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The 'AM death watch' thread...
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MikeBr
23-12-2015
Originally Posted by radamfi:
“AM is still big in Spain.”

Not sure about big because I haven't seen any figures on the weekly reach of FM and AM.

Radio Nacional de Espana has five networks, two of these RNE1 and RNE5 are carried on AM to cover gaps in the FM coverage.

There are 89 AM stations from the commercial networks listed in the current WRTH all of whom have FM outlets.

The WRTH says at the start of its listings of commercial stations

"Only stations with MW broadcasts and FM networks are listed. A number of other stations are heard irregularly. There are approximately 2400 FM stations."

Not all FM stations I believe are properly licenced. The number of commercial AM stations in Spain is slowly decreasing, once the transmitters become difficult to maintain they are closing them.
hanssolo
23-12-2015
Originally Posted by radamfi:
“AM is still big in Spain.”

Some stations are simulcasting on AM and FM, Even if AM is losing listeners RTVE is funded by the Government , other broadcasters and phone operators, so does not seem under pressure to reduce budgets?.
Colin_London
23-12-2015
Originally Posted by hanssolo:
“Some stations are simulcasting on AM and FM, Even if AM is losing listeners RTVE is funded by the Government , other broadcasters and phone operators, so does not seem under pressure to reduce budgets?.”

I can't believe that the Spanish Government is throwing money around at present seeing they were going the same way as Greece.

The shutdown in France may make them realise there are savings to be made.
swb1964
23-12-2015
Nearest the bull then guys. One day soon we will tune across the medium wave band in the day time to hear nothing but static in the attic.

What year do you reckon that will be. I'm going for 2027.
jimbo
24-12-2015
Does anyone know the exact time of the closedown of MW transmitters in France on 31 December please? we know the German ones finish at 2255 UTC and Luxembourg at 0001 UTC (on 1 January), but what about France? What time are they all closing?

Thanks
Colin_London
25-12-2015
Radio France have now published this article about the 'extinction' of Medium Wave.

http://www.radiofrance.fr/extinction-des-ondes-moyennes

They have also listed the replacement FM frequencies for each MW transmission area here:

http://www.radiofrance.fr/sites/defa...s_moyennes.pdf

In answer to the above question it is '2400' local so that's 2300 UTC.

So works out well for recording the events: Germany at 2255 UTC, then France at 2300 then Luxembourg at 0000.

And then we'll have a MW band with lots of empty spaces in it.
swb1964
25-12-2015
It talks about the Long Wave switch off for this time next year. I wonder if this is just 162 or if the commercial operators will join in?
Colin_London
25-12-2015
Originally Posted by swb1964:
“It talks about the Long Wave switch off for this time next year. I wonder if this is just 162 or if the commercial operators will join in?”

It's talking about 162, but of course between now and then the commercial operators may decide it's a convenient excuse to join in. RMC are already making noises.

Here are the best frequencies to listen on in the UK on New Years Eve:

549kHz Nordkirchen (Deutschlandfunk)
756kHz Konigslutter (Deutschlandfunk)

1377kHz Lille (France Info)
864kHz Villebon-sur-Yvette (France Bleu)

1440kHz Marnach (RTL)
jimbo
25-12-2015
Originally Posted by Colin_London:
“Radio France have now published this article about the 'extinction' of Medium Wave.

http://www.radiofrance.fr/extinction-des-ondes-moyennes

They have also listed the replacement FM frequencies for each MW transmission area here:

http://www.radiofrance.fr/sites/defa...s_moyennes.pdf

In answer to the above question it is '2400' local so that's 2300 UTC.

So works out well for recording the events: Germany at 2255 UTC, then France at 2300 then Luxembourg at 0000.

And then we'll have a MW band with lots of empty spaces in it.”

Luxembourg is at 0001 UTC - national anthem takes about a minute to play!
But yes inde3ed you can get all three of them
FmBandScan
25-12-2015
Originally Posted by Colin_London:
“It's talking about 162, but of course between now and then the commercial operators may decide it's a convenient excuse to join in. RMC are already making noises.

Here are the best frequencies to listen on in the UK on New Years Eve:

549kHz Nordkirchen (Deutschlandfunk)
756kHz Konigslutter (Deutschlandfunk)

1377kHz Lille (France Info)
864kHz Villebon-sur-Yvette (France Bleu)

1440kHz Marnach (RTL)”

I would say 1422 is the best frequency for Deutschlandfunk in the UK, followed by 756 then 1269 and 549, 549 being last due to Spirit radio Ireland.

But all in all a very sad day for MW
jimbo
25-12-2015
Originally Posted by FmBandScan:
“I would say 1422 is the best frequency for Deutschlandfunk in the UK, followed by 756 then 1269 and 549, 549 being last due to Spirit radio Ireland.

But all in all a very sad day for MW ”

Yes 1422 is best. In the old days, Bayrischerundfunk was on 1422 and DLF was on 1269. Now they are all the same so 1422 is best.

I would suggest going to 1422 first, then 1377 then 1440 if you want to catch all the closedowns. Hope someone can record them for me as I cannot record from MW easily.

Please let me know if anyone can do this please? Thanks very much in advance.
swb1964
25-12-2015
Do you have a smartphone? If so you could use a voice recording app and stick your phone by the radio.Crude but effective.
jimbo
26-12-2015
Originally Posted by swb1964:
“Do you have a smartphone? If so you could use a voice recording app and stick your phone by the radio.Crude but effective.”

No sorry. I do not have a smartphone!
martinwatkins
26-12-2015
1242 kHz (Marseille) and 1557 kHz do come skipping their way over here nicely after dark - particularly late evening - but in some areas they are of course obliterated by ILRs.

As others have said, the MW band is going to be a very different place on 1st Jan.
swb1964
26-12-2015
We know about France and Germany. What about Belgium and the Netherlands? When do they plan to stop broadcasting on AM?
jimbo
26-12-2015
Originally Posted by swb1964:
“We know about France and Germany. What about Belgium and the Netherlands? When do they plan to stop broadcasting on AM?”

Netherlands has stopped apart from 1008 kHz I think but the only frequency I knew for Belgium was 1512 kHz - and I don't think that is on air any more.
MikeBr
26-12-2015
Originally Posted by jimbo:
“Netherlands has stopped apart from 1008 kHz I think but the only frequency I knew for Belgium was 1512 kHz - and I don't think that is on air any more.”

RTBF Internationale from French speaking Belgium is on 621 with 300kw 0400-2305 with relays of RTBF to Western Europe. There's a 9kw transmitter in Houdeng on 1125 with Programme 2.

Dutch mediumwave frequencies are 891 Radio 538, 1008 Groot Nieuws Radio, 1116 Radio Bloemendaal, 1566 Valon Hindustani Radio, 1584 Radio Paradijs, 1602 Radio Seagull.
jimbo
27-12-2015
Originally Posted by MikeBr:
“RTBF Internationale from French speaking Belgium is on 621 with 300kw 0400-2305 with relays of RTBF to Western Europe. There's a 9kw transmitter in Houdeng on 1125 with Programme 2.

Dutch mediumwave frequencies are 891 Radio 538, 1008 Groot Nieuws Radio, 1116 Radio Bloemendaal, 1566 Valon Hindustani Radio, 1584 Radio Paradijs, 1602 Radio Seagull.”

Thanks for that on Belgium and Holland. I did not know the French Belgium frequencies. I assume there is none for the Flemish part now? I have not heard of any plans to close 621 and 1125 kHz though.
Phil_Webster
27-12-2015
It will be a lot quieter on the wavebands after the new year. Bet the no joy brigade will still go after the pirates though accusing them of stealing wavelengths should any be bold enough to try their hand on AM
swb1964
27-12-2015
Listening to 1440 right now and RTL seem to have really turned up the power! Could just be favourable atmospherics but they seem to be going out in style!
jimbo
28-12-2015
Originally Posted by swb1964:
“Listening to 1440 right now and RTL seem to have really turned up the power! Could just be favourable atmospherics but they seem to be going out in style!”

The reception was quite good last night - but it seems to depend on the weather.

Sometimes in the morning I will get it right up to switch off at 1210 - sometimes I don't get it at all. If it is cloudy it is more chance of getting signal, but e4ven then you can't be sure.

If it is raining though you may be in better luck. However, I have yet to discover exactly what makes MW conditions better.
David_Ayling
31-12-2015
found this bit of info about the MW closing on 603khz in FRANCE

Quote:
“Last minute info: Radio France's transmitters in LYON on 603 kHz, will NOT close tonight. It will be off the air, only from January 4th at midnight. The reason, this frequency will broadcast this Sunday the Holy Mass for the sick people at 0600 PM. This Mass hold by Notre Dame des Ondes is on the air for without interruption for 77 years.
Christian Ghibaudo, WRTH fb yg (31/12-2015)
”

http://mediumwave.info/news.html
Gerry1
31-12-2015
Sadly, Herman Boel has announced that his European MW Guide and European LW Guide will no longer be maintained.

Great shame because they were a very useful resource...
swb1964
31-12-2015
Frequency finder keeps a pretty up to date list of both medium and long wave stations.
Colin_London
31-12-2015
The Twente server is maxed out with people listening to MW at the moment. Can't think why!

If that time change for RTL is true it sort of mucks up the recording plan with next to no time between RTL & Radio France switchoff.
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