So yes or no is to limiting.

There is no point in trying to have a proper debate is there. Yvette comes out and mentions CC's abuse of Tony's children and we get she's a liar, she's stirring. Chris comes out and directly mentions CC's abuse of Tony and we get silence or well he didn't mention any abuse of his children. Duncan comes out and mentions the abuse by CC of Tony's children and we get the well he is implicated, he is biased.
Tony comes out and as I had predicted earlier today he didn't mention it and all of a sudden its well he didn't mention it nudge nudge wink wink ipso facto it did not happen.

Sadly I am not the least bit surprised.

But surely you can see that by Tony not saying anything, that it probably didn't happen otherwise he would have been outraged. I believe Duncan and Yvette were referring to 'I bet your kids are ashamed to have you as a father' and obviously it hasn't upset Tony or he would have said so.

So both Yvette and Duncan told the same lie in their exit interview .......

I don't think anyone person is saying it's a lie.........but it could be a fuss over nothing.

Until we know what was said, we can't really judge how bad it could have been, or not as the case may be. Stirring the pot.

They could have been making mountains out of molehills. We may never know what was actually said, who knows.

Not at all. Look back at my posts from earlier today as I said earlier I didn't expect Tony to mention anything specific about abuse of his kids by CC. It's not something I would do as a father, abuse aimed at me yes but I wouldn't bring up abuse of my kids.

And as I posted earlier I don't expect whoever leaves tomorrow to mention the abuse either, unless it's Kieron as he said Something like you cannot defend her after the best legate episode.

We all heard Lady C laying into Tony and Duncan and laughed along, well I did The only question was did she abuse his children and if she did what exactly was the abuse.

Personally I don't see how it is possible to debate something so lacking in any detail though I would say if so much stock is put by Yvette and Duncan alluding to Lady C going for Tony's children then equally as much stock has to be put by Tony not even remotely mentioning it.

He was saying why do I need to dress up as a Idiot in a chambermaid or bellhop costume when there was no point to it, except to serve his camp mates. It wasn't a task to win anything.

I believe he would have done it if it was a trial no problem to win food or dollars. Also are you saying it was beneath jorge too as she didn't do it. Lady C refused to wash dishes in her dingo dollar challenge as she actually made it clear it is beneath her ("I didn't come in her to do this")and that was actually to win something. Are you saying pot washers are not as important as chambermaids or bell hops then?

Maybe not. But it resulted in all the dingo dollars that they had won, being taken away.

So not a task to win, but a task to lose in fact.

That's true. However once you take out the VT the exit interview is probably around 5 minutes. If we were shown the whole argument do you not think it odd that the one comment both made was about his children. Not the tarts comment, not the he couldn't sing, but his children?

When he was being interviewed by Ant and Dec and he was drinking that glass of champagne, I wonder if the person who poured that for him felt humiliated?

Furthermore he made a point that he would do other things because he classes them as a challenge. Unfortunately he didn't recognise that the servant task was also a challenge but simply of a different nature.

Yes. Why are you so determined to believe them over Tony.

So what big deal? Why is no one crucifying Jorgie then for refusing or Lady C for refusing? We all know Lady C chose Tony to do the task of waiting on them as she wanted to make his life miserable and pay him back for voting her least hardworking and she would have belittled him badly. Tony hardly committed a crime. It lost them a couple of dingo dollars (packet of crisps) so what and both Jorgie and Tony lost it and then camp were ALL behind the decision. Lady C lost them two whole evening meals refusing to do tasks.

Well, in all honesty I can't be outraged because I don't know if what was said was horrendous enough to be outraged by.

I can't say what was said. Whether it was a storm in a teacup or a complete OMG moment.

I don't think neither you nor I or anyone else for that matter can judge at the moment, so it does seem a tad 'what's the point.'

We can mull this over until the end of time, but unless we actually know what we are mulling over, it's all a bit pointless IMO!

I think you'll find it was Kieron that suggested Tony initially and Chris and Lady C agreed. He suggested Tony because he said Tony wanted to do more, or something alone those lines. So why isn't anyone blaming Kieron for putting Tony up for the job.

No that's wrong. How are you remembering something which didn't happen? Jorgie WAS prepared to do it.

Didn't he say something to the effect of he prefers to get stuck in, and when everyone does their bit?

He then went on to give an excuse as to why he refused to something.

Pretty much sums Tony up.

Yes he pointed to his head as if those challenges were mentally challenging, psychological I suppose, mind over matter stuff but so would have been him playing a chamber maid or bell boy role surely.

Personally I think it was as much about him being a lazy get as having a thing about Lady C. Mind she was clearly the bottom of the pecking order as he had no qualms not doing it for her as did the whole camp whereas if it had been Duncan or Susannah or Tony himself even it would have been a very different story.

She said she was really tired. She could have done it on her own but didn't, did she? She refused too but so what, it was a stupid task that won them nothing and was only designed to belittle them, so Lady C could treat Tony like crap because he made Lady C the least hardworking in a task

Well if you had bothered to read my post I had already said I didn't expect him to mention it.

If Tony does a CC and sells his story to the gutter press and he mentions it then does that then make CC guilty or will there be another excuse thrown up.

The really good thing is this topic will be here if and when the truth comes out and we will see who was right and who was wrong and it can only be one side who can claim the moral high ground.

Every day they do challenges in the Dingo Dollars challenge for things like a simple bar of chocolate, and when they win it they really appreciate it.

I think i'd rather do the servant challenge than saw that big bloody tree log all day.

You are just trying to defer from discussing any of my points. It was a pointless task and didn't win anything so why should any of them done it

It's hard to take opinions seriously if they are literally saying that Lady C abused Tony's children.

His. Youngest is only three. I think he was more concerned about seeing his children than talking about them.

As you aren't taking into account it was Kieron and not Lady C that nominated Tony for chambermaid. That kinda changes your argument on that one.

As I said, it wasn't a task to win, it was however a task that because they didn't complete made them lose the dingo dollars that they had won.

I have a notion that had roles been reversed and Lady C had refused to be a chambermaid or bell boy, all hell would have broken loose. Especially as dingo dollars would have been lost. Of course, we'll never know, but I have this uncanny feeling I could be right.



Edit. By defer, do you mean getting the facts correct?

Why exactly