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Sky Sports Cricket Coverage 2016
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Bhaveshgor
25-05-2016
http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/...ry/633884.html
No information of why Durham were offered the games but they didn't actually bid for them.
Bhaveshgor
26-05-2016
Cricinfo reporting
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/c...y/1019437.html
division 1 7 teams and division 2 5 teams.
So looks like Afghanistan and Ireland are getting test status, although suspect they would be relegation from div 2 and the ICC associate competition.

so if that the case the cycle probably going to be this.
Year 1 India
year 2 Australia
year 3 Sri lanka and Pakistan
year 4 NZ and South Africa

Would work perfectly having 5 or 6 test a summer.
LOSG
26-05-2016
Can't see how divisions work, if England, India or Australia get "relegated" the whole thing falls apart.

I'd prefer to just see series that are made to mean something as series. Less of the 2 test match series where countries like NZ play about 6 tests in 3 months in 3 different countries that all mean absolutely nothing.

The rest of the world goes on about the Ashes, but half of the reason that series is still special is because its remained at 5 tests and has that fantastic test series flow - which is all too rare these days. (and even the ashes is now rushed with the 2 sets of back to back tests)
jazzydrury3
26-05-2016
Is the Ashes going to have to come under this crappy point system, or will that stay just being 5 tests
Bhaveshgor
26-05-2016
Originally Posted by LOSG:
“Can't see how divisions work, if England, India or Australia get "relegated" the whole thing falls apart.

I'd prefer to just see series that are made to mean something as series. Less of the 2 test match series where countries like NZ play about 6 tests in 3 months in 3 different countries that all mean absolutely nothing.

The rest of the world goes on about the Ashes, but half of the reason that series is still special is because its remained at 5 tests and has that fantastic test series flow - which is all too rare these days. (and even the ashes is now rushed with the 2 sets of back to back tests)”

the big 3 would be exempt from relegation and the chance of them getting relegated slim anyway since it is very unlikely the will lose to Sri lanka, NZ, Pakistan regularly to get relegated.

The thing is with 10 test playing nations it is impossible to play everyone and still have the long test series, it does need division so the 2 test series get scrapped.
Also looks like series wins and test win will have points and the Awful test ranking will be scrapped.
bit like how the Women ODI Championship works.
Bhaveshgor
26-05-2016
Originally Posted by jazzydrury3:
“Is the Ashes going to have to come under this crappy point system, or will that stay just being 5 tests”

No the points system was a ploy by ECB to try and sell tickets to the Sri lanka and pakistan series and hope the pakistani and Sri lankan supporters come to the Test matches and the english folks come to the white ball cricket.
not sure it would be used for the bigger series, it might get scrapped if ICC comes with something else to put meaning to bilateral series.
Alex2606
26-05-2016
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/...ry/633884.html
No information of why Durham were offered the games but they didn't actually bid for them.”

Never said that they did bid for them.........but just because the ECB offered them to Durham didn't mean that they had to accept them and pay for them, they overreached.
Bhaveshgor
26-05-2016
Originally Posted by Alex2606:
“Never said that they did bid for them.........but just because the ECB offered them to Durham didn't mean that they had to accept them and pay for them, they overreached.”

good point.
madmusician
26-05-2016
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“the big 3 would be exempt from relegation and the chance of them getting relegated slim anyway since it is very unlikely the will lose to Sri lanka, NZ, Pakistan regularly to get relegated.

The thing is with 10 test playing nations it is impossible to play everyone and still have the long test series, it does need division so the 2 test series get scrapped.
Also looks like series wins and test win will have points and the Awful test ranking will be scrapped.
bit like how the Women ODI Championship works.”

I really dislike the whole premise of this (I really dislike the Big 3 carve-up, too, which at least is seeing signs of being improved). Surely relegating the West Indies to playing against the likes of Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, etc will do more damage to test cricket in that country rather than less? It's cementing the difference between the 'haves' and the 'have nots' within world cricket.

There's no perfect solution, but this is just cementing a Big 3-dominated world, I think, even if the financial situation is improved.

Interesting times ahead in terms of scheduling, both internationally and domestically, then. I'm not sure I like the direction of all this, sadly.
Bhaveshgor
26-05-2016
Not sure it would if anything it might improve cricket in the carribean since they would be playing games more suited to their level.
WI cricket will die more quickly if it keeps on playing Australia, India, England, SA and get humiliated.
anyway reports all the money will go to a central pool and then divided or shared out by percentage which would still mean the big 3 get a bigger share but the likes of WI, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe and the rest are not dependent on India touring to make all their money.
Not sure how it would work but been reported on Cricinfo currently.

also it might actually improve the West indies cricket team since Sri lanka, Pakistan, Bangladesh, West indies are fighting for 2 spots in the top division, don't really think their much between all 4 sides now so it could get very competitive between all 4 teams to secure top division or get promoted.

Much better situation than now where the likes of West indies, Sri lanka and Zimbabwe are actually quite happy to not play much cricket if they still get money from india and england when their tour.
Really loads of the less nations need to play more cricket rather than wait for india or beg for india to visit every 2 years so they can make some money.

they really needs to be some meaning in the lower leagues of Test cricket and 2 division does it and it also allows test cricket to expand as well to other nations.
really think the pros of 2 division outweigh the cons of it.
mavreela
26-05-2016
Originally Posted by jazzydrury3:
“Is the Ashes going to have to come under this crappy point system, or will that stay just being 5 tests”

The super series is a separate thing additional to the outcome of the test, ODI, and T20I series. So at the end of a tour there will be four results instead of three.

As a test series the Ashes will always be for the results of the test matches regardless of any super series results.

Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“the big 3 would be exempt from relegation”

The last report I read said there would be no exemptions in the proposal to be put before the ICC, despite this being something the big-three originally proposed.

And there is no reason why there should be.

The idea is essentially for a two-year-long competition season with division one ending in a champion and relegation, then it all starts again. During this period each team will have to play the others only once, either home or away.

This only amounts to six test series over four cricket seasons in division one, leaving plenty of opportunities for bilateral series. So the Ashes would continue as it is, the only difference is whether or not it would count to the divisional structure.
Bhaveshgor
26-05-2016
the other reason for two division is that ICC and full members have all agreed greater context brings higher TV ratings, more interest and more money to them.
Essentially all the full members want ratings similar to ICC events where all nations saw very high ratings that are not seen in bilateral games, even in England the T20 world cup rated similar or higher than the Ashes.
on the other hand bilateral games have struggled to get good ratings and more worryingly ratings are declining quite badly, so they are now trying to see if including some sort of reason to play Test cricket might increase ratings.
since the only stuff that works in Cricket is the Ashes and ICC Events.
India vs England and india vs Australia is in the middle in terms of success in ratings.

With Big 3 failing or getting scrapped the only other option for India, England and Australia to make more money is to get Bilaterial games to generate more money.

and really the main point is to get WI, Sri lanka, Pakistan and India interest up again in bilateral games.
since bilateral games is dead in WI, Sri lanka, Pakistan and really the only interest is in T20 and ICC events and no question about it that if their is a reason to play test cricket or some sort of championship or Champion in test cricket ratings and interest will go up in those countries.
Currently people in WI don't care about Test cricket or if they ranked 8 or 9th in Test and ODI but suspect if they playing Bangladesh or Sri lanka to get promoted the interest will be huge in the Caribbean.

Even Ab de villiers said he sometimes wonders why he is actually playing test cricket since playing the likes of NZ, WI, Sri lanka has no meaning to him.
Bhaveshgor
26-05-2016
Originally Posted by mavreela:
“The super series is a separate thing additional to the outcome of the test, ODI, and T20I series. So at the end of a tour there will be four results instead of three.

As a test series the Ashes will always be for the results of the test matches regardless of any super series results.



The last report I read said there would be no exemptions in the proposal to be put before the ICC, despite this being something the big-three originally proposed.

And there is no reason why there should be.

The idea is essentially for a two-year-long competition season with division one ending in a champion and relegation, then it all starts again. During this period each team will have to play the others only once, either home or away.

This only amounts to six test series over four cricket seasons in division one, leaving plenty of opportunities for bilateral series. So the Ashes would continue as it is, the only difference is whether or not it would count to the divisional structure.”

thanks that would make sense would allow India, England to play more games if they like and make the big 3 game safe and guaranteed plus still allow the likes of Sri lanka, South Africa and WI to have the Test match with meaning they desperately crave.
Would also mean a champion and relegated team every 2 years.
LOSG
26-05-2016
It's asking for trouble in my opinion. Imagine a team needing to draw a 4 test match series to win the "league"/stay up. You're going to get 4 absolute roads as winning the actual series itself has no relevance.
Bhaveshgor
26-05-2016
Think winning the league or surviving/getting promoted is far far far bigger than winning any random series.
is like saying Arsenal did so much better this season because they did the double over leicester.

Think everyone would say leicester achievements was far more better and meaningful.

Also not sure 4 flat decks will be a huge worry considering it will just add to the story, considering even in most flat decks they would be some help to the spinners and seamers on day 4-5 and chances are team will win games.

I would definitely prefer having 2 divisions than the system right now.
currently Test cricket means nothing, Players hate the current system, fan clearly don't like it either considering ratings are crap barring some games and even the media getting behind it since they can clearly see no one gives a crap about vast majority of test series.
the main point of the system is to give life to series like Sri lanka vs WI, WI vs SA, NZ vs WI etc.
LOSG
26-05-2016
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“Think winning the league or surviving/getting promoted is far far far bigger than winning any random series.
is like saying Arsenal did so much better this season because they did the double over leicester.

Think everyone would say leicester achievements was far more better and meaningful.

Also not sure 4 flat decks will be a huge worry considering it will just add to the story, considering even in most flat decks they would be some help to the spinners and seamers on day 4-5 and chances are team will win games.

I would definitely prefer having 2 divisions than the system right now.
currently Test cricket means nothing, Players hate the current system, fan clearly don't like it either considering ratings are crap barring some games and even the media getting behind it since they can clearly see no one gives a crap about vast majority of test series.
the main point of the system is to give life to series like Sri lanka vs WI, WI vs SA, NZ vs WI etc.”

You can't compare the 2. The problem imo with the current system isn't the lack of a league, its the lack of meaning given to the individual series. Test cricket is like a fine wine, it takes TIME. In cricket you don't remember who was the World Number 1 at any given time, you remember the SERIES.

Over 5 tests a series can be full of twists and turns, ups and downs - Stories Develop. For 3 innings in a row and bowler could have the wood over a batsmen and work him over. Just when it looks like the axe could be on the cards, he works through it and then bang a 100. The time-less battle between bat and ball, bowler and batsmen is why test cricket began.

It can not be replicated with 2 back to back test which these days constitute a "series" then whoosh off to the next series/format - it just doesn't allow for enough TIME. And nor should it! It's not the reason the format was invented.

Simply put there's too much cricket played - as everyone knows - but more over there's too much pointless cricket played! Just to fill broadcast hours. Sri Lanka have toured here 3 times in the last 5 years!
Bhaveshgor
26-05-2016
But how would you give meaning to Sri lanka vs West indies then.
Also would say people remember the world number 1 then actual series wins.
Everyone remembers WI reign, likewise Australia reign and then South Africa reign.
You only have to look at Sky Sports own commentators saying they would like England to be World number 1.

I agree with your comments about Test cricket but with the amount of cricket played now hard to see that happening unless their reduce the amount of cricket played and Division cricket would do that.
mavreela
26-05-2016
Originally Posted by LOSG:
“It's asking for trouble in my opinion. Imagine a team needing to draw a 4 test match series to win the "league"/stay up. You're going to get 4 absolute roads as winning the actual series itself has no relevance.”

The reason the points system was first introduced in the women's Ashes was because as a one-off test the reigning holder only needed a draw to retain it. So they would play conservatively to not lose rather than to win.

The last I heard it had not been decided how relegation would work in the men's test division proposal, but one suggestion was that there could be some kind of playoff. Presumably between the bottom two placed sides, which which would solve that problem somewhat.

This issue though was also one of the problems that was never officially solved for the previous idea of a test championship playoff. But one of the ideas there was to bring back timeless tests, taking out the draw as a result so that teams had to play to win.
Bhaveshgor
26-05-2016
doubt they will bring timeless test back, that was only mooted because the original idea was a test world cup and obviously in a knock-out game you need a winner.

the division idea based on series so draws are ok.

Suspect they will copy the women odi championship where 3 test matches count toward the table and team get 3 pts for win and 1pt for draw.

each team will play each other home or away in a certain time period and team top of the table is champion and the team at the bottom will probably play a play off series against the top team in div 2.

teams can play extra games but won't count towards the table.
chrisr21
26-05-2016
There's a good piece on how it would work in this months The Cricketer Magazine I think. I'll dig it out later and post about it.

Anyway, Shane Warne is commentating on the T20 Blast on Sky tonight, alongside Ian Ward, Nasser Hussain and Nick Knight.

A "salmon & trout" (out) and "Globe" (duck) in the first 90 seconds from Warne. How long before we get "cherry" (ball/delivery)? I can't stand the guy.
Bhaveshgor
26-05-2016
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2...uld-be-two-di/
good article not sure I would agree with the 4 division bit though but the reason for a change is spot on.
chrisr21
26-05-2016
Originally Posted by chrisr21:
“There's a good piece on how it would work in this months The Cricketer Magazine I think. I'll dig it out later and post about it.”

7 countries in Division 1, 5 countries in Division 2
Division 1
Each of the 7 teams plays 3 series at home, 3 series away every 2 years
1 relegated after 2 years to division 2
Division 2
Each of the 5 teams plays 2 series at home, 2 series away every 2 years
1 relegation after 2 years to the Intercontinental Cup

All of that deliberately lasts about 5 months in total. It leaves room for countries to schedule extra games/series that don't count to the points in the divisions (so The Ashes can be 5 Tests, only 3 carry points that count in the championship).

Further plans for 2 groups of 6 in ODI's.

The article makes the point that people are more likely to watch a game with meaning than the usual series.
Case in point; during the initial round of the World T20, Ireland played Oman. At the same time, South Africa where playing Australia. Both games were live on Sky Sports simultaneously on 2 channels.

The game with context rated higher.

It is estimated that the chance of 2 divisions being introduced into Test Cricket stand at 50/50.
derek500
27-05-2016
Love the red button on Sky Q where now you don't lose the live coverage for a second as it is shifted to the left 2/3rd of the screen, with the options in the right 1/3rd.

Same with golf.
Bhaveshgor
27-05-2016
Wonder if this is a sign of Sky treating the blast and T20 stuff with the same importance as England Test matches considering Nasser hussain been promoting the Test matches summer in the adverts and then he missing 2 england test matches and instead been doing all the T20 games.
Neil_Harris
27-05-2016
Originally Posted by Bhaveshgor:
“Wonder if this is a sign of Sky treating the blast and T20 stuff with the same importance as England Test matches considering Nasser hussain been promoting the Test matches summer in the adverts and then he missing 2 england test matches and instead been doing all the T20 games.”

Yeah, I wondered that too. Seems like Sky's pitch to the ECB
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