and the Marquis of Blandford. The younger sons and any daughters are never styled as "The" before their title. Lord Colin was never "the Lord Campbell" ( that would have been his brother). Either way, Lady C is very much a second tier Lady.”

My understanding is that hers is only a courtesy title so she is still a commoner, just like us

Lil Munchkin

04-12-2015

You'd think that the fact she branded her ex husband an abuser and claimed she needed her face reconstructed after they split, would make her want nothing to do with him after the divorce let alone keep his name. Seems she dips in and out of her so called title as and when she pleases.

One thing for sure the way she behaved in the jungle she certainly didn't behave like a lady. Respect is a two way street, she respected no-one, and even those that respected her initially soon lost it. It's not the way you'd expect a woman in her 60's to behave. She seemed a bit un-hinged to me.

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