Bloody hell.....jay was sooooooo stiff again tonight!!! 
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#rumbabumba
Why Is Jay So Stiff ?
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Originally Posted by kirstylouise666:
“Tbh I like Jay, though he's not my fave, but I just find him overrated online. People seem to watch him through rose tinted specks. He can do no wrong. I don't know why he is thought as superior to everyone else because I see him making just as many mistakes, if not more, than others. It's sad that it has to be like that, because it's really not his fault. If it had been anyone else then I would feel the same way. I just don't like predictable winners I guess, and I can admit when my fave, Georgia, has made mistakes and hasn't done so well.
Just wish more could do the same. I usually make comments about Jay out of annoyance of fans, but not him personally. I just think he is a bit overrated, but seems like a nice guy.”
“Tbh I like Jay, though he's not my fave, but I just find him overrated online. People seem to watch him through rose tinted specks. He can do no wrong. I don't know why he is thought as superior to everyone else because I see him making just as many mistakes, if not more, than others. It's sad that it has to be like that, because it's really not his fault. If it had been anyone else then I would feel the same way. I just don't like predictable winners I guess, and I can admit when my fave, Georgia, has made mistakes and hasn't done so well.
Just wish more could do the same. I usually make comments about Jay out of annoyance of fans, but not him personally. I just think he is a bit overrated, but seems like a nice guy.”
That's it in a nut shell really .
He is dull and that rumba was shockingly boring , while anita was amazing . Yet anita gets slapped down and put back in her girlie box while jay gets crowned king of wafty armed sticking out bum wiggling .
His 10's were very undeserved . 8's were far more apt .
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“That's it in a nut shell really .
He is dull and that rumba was shockingly boring , while anita was amazing . Yet anita gets slapped down and put back in her girlie box while jay gets crowned king of wafty armed sticking out bum wiggling .
His 10's were very undeserved . 8's were far more apt .”
“That's it in a nut shell really .
He is dull and that rumba was shockingly boring , while anita was amazing . Yet anita gets slapped down and put back in her girlie box while jay gets crowned king of wafty armed sticking out bum wiggling .
His 10's were very undeserved . 8's were far more apt .”
All the girls had big huge famous musical production numbers to get their teeth into...jay danced the rumba to a track I 'd never bloody heard of, yet still won the day.
Anita's 6 from craig was stupid.......but her AT was more fancy lifts (again, sigh) than steps OR flicks.... not that good.
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“That's it in a nut shell really .
He is dull and that rumba was shockingly boring , while anita was amazing . Yet anita gets slapped down and put back in her girlie box while jay gets crowned king of wafty armed sticking out bum wiggling .
His 10's were very undeserved . 8's were far more apt .”
“That's it in a nut shell really .
He is dull and that rumba was shockingly boring , while anita was amazing . Yet anita gets slapped down and put back in her girlie box while jay gets crowned king of wafty armed sticking out bum wiggling .
His 10's were very undeserved . 8's were far more apt .”
It wasn't dull and shockingly boring. It was beautiful, heartfelt and executed to perfection.
I like Anita very much, but she was the poorest dancer tonight.
Jays 10's were absolutely deserved.
In a nutshell..... Jay is a class act.
Originally Posted by Heatherbell:
“That's it in a nut shell really .
He is dull and that rumba was shockingly boring , while anita was amazing . Yet anita gets slapped down and put back in her girlie box while jay gets crowned king of wafty armed sticking out bum wiggling .
His 10's were very undeserved . 8's were far more apt .”
“That's it in a nut shell really .
He is dull and that rumba was shockingly boring , while anita was amazing . Yet anita gets slapped down and put back in her girlie box while jay gets crowned king of wafty armed sticking out bum wiggling .
His 10's were very undeserved . 8's were far more apt .”
Is that the definition of a Blokerumba?
Originally Posted by SeasideLady:
“Well Terry, he was dancing a Tango, so that stiffness and attack is what's required of him in that dance - the judges were wowed by it as were most people. If you look at the latest training video, you will see he is exactly the opposite for the Rumba - graceful, fluid and no sign of stiffness at all.”
“Well Terry, he was dancing a Tango, so that stiffness and attack is what's required of him in that dance - the judges were wowed by it as were most people. If you look at the latest training video, you will see he is exactly the opposite for the Rumba - graceful, fluid and no sign of stiffness at all.”
I agree SeasideLady people can easily be led, its the same with the whole lumberjack look last night, its being raved over, and he was stiff again all through the dance, how can that be ?
I actually thought the rumba was rather lacking. OK, I'm taking into account the fact that the music and song choice was boring. I didn't really believe the story.
But ok disregarding that issue for me, the rumba wasn't even that great. He does have some hip action, which was nice to see.. But I don't think he's that fluid. Huge heel lead at the start of the rumba basic walk. He lost balance when he was on one foot. His arms lack a bit of fluidity as well imo.
His tango last week was better.
And now he's tied for highest rumba on Strictly ever?? Sorry, not even close.
But ok disregarding that issue for me, the rumba wasn't even that great. He does have some hip action, which was nice to see.. But I don't think he's that fluid. Huge heel lead at the start of the rumba basic walk. He lost balance when he was on one foot. His arms lack a bit of fluidity as well imo.
His tango last week was better.
And now he's tied for highest rumba on Strictly ever?? Sorry, not even close.
Originally Posted by joshjackson:
“I actually thought the rumba was rather lacking. OK, I'm taking into account the fact that the music and song choice was boring. I didn't really believe the story.
But ok disregarding that issue for me, the rumba wasn't even that great. He does have some hip action, which was nice to see.. But I don't think he's that fluid. Huge heel lead at the start of the rumba basic walk. He lost balance when he was on one foot. His arms lack a bit of fluidity as well imo.
His tango last week was better.
And now he's tied for highest rumba on Strictly ever?? Sorry, not even close.”
“I actually thought the rumba was rather lacking. OK, I'm taking into account the fact that the music and song choice was boring. I didn't really believe the story.
But ok disregarding that issue for me, the rumba wasn't even that great. He does have some hip action, which was nice to see.. But I don't think he's that fluid. Huge heel lead at the start of the rumba basic walk. He lost balance when he was on one foot. His arms lack a bit of fluidity as well imo.
His tango last week was better.
And now he's tied for highest rumba on Strictly ever?? Sorry, not even close.”
I totally agree Josh, I was amazed at the over marking. It was an OK rumba - not great as you have expected after receiving 10's. I don't get the Jay adoration, after the Jive which was just wonderful, his dances did not impress me at all. He redeemed himself with the Tango, but then disappointed with this rumba. He is not as good a dancer as everyone keeps making out. Mind you he is on his way to the final and with the amount of support he gets, could well be the winner. The best dancer quite often does not win SCD.
Originally Posted by Jennifer_F:
“I totally agree Josh, I was amazed at the over marking. It was an OK rumba - not great as you have expected after receiving 10's. I don't get the Jay adoration, after the Jive which was just wonderful, his dances did not impress me at all. He redeemed himself with the Tango, but then disappointed with this rumba. He is not as good a dancer as everyone keeps making out. Mind you he is on his way to the final and with the amount of support he gets, could well be the winner. The best dancer quite often does not win SCD.”
“I totally agree Josh, I was amazed at the over marking. It was an OK rumba - not great as you have expected after receiving 10's. I don't get the Jay adoration, after the Jive which was just wonderful, his dances did not impress me at all. He redeemed himself with the Tango, but then disappointed with this rumba. He is not as good a dancer as everyone keeps making out. Mind you he is on his way to the final and with the amount of support he gets, could well be the winner. The best dancer quite often does not win SCD.”
I just ventured onto another thread because I thought everyone loved Jay and I really don't find him all that good and actually do other things when he is on. I did get a nice answer back - I really thought I was going to be pilloried! But it seems quite nice here! I'm sure he's a lovely boy but I get bored watching him. His deadpan face is very annoying. It has been remarked on by judges but he still hasn't done anything about it and now nothing is said. That dance from Pulp Fiction - wasn't a lot of the choreography pinched from the original? Or am I being a bit harsh?
Choice of musicals is always a bit odd though isn't it. I suppose they have to find ones that the band and singers can get through okayish. But who was doing the singing on the Les Mis dance.
Originally Posted by robbleona:
“All the girls had big huge famous musical production numbers to get their teeth into...jay danced the rumba to a track I 'd never bloody heard of, yet still won the day.
Anita's 6 from craig was stupid.......but her AT was more fancy lifts (again, sigh) than steps OR flicks.... not that good.”
“All the girls had big huge famous musical production numbers to get their teeth into...jay danced the rumba to a track I 'd never bloody heard of, yet still won the day.
Anita's 6 from craig was stupid.......but her AT was more fancy lifts (again, sigh) than steps OR flicks.... not that good.”
The girls all had the advantage of well known popular songs to dance to with the support of extra dancers.
IMO the extra dancers only hindered Georgia and more so Helen.
Jay had a little known song and due to the Musicals theme had to dress down to fit in with that theme. The song demands a subtle dance and he performed it beautifully.
I agree a 6 was a bit harsh for Anita - her performance level was high - footwork not as good. However from the comments on the forums Craigs score actually got her a huge sympathy vote as a result
Originally Posted by Carolyn_Brown:
“I just ventured onto another thread because I thought everyone loved Jay and I really don't find him all that good and actually do other things when he is on. I did get a nice answer back - I really thought I was going to be pilloried! But it seems quite nice here! I'm sure he's a lovely boy but I get bored watching him. His deadpan face is very annoying. It has been remarked on by judges but he still hasn't done anything about it and now nothing is said. That dance from Pulp Fiction - wasn't a lot of the choreography pinched from the original? Or am I being a bit harsh?
Choice of musicals is always a bit odd though isn't it. I suppose they have to find ones that the band and singers can get through okayish. But who was doing the singing on the Les Mis dance.”
“I just ventured onto another thread because I thought everyone loved Jay and I really don't find him all that good and actually do other things when he is on. I did get a nice answer back - I really thought I was going to be pilloried! But it seems quite nice here! I'm sure he's a lovely boy but I get bored watching him. His deadpan face is very annoying. It has been remarked on by judges but he still hasn't done anything about it and now nothing is said. That dance from Pulp Fiction - wasn't a lot of the choreography pinched from the original? Or am I being a bit harsh?
Choice of musicals is always a bit odd though isn't it. I suppose they have to find ones that the band and singers can get through okayish. But who was doing the singing on the Les Mis dance.”
The ballroom dances in particular have not been very good from a footwork and technique point of view, Tango aside. People quite rightly say that its harder for the man as he has to lead, which is true, but lets face it, he would not be leading as he does not know how to correctly. He has learned steps to a given piece of music, There has been an instance in Foxtrot or Smooth, where he admitted he forgot his steps and "lead" Aliona into an underarm turn. Its not all bad but its not as good as they make out. Lack of solid technique will always show.
Originally Posted by Jennifer_F:
“The ballroom dances in particular have not been very good from a footwork and technique point of view, Tango aside. People quite rightly say that its harder for the man as he has to lead, which is true, but lets face it, he would not be leading as he does not know how to correctly. He has learned steps to a given piece of music, There has been an instance in Foxtrot or Smooth, where he admitted he forgot his steps and "lead" Aliona into an underarm turn. Its not all bad but its not as good as they make out. Lack of solid technique will always show.”
“The ballroom dances in particular have not been very good from a footwork and technique point of view, Tango aside. People quite rightly say that its harder for the man as he has to lead, which is true, but lets face it, he would not be leading as he does not know how to correctly. He has learned steps to a given piece of music, There has been an instance in Foxtrot or Smooth, where he admitted he forgot his steps and "lead" Aliona into an underarm turn. Its not all bad but its not as good as they make out. Lack of solid technique will always show.”
Now I am beginning to suspect people are trying to make excuses not to like Jay. He was quite clearly leading Aliona in the Quickstepathon and forgot the steps in one routine so had to lead Aliona at the end.
First bloke rumba for many years that did not make me cringe.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Now I am beginning to suspect people are trying to make excuses not to like Jay. He was quite clearly leading Aliona in the Quickstepathon and forgot the steps in one routine so had to lead Aliona at the end.
First bloke rumba for many years that did not make me cringe.”
“Now I am beginning to suspect people are trying to make excuses not to like Jay. He was quite clearly leading Aliona in the Quickstepathon and forgot the steps in one routine so had to lead Aliona at the end.
First bloke rumba for many years that did not make me cringe.”
I am not one of those, I have no favourites and am totally unbiased. I am basing my comments on many years of experience but of course, my opinions are just that, opinions. I am not saying that it was a bad rumba, in fact it was quite good, but NOT as good as they have made out. Other posters have said about his balance in places and bad footwork in places, and they are not wrong. I don't feel the need to like him ( or not) to form an informed opinion. To me, if you have not got the basics right, the dance will always look not so good as it could. I really didnt like the QS by the way, it looked way too frantic, QS should be smooth and "swingy".
Originally Posted by Jennifer_F:
“I am not one of those, I have no favourites and am totally unbiased. I am basing my comments on many years of experience but of course, my opinions are just that, opinions. I am not saying that it was a bad rumba, in fact it was quite good, but NOT as good as they have made out. Other posters have said about his balance in places and bad footwork in places, and they are not wrong. I don't feel the need to like him ( or not) to form an informed opinion. To me, if you have not got the basics right, the dance will always look not so good as it could. I really didnt like the QS by the way, it looked way too frantic, QS should be smooth and "swingy".”
“I am not one of those, I have no favourites and am totally unbiased. I am basing my comments on many years of experience but of course, my opinions are just that, opinions. I am not saying that it was a bad rumba, in fact it was quite good, but NOT as good as they have made out. Other posters have said about his balance in places and bad footwork in places, and they are not wrong. I don't feel the need to like him ( or not) to form an informed opinion. To me, if you have not got the basics right, the dance will always look not so good as it could. I really didnt like the QS by the way, it looked way too frantic, QS should be smooth and "swingy".”
Just watched Jay's rumba, Jennifer, and I agree with you. I am so disappointed with it after seeing he was top of the board. It was quite good but overrated. His upper body was lacking strength and poise. That is my main criticism. And I didn't really feel he made the step transitions that well; ie transfer weight up onto straight leg and then settle. The movement was lacking in definition, sometimes looking a bit like he was just walking.
Originally Posted by Carolyn_Brown:
“I just ventured onto another thread because I thought everyone loved Jay and I really don't find him all that good and actually do other things when he is on. I did get a nice answer back - I really thought I was going to be pilloried! But it seems quite nice here! I'm sure he's a lovely boy but I get bored watching him. His deadpan face is very annoying. It has been remarked on by judges but he still hasn't done anything about it and now nothing is said. That dance from Pulp Fiction - wasn't a lot of the choreography pinched from the original? Or am I being a bit harsh?
Choice of musicals is always a bit odd though isn't it. I suppose they have to find ones that the band and singers can get through okayish. But who was doing the singing on the Les Mis dance.”
“I just ventured onto another thread because I thought everyone loved Jay and I really don't find him all that good and actually do other things when he is on. I did get a nice answer back - I really thought I was going to be pilloried! But it seems quite nice here! I'm sure he's a lovely boy but I get bored watching him. His deadpan face is very annoying. It has been remarked on by judges but he still hasn't done anything about it and now nothing is said. That dance from Pulp Fiction - wasn't a lot of the choreography pinched from the original? Or am I being a bit harsh?
Choice of musicals is always a bit odd though isn't it. I suppose they have to find ones that the band and singers can get through okayish. But who was doing the singing on the Les Mis dance.”
There's barely any choreography in Pulp Fiction. It's mostly head shots as Uma Thurman is an actor, not a dancer, and so didn't actually dance very much.
Originally Posted by Fred.:
“There's barely any choreography in Pulp Fiction. It's mostly head shots as Uma Thurman is an actor, not a dancer, and so didn't actually dance very much.”
“There's barely any choreography in Pulp Fiction. It's mostly head shots as Uma Thurman is an actor, not a dancer, and so didn't actually dance very much.”
Yeah I don't get this criticism at all. It had Pulp Fiction inspired moves, befitting the theme, but they're hardly doing a full on jive in the film. Doing the twist is hardly lifting choreography. It was amazing.
I loved his Rumba, it moved me. I did like the simplicity of the costumes, but thought the jeans in particular might have restricted the view of the movement a bit.
Originally Posted by Fred.:
“There's barely any choreography in Pulp Fiction. It's mostly head shots as Uma Thurman is an actor, not a dancer, and so didn't actually dance very much.”
“There's barely any choreography in Pulp Fiction. It's mostly head shots as Uma Thurman is an actor, not a dancer, and so didn't actually dance very much.”
........and what little choreography there is in Pulp Fiction is based around the twist!!
In a slow dance where Jay had little dance content to perform his lack of expressiveness was noticeable. I thought his dance performance was third best behind Georgia (filled with dance content & some expressiveness) and Anita (filled with dance content and a lot of expressiveness).
Originally Posted by MinaH:
“In a slow dance where Jay had little dance content to perform his lack of expressiveness was noticeable. I thought his dance performance was third best behind Georgia (filled with dance content & some expressiveness) and Anita (filled with dance content and a lot of expressiveness).”
“In a slow dance where Jay had little dance content to perform his lack of expressiveness was noticeable. I thought his dance performance was third best behind Georgia (filled with dance content & some expressiveness) and Anita (filled with dance content and a lot of expressiveness).”
Please explain how a very intimate & introverted song can be treated in any other way choreographically?
Aliona pitched the tone of the rumba brilliantly. Most of the songs Jay has danced to have not required the OTT gurn fest which so many seem to be looking for.
Georgia was lovely last night, however much of her dancing was obscured by the mobile crockery.
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Please explain how a very intimate & introverted song can be treated in any other way choreographically?
Aliona pitched the tone of the rumba brilliantly. Most of the songs Jay has danced to have not required the OTT gurn fest which so many seem to be looking for.
Georgia was lovely last night, however much of her dancing was obscured by the mobile crockery.”
“Please explain how a very intimate & introverted song can be treated in any other way choreographically?
Aliona pitched the tone of the rumba brilliantly. Most of the songs Jay has danced to have not required the OTT gurn fest which so many seem to be looking for.
Georgia was lovely last night, however much of her dancing was obscured by the mobile crockery.”
I didn't have any issue with the dance content. It had basic walks, opening outs, alemana, all those basic steps. I think most of us took issue with the QUALITY of movement/dance, in other words the quality in the execution of the dance.
Originally Posted by Carolyn_Brown:
“I just ventured onto another thread because I thought everyone loved Jay and I really don't find him all that good and actually do other things when he is on. I did get a nice answer back - I really thought I was going to be pilloried! But it seems quite nice here! I'm sure he's a lovely boy but I get bored watching him. His deadpan face is very annoying. It has been remarked on by judges but he still hasn't done anything about it and now nothing is said. That dance from Pulp Fiction - wasn't a lot of the choreography pinched from the original? Or am I being a bit harsh?
Choice of musicals is always a bit odd though isn't it. I suppose they have to find ones that the band and singers can get through okayish. But who was doing the singing on the Les Mis dance.”
“I just ventured onto another thread because I thought everyone loved Jay and I really don't find him all that good and actually do other things when he is on. I did get a nice answer back - I really thought I was going to be pilloried! But it seems quite nice here! I'm sure he's a lovely boy but I get bored watching him. His deadpan face is very annoying. It has been remarked on by judges but he still hasn't done anything about it and now nothing is said. That dance from Pulp Fiction - wasn't a lot of the choreography pinched from the original? Or am I being a bit harsh?
Choice of musicals is always a bit odd though isn't it. I suppose they have to find ones that the band and singers can get through okayish. But who was doing the singing on the Les Mis dance.”
Its hard to disagree with anything you say Carolyn, I'm also quite sure that Jay is a very nice boy, I'm just quite curious to know why he hasn't tried to do anything about the deadpan face, he has had feedback from the judges as you say so its not as if he is unaware.
Its one thing being very stiff but if you can't show any emotion whats the point.
Watched the dance back five or six times and I'm still not seeing the stiffness. He is very fluid in his movements.
Originally Posted by shelleyj89:
“Watched the dance back five or six times and I'm still not seeing the stiffness. He is very fluid in his movements.”
“Watched the dance back five or six times and I'm still not seeing the stiffness. He is very fluid in his movements.”
It was quite apparent to me shelley on a first viewing.
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