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Sky Sports Cricket Coverage 2016
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Neil_Harris
24-05-2016
Originally Posted by madmusician:
“Is it? It's in Sky's contract, which is why it can't be changed till 2020, but I don't think it was Sky's initiative - it was the ECB's initiative back in 2000 when the new summer schedule was set-up.

Sorry to nit-pick.”

No you're not picking at all, all I remember is it being the new summer schedule from back when sky 1st showed home test cricket. C4 showed 1 May test, Sky the other. Thinking about its more likely the ECB pushed it but sky were more than happy to take it on.
Alex2606
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by madmusician:
“Is it? It's in Sky's contract, which is why it can't be changed till 2020, but I don't think it was Sky's initiative - it was the ECB's initiative back in 2000 when the new summer schedule was set-up.

Sorry to nit-pick.”

Originally Posted by Neil_Harris:
“No you're not picking at all, all I remember is it being the new summer schedule from back when sky 1st showed home test cricket. C4 showed 1 May test, Sky the other. Thinking about its more likely the ECB pushed it but sky were more than happy to take it on.”

The first test series of the summer moved to May/early June to help having the triangular Natwest Series
Neil_Harris
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by Alex2606:
“The first test series of the summer moved to May/early June to help having the triangular Natwest Series”

Was that a Sky initiative (You can probably guess I'm trying to blame them anyway I can)
Bhaveshgor
25-05-2016
Wow Sam billings is actually quite good at the zone.
madmusician
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_Harris:
“Was that a Sky initiative (You can probably guess I'm trying to blame them anyway I can)”

We had this debate last year - Alex came up with some great arguments about the fact that it wasn't necessarily Sky's prerogative that the ODIs came in the middle of the summer in the C4/Sky years (as soon as Sky took over the test coverage in 2006, the main test series shifted earlier on in the summer).

I think the plan in the then-new summer schedule was that England needed to play more ODI cricket, following the disastrous World Cup campaigns of 1996 and 1999, hence the introduction of the tri-series (aping the Australian tournament structure that they'd used for many years). The number of tests in a summer moved from six to seven - previously (I think I'm right in saying) they'd either be split with two touring teams playing three tests each (e.g. in 1994 and 1996) or one test team playing six (e.g. the 1997 Ashes). (1998 and 1999 were kind-of transition years, as we played five tests v SA in 98 and then a one-off test against SL at the end of the summer, and that was the first year that a mini-tri-series was staged; 1999 was heavily influenced by the World Cup, which took up the early summer, then NZ stayed to play just four tests afterwards.)

The shift to seven tests meant that we always had two visiting teams per summer - originally the 'usual' split was 2 tests for the smaller touring nation, 5 for the larger one, but this gradually shifted across to a 3/4 split which is now the norm. Presumably they wanted large crowds in the height of summer for the NatWest Series, with the introduction of day-night matches and the like.

Interestingly, the first summer in which this structure was used (2000), the ODIs came mid-way through the England-West Indies test series. After that, they were always between the two test series.

As someone who distantly remembers cricket in the 90s (I was born in 1991), but really remembers from the early-00s onwards, May tests don't seem odd to me, as it's become de-rigeur. They always seemed the poor relation to the second series, even though they've thrown up some fab matches over the years - the drama of Old Trafford in 2001, the wonderful third test against SL in 2002 and, more recently, the test series against SL two years ago. But it's swung back into fashion to say that the May tests aren't working, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were axed come the new TV contract in 2020.
Bhaveshgor
25-05-2016
Strong rumers that it would be 6 test matches and go back to the 90s of where they would be either one series in the summer or two 3 test series.
Which also links to the rumers of the 2 test division league and leagues for odi which should see the volume of cricket played internationally come down.

possible Ashes and India series goes to 6 test matches no idea what would happen to South Africa do they get 4 and the other 2 or get 5 with the other team 1.
Suppose it depends on the ICC and how the division league actually works.

but very strong rumers of 6 test match summers and 2 division league happening.
Bosox
25-05-2016
A six test series even for the Ashes feels too long for my tastes, I think five is the right number. If they were going to go back to a six test summer I'd prefer a one off test against Ireland/Afghanistan.
Neil_Harris
25-05-2016
Who shows Sri Lanka's cricket these days.
Australia's squad has been announced for a 3 test/5 ODI/ 2T20 tour starting late July.
Should be an interesting series
Neil_Harris
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by madmusician:
“As someone who distantly remembers cricket in the 90s (I was born in 1991), but really remembers from the early-00s onwards, May tests don't seem odd to me, as it's become de-rigeur. They always seemed the poor relation to the second series, even though they've thrown up some fab matches over the years - the drama of Old Trafford in 2001, the wonderful third test against SL in 2002 and, more recently, the test series against SL two years ago. But it's swung back into fashion to say that the May tests aren't working, and I wouldn't be surprised if they were axed come the new TV contract in 2020.”

Being an 80's child I miss the Texaco Trophy and the Benson & Hedges cup. Followed by 6 test matches.

When two touring sides were here (for example 1986) the one dayers still preceded both series, something think should always happen (an apertif) - The last test finished over August bank holiday weekend.
Bhaveshgor
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_Harris:
“Who shows Sri Lanka's cricket these days.
Australia's squad has been announced for a 3 test/5 ODI/ 2T20 tour starting late July.
Should be an interesting series”

one of the Asian channel will show it.
think the sri lanka series is signed on a series by series basis.
Zee is likely to show the games.
madmusician
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_Harris:
“Being an 80's child I miss the Texaco Trophy and the Benson & Hedges cup. Followed by 6 test matches.

When two touring sides were here (for example 1986) the one dayers still preceded both series, something think should always happen (an apertif) - The last test finished over August bank holiday weekend.”

I remember the chat we had about this last year - I agree with the desire to put ODIs first before tests. My frame of reference is the early-00s schedule, and that's pretty much my perfect summer schedule with tests ending the summer. But, as we said last year, it's an impossible position for the ECB, as we saw in 2005 that the weather did play a part in the final test match that summer, and having the main test series in the height of summer is better for exposure and weather alike. So I can see why they do it, and I wouldn't criticise it. But, conceptually, I would far rather have the ODIs first, even (especially?) with this new Super Series model. Build it up so that the test matches finish the tour off.

But it's easier said than done. As with all cricket scheduling (county or international), there is no one-size-fits-all solution. There are many different parties (broadcasters, players, spectators at the ground, viewers/listeners from broadcast media) who need to be taken account of and their needs a subtly different.
Neil_Harris
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“one of the Asian channel will show it.
think the sri lanka series is signed on a series by series basis.
Zee is likely to show the games.”

Shame. Could be ideal for BT to begin their cricket coverage.
Bhaveshgor
25-05-2016
Nick hault saying it is likely to be 5 or 6 test a summer.
so Ashes and India series should still be 5 test matches.
with the rest getting 4-2 or 3-3.

Should make it easier scheduling wise for Domestic and international cricket.
Although can't see it changing much ODI would still be in june and September.
just that international cricket won't be played in May, which allows English players to participate in the IPL.
Bhaveshgor
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_Harris:
“Shame. Could be ideal for BT to begin their cricket coverage.”

Well they could have it if they pay for it.
Neil_Harris
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by madmusician:
“I remember the chat we had about this last year - I agree with the desire to put ODIs first before tests. My frame of reference is the early-00s schedule, and that's pretty much my perfect summer schedule with tests ending the summer. But, as we said last year, it's an impossible position for the ECB, as we saw in 2005 that the weather did play a part in the final test match that summer, and having the main test series in the height of summer is better for exposure and weather alike. So I can see why they do it, and I wouldn't criticise it. But, conceptually, I would far rather have the ODIs first, even (especially?) with this new Super Series model. Build it up so that the test matches finish the tour off.

But it's easier said than done. As with all cricket scheduling (county or international), there is no one-size-fits-all solution. There are many different parties (broadcasters, players, spectators at the ground, viewers/listeners from broadcast media) who need to be taken account of and their needs a subtly different.”

Yeah, I appreciate a few of these topics get repeated. I think we're all trying to find the perfect solution going forward and nostalgia inevitably comes into it.
Neil_Harris
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“Nick hault saying it is likely to be 5 or 6 test a summer.
so Ashes and India series should still be 5 test matches.
with the rest getting 4-2 or 3-3.

Should make it easier scheduling wise for Domestic and international cricket.
Although can't see it changing much ODI would still be in june and September.
just that international cricket won't be played in May, which allows English players to participate in the IPL.”

Where's this reported then. Seems damned odd for the ECB to encourage 9 counties to get test class stadia and then reduce to 5.
Bhaveshgor
25-05-2016
Telegraph, Daily mail, Cricinfo all been reporting it for a few days and been quite common knowledge when the new deal get signed England will play less cricket in the home summer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2...-sri-lanka-in/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2...england-tests/

like I said before rumers are quite strong on england playing 5-6 test a year after 2020, alongside the division proposal ICC looking at.
Also quite wrong to say they been encourage to create test match stadia, they been encouraged to produce international standard stadia.
they may just rotate the test matches. with the likes of Durham, Hampshire and Glamorgan getting a test every 3-4 years and they probably get more of the ODI/T20s.

And ECB still needs 9 international class stadiums if on average their are hosting more than 17 games a year.
no way can the traditional stadium be able to host all the test and white ball cricket alongside domestic cricket requirements.
Neil_Harris
25-05-2016
Cheers Bhaveshgor.

Just snippets from Nick then. Although he usually on the ball.
Fair comment regarding encouragement for tests, but when they built the stadia it was clear they'd want tests. Cardiff & Durham went all out for Ashes cricket.
madmusician
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_Harris:
“Cheers Bhaveshgor.

Just snippets from Nick then. Although he usually on the ball.
Fair comment regarding encouragement for tests, but when they built the stadia it was clear they'd want tests. Cardiff & Durham went all out for Ashes cricket.”

Yep, I think that it's pretty common opinion now that the entire process of awarding matches from the mid-00s, when that ridiculous blind bidding process was brought in, was deeply flawed.

I'm not sure if Durham 'went all out for Ashes cricket' though (in the way that Cardiff did)? Their first test was in 2003, England playing Zimbabwe. It was the 'low profile Test' slot (the test match on Sky that summer), although the nPower sponsorship stings used by Channel 4 that summer did make great play of "nPower - bringing Test cricket to North East England". They also got the 'low profile' slot in 2005 (Bangladesh that time, and it only just made it into three days. It was about 2 days and 2 overs, IIRC), before May tests with the West Indies in 2007 and 2009. All that before their first Ashes test.

I think the ECB do need to have a serious think about test match grounds. I think they spread themselves too thinly, frankly, over the last decade - there's just no need to have 9 counties spending ridiculous money putting on international cricket. The traditional 6 grounds (Lords, The Oval, Edgbaston, Trent Bridge, Headingley and Old Trafford) were just fine for me, with others taking on limited over international cricket. If you have 7 tests a summer, then with Lords having two tests, you had the perfect number.

6 tests per summer wouldn't be a problem for me, especially if they are scheduled properly. I'm not personally in favour of two divisions in test cricket, but that's probably not for this thread!
Alex2606
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by Neil_Harris:
“Cheers Bhaveshgor.

Just snippets from Nick then. Although he usually on the ball.
Fair comment regarding encouragement for tests, but when they built the stadia it was clear they'd want tests. Cardiff & Durham went all out for Ashes cricket.”

The International allocation process was never great, and should be changed, but certain counties really made a mess and aimed far too high. It's forgotten that Durham had to hand back games against India and Australia because they overstretched and couldn't afford it
Bhaveshgor
25-05-2016
The likes of Glamorgan, Durham got too greedy.
they essentially went all out for Test cricket since it provides the most money if it works but also cost the most to get especially the big games.
they could have just targeted the odi/t20 the bigger grounds didn't really want and would have worked better for them.
Bhaveshgor
25-05-2016
Although it is a catch 22 since the debts to get an international stadium meant they needed the test to get the debt paid back quicker.
wouldn't have been the case if they didn't have to bid for the games and ECB just gave them out.
madmusician
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by Alex2606:
“The International allocation process was never great, and should be changed, but certain counties really made a mess and aimed far too high. It's forgotten that Durham had to hand back games against India and Australia because they overstretched and couldn't afford it”

I'd forgotten (or never knew) that. Which years were those matches? I do recall Cardiff handing back their 2012 match when the West Indies were touring.
Alex2606
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by madmusician:
“I'd forgotten (or never knew) that. Which years were those matches? I do recall Cardiff handing back their 2012 match when the West Indies were touring.”

During 2013 they handed back a T20 vs India in 2014 (went to Edgbaston) and an ODI vs Australia last year (went to Old Trafford)
Bhaveshgor
25-05-2016
Originally Posted by Alex2606:
“During 2013 they handed back a T20 vs India in 2014 (went to Edgbaston) and an ODI vs Australia last year (went to Old Trafford)”

Although Durham didn't actually win those games first, some other county won it first and then gave it back might have been Cardiff and Ecb offered the rights on a fixed price basis and Durham took them and then decided they couldn't afford it and gave them back again.
On the phone so can't post the cricinfo link.
But the county must be Glamorgan since they the only real county around 2009 that handed games back to Ecb.

Think Durham supporters are saying they been forced to give back the SA Odi if Ecb help them out which might be why Glamorgan lost those two games.
Harker and collingwood have been saying this lately about them likely to lose the SA game.
something about Ecb wanting to help but at a price to stop all counties to get into a finical mess.
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