Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“Why exactly”
“Why exactly”
We don't even know what was said yet you're describing Lady C as abusing Tony's children.
I can't believe that you even need to ask why.
Tony refusing to be a chambermaid
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We don't even know what was said yet you're describing Lady C as abusing Tony's children.
I can't believe that you even need to ask why.
Originally Posted by Scamps8:
“So what big deal? Why is no one crucifying Jorgie then for refusing or Lady C for refusing? We all know Lady C chose Tony to do the task of waiting on them as she wanted to make his life miserable and pay him back for voting her least hardworking and she would have belittled him badly. Tony hardly committed a crime. It lost them a couple of dingo dollars (packet of crisps) so what and both Jorgie and Tony lost it and then camp were ALL behind the decision. Lady C lost them two whole evening meals refusing to do tasks.”
“So what big deal? Why is no one crucifying Jorgie then for refusing or Lady C for refusing? We all know Lady C chose Tony to do the task of waiting on them as she wanted to make his life miserable and pay him back for voting her least hardworking and she would have belittled him badly. Tony hardly committed a crime. It lost them a couple of dingo dollars (packet of crisps) so what and both Jorgie and Tony lost it and then camp were ALL behind the decision. Lady C lost them two whole evening meals refusing to do tasks.”
We all do know why Keiron, chose Tony as we witnessed his reason.
It was plain and simple jealousy on the part of those who didn't win the task due to the luxury on offer.
They were so petty they didn't even wish them good luck as they set off for their challenge. So imagine their 'disappointment' when Keiron & co won!
Originally Posted by Alrightmate:
“We don't even know what was said yet you're describing Lady C as abusing Tony's children.
I can't believe that you even need to ask why.”
“We don't even know what was said yet you're describing Lady C as abusing Tony's children.
I can't believe that you even need to ask why.”
Have I gone back in time, are Yvette and Duncan still in the jungle because I am sure both made reference to CC going too far bring Tony's children into it. Now in that argument she called his ex girlfriends tarts and lambasted his vocal talent and since we didn't hear her mention his kids it must have been cut, wonder why?
Originally Posted by Daisy450:
“As Duncan said yesterday, it was a big ask for what was going to be a reward of 1 small chocolate bar, he also said Jorgie had had a long day.nand was tired
I hardly think he was dissing the whole hospitality industry.”
“As Duncan said yesterday, it was a big ask for what was going to be a reward of 1 small chocolate bar, he also said Jorgie had had a long day.nand was tired
I hardly think he was dissing the whole hospitality industry.”
However, the big question about forfeits was asked (by Keiron) and never answered:
Did Tony and the others know, for certain, that Keiron, Chris and Lady C would still get their treat, even if Tony and Jorgy refused to play the roles of chambermaid and bellboy?
If they didn't have confirmation of that fact, then they were knowingly putting the treat at risk.
You can argue that the nine campmates had the right to decide what to do with the Dingo Dimes which had been earned by, and for the benefit of, all 12 campmates.
You can overlook the fact that Duncan had been mightily displeased by the fact that a 'majority' vote on how to use the dingo dimes had been taken while he was asleep - leading him to dispute the validity of the vote.
You can argue that the dingo dimes which were forfeited would only have gained a bar of chocolate - while overlooking the delight which the campmates show when they win that kind of treat in the Dingo Dollars challenges. Not to mention how disappointed and deflated they look when they don't win those challenges.
You can overlook the fact that Tony and Duncan did not greet the loss of 'their' small dingo dollars treat with equanimity. Instead, they expressed a wish to find out who had given the wrong answer; marched back into camp, in high dudgeon, in pursuit of that purpose - only to find that the campmates had given the same (wrong) answer as them. Double deflated!
It's difficult to overlook the fact that Tony and Jorgy's decision put other people's hard-won treat at risk. And it's difficult to argue - based on what we have seen and heard - that they cared a jot about that risk.
Originally Posted by washboard:
“However, the big question about forfeits was asked (by Keiron) and never answered:
Did Tony and the others know, for certain, that Keiron, Chris and Lady C would still get their treat, even if Tony and Jorgy refused to play the roles of chambermaid and bellboy?
If they didn't have confirmation of that fact, then they were knowingly putting the treat at risk.
You can argue that the nine campmates had the right to decide what to do with the Dingo Dimes which had been earned by, and for the benefit of, all 12 campmates.
You can overlook the fact that Duncan had been mightily displeased by the fact that a 'majority' vote on how to use the dingo dimes had been taken while he was asleep - leading him to dispute the validity of the vote.
You can argue that the dingo dimes which were forfeited would only have gained a bar of chocolate - while overlooking the delight which the campmates show when they win that kind of treat in the Dingo Dollars challenges. Not to mention how disappointed and deflated they look when they don't win those challenges.
You can overlook the fact that Tony and Duncan did not greet the loss of 'their' small dingo dollars treat with equanimity. Instead, they expressed a wish to find out who had given the wrong answer; marched back into camp, in high dudgeon, in pursuit of that purpose - only to find that the campmates had given the same (wrong) answer as them. Double deflated!
It's difficult to overlook the fact that Tony and Jorgy's decision put other people's hard-won treat at risk. And it's difficult to argue - based on what we have seen and heard - that they cared a jot about that risk.”
“However, the big question about forfeits was asked (by Keiron) and never answered:
Did Tony and the others know, for certain, that Keiron, Chris and Lady C would still get their treat, even if Tony and Jorgy refused to play the roles of chambermaid and bellboy?
If they didn't have confirmation of that fact, then they were knowingly putting the treat at risk.
You can argue that the nine campmates had the right to decide what to do with the Dingo Dimes which had been earned by, and for the benefit of, all 12 campmates.
You can overlook the fact that Duncan had been mightily displeased by the fact that a 'majority' vote on how to use the dingo dimes had been taken while he was asleep - leading him to dispute the validity of the vote.
You can argue that the dingo dimes which were forfeited would only have gained a bar of chocolate - while overlooking the delight which the campmates show when they win that kind of treat in the Dingo Dollars challenges. Not to mention how disappointed and deflated they look when they don't win those challenges.
You can overlook the fact that Tony and Duncan did not greet the loss of 'their' small dingo dollars treat with equanimity. Instead, they expressed a wish to find out who had given the wrong answer; marched back into camp, in high dudgeon, in pursuit of that purpose - only to find that the campmates had given the same (wrong) answer as them. Double deflated!
It's difficult to overlook the fact that Tony and Jorgy's decision put other people's hard-won treat at risk. And it's difficult to argue - based on what we have seen and heard - that they cared a jot about that risk.”
Extremely well put.
Confucius might say.....always be humble and show gratitude to whoever provides your food and your hotel stay.
Originally Posted by washboard:
“However, the big question about forfeits was asked (by Keiron) and never answered:
Did Tony and the others know, for certain, that Keiron, Chris and Lady C would still get their treat, even if Tony and Jorgy refused to play the roles of chambermaid and bellboy?
If they didn't have confirmation of that fact, then they were knowingly putting the treat at risk.
You can argue that the nine campmates had the right to decide what to do with the Dingo Dimes which had been earned by, and for the benefit of, all 12 campmates.
You can overlook the fact that Duncan had been mightily displeased by the fact that a 'majority' vote on how to use the dingo dimes had been taken while he was asleep - leading him to dispute the validity of the vote.
You can argue that the dingo dimes which were forfeited would only have gained a bar of chocolate - while overlooking the delight which the campmates show when they win that kind of treat in the Dingo Dollars challenges. Not to mention how disappointed and deflated they look when they don't win those challenges.
You can overlook the fact that Tony and Duncan did not greet the loss of 'their' small dingo dollars treat with equanimity. Instead, they expressed a wish to find out who had given the wrong answer; marched back into camp, in high dudgeon, in pursuit of that purpose - only to find that the campmates had given the same (wrong) answer as them. Double deflated!
It's difficult to overlook the fact that Tony and Jorgy's decision put other people's hard-won treat at risk. And it's difficult to argue - based on what we have seen and heard - that they cared a jot about that risk.”
“However, the big question about forfeits was asked (by Keiron) and never answered:
Did Tony and the others know, for certain, that Keiron, Chris and Lady C would still get their treat, even if Tony and Jorgy refused to play the roles of chambermaid and bellboy?
If they didn't have confirmation of that fact, then they were knowingly putting the treat at risk.
You can argue that the nine campmates had the right to decide what to do with the Dingo Dimes which had been earned by, and for the benefit of, all 12 campmates.
You can overlook the fact that Duncan had been mightily displeased by the fact that a 'majority' vote on how to use the dingo dimes had been taken while he was asleep - leading him to dispute the validity of the vote.
You can argue that the dingo dimes which were forfeited would only have gained a bar of chocolate - while overlooking the delight which the campmates show when they win that kind of treat in the Dingo Dollars challenges. Not to mention how disappointed and deflated they look when they don't win those challenges.
You can overlook the fact that Tony and Duncan did not greet the loss of 'their' small dingo dollars treat with equanimity. Instead, they expressed a wish to find out who had given the wrong answer; marched back into camp, in high dudgeon, in pursuit of that purpose - only to find that the campmates had given the same (wrong) answer as them. Double deflated!
It's difficult to overlook the fact that Tony and Jorgy's decision put other people's hard-won treat at risk. And it's difficult to argue - based on what we have seen and heard - that they cared a jot about that risk.”
No I'm fine. I can overlook it all
Let's face it the dingo dollars part is hardly rewarding is it? And that's even if they win it.
It's an extra but not its not going to feed them for a week is it.
Originally Posted by washboard:
“However, the big question about forfeits was asked (by Keiron) and never answered:
Did Tony and the others know, for certain, that Keiron, Chris and Lady C would still get their treat, even if Tony and Jorgy refused to play the roles of chambermaid and bellboy?
If they didn't have confirmation of that fact, then they were knowingly putting the treat at risk.
You can argue that the nine campmates had the right to decide what to do with the Dingo Dimes which had been earned by, and for the benefit of, all 12 campmates.
You can overlook the fact that Duncan had been mightily displeased by the fact that a 'majority' vote on how to use the dingo dimes had been taken while he was asleep - leading him to dispute the validity of the vote.
You can argue that the dingo dimes which were forfeited would only have gained a bar of chocolate - while overlooking the delight which the campmates show when they win that kind of treat in the Dingo Dollars challenges. Not to mention how disappointed and deflated they look when they don't win those challenges.
You can overlook the fact that Tony and Duncan did not greet the loss of 'their' small dingo dollars treat with equanimity. Instead, they expressed a wish to find out who had given the wrong answer; marched back into camp, in high dudgeon, in pursuit of that purpose - only to find that the campmates had given the same (wrong) answer as them. Double deflated!
It's difficult to overlook the fact that Tony and Jorgy's decision put other people's hard-won treat at risk. And it's difficult to argue - based on what we have seen and heard - that they cared a jot about that risk.”
“However, the big question about forfeits was asked (by Keiron) and never answered:
Did Tony and the others know, for certain, that Keiron, Chris and Lady C would still get their treat, even if Tony and Jorgy refused to play the roles of chambermaid and bellboy?
If they didn't have confirmation of that fact, then they were knowingly putting the treat at risk.
You can argue that the nine campmates had the right to decide what to do with the Dingo Dimes which had been earned by, and for the benefit of, all 12 campmates.
You can overlook the fact that Duncan had been mightily displeased by the fact that a 'majority' vote on how to use the dingo dimes had been taken while he was asleep - leading him to dispute the validity of the vote.
You can argue that the dingo dimes which were forfeited would only have gained a bar of chocolate - while overlooking the delight which the campmates show when they win that kind of treat in the Dingo Dollars challenges. Not to mention how disappointed and deflated they look when they don't win those challenges.
You can overlook the fact that Tony and Duncan did not greet the loss of 'their' small dingo dollars treat with equanimity. Instead, they expressed a wish to find out who had given the wrong answer; marched back into camp, in high dudgeon, in pursuit of that purpose - only to find that the campmates had given the same (wrong) answer as them. Double deflated!
It's difficult to overlook the fact that Tony and Jorgy's decision put other people's hard-won treat at risk. And it's difficult to argue - based on what we have seen and heard - that they cared a jot about that risk.”
Finally, the facts, thank you! But let's not let the facts stand in the way of a good bit of self righteous justification eh?
Pah! The forfeit was too easy.
They should have banished the pair to SNake Rock for three days. That might have persuaded them.
They should have banished the pair to SNake Rock for three days. That might have persuaded them.
Originally Posted by Mykey38:
“Have I gone back in time, are Yvette and Duncan still in the jungle because I am sure both made reference to CC going too far bring Tony's children into it. Now in that argument she called his ex girlfriends tarts and lambasted his vocal talent and since we didn't hear her mention his kids it must have been cut, wonder why?”
“Have I gone back in time, are Yvette and Duncan still in the jungle because I am sure both made reference to CC going too far bring Tony's children into it. Now in that argument she called his ex girlfriends tarts and lambasted his vocal talent and since we didn't hear her mention his kids it must have been cut, wonder why?”
OR, just throwing this out there in an attempt at fairness....nothing untoward was said about Tony's sprogs, but Lady C's two most vociferous enemies were trying to muddy the waters.
Originally Posted by postit:
“OR, just throwing this out there in an attempt at fairness....nothing untoward was said about Tony's sprogs, but Lady C's two most vociferous enemies were trying to muddy the waters.”
“OR, just throwing this out there in an attempt at fairness....nothing untoward was said about Tony's sprogs, but Lady C's two most vociferous enemies were trying to muddy the waters.”
Another who believes that if it wasn't shown in the highlights it didn't happen.
Originally Posted by simy:
“People seem to be forgetting that Jorgie wasn't prepared to do it either, still, bloody Tony eh?”
“People seem to be forgetting that Jorgie wasn't prepared to do it either, still, bloody Tony eh?”
She a people pleaser and if had said yes she would have gone
Originally Posted by davejc64:
“Another who believes that if it wasn't shown in the highlights it didn't happen.”
“Another who believes that if it wasn't shown in the highlights it didn't happen.”
And you appear to be someone who believes anything you've been fed.
I'm of the old school where I would believe the father of the children in question Tony Hadley rather than 2 bitchy sidekicks. He didn't say anything about it.
Originally Posted by sorcha_healy27:
“And you appear to be someone who believes anything you've been fed.
I'm of the old school where I would believe the father of the children in question Tony Hadley rather than 2 bitchy sidekicks. He didn't say anything about it.”
“And you appear to be someone who believes anything you've been fed.
I'm of the old school where I would believe the father of the children in question Tony Hadley rather than 2 bitchy sidekicks. He didn't say anything about it.”
But he didn't confirm as much as he didn't deny anything was said about his children so what is there to believe about that, nothing, so my original comment still stands that some people if they don't see it shown in the highlights show it didn't happen.
Originally Posted by davejc64:
“But he didn't confirm as much as he didn't deny anything was said about his children so what is there to believe about that, nothing, so my original comment still stands that some people if they don't see it shown in the highlights show it didn't happen.”
“But he didn't confirm as much as he didn't deny anything was said about his children so what is there to believe about that, nothing, so my original comment still stands that some people if they don't see it shown in the highlights show it didn't happen.”
Plus let's face it...what she did say that was on the highlights was bad enough anyway.
Originally Posted by who me?:
“Plus let's face it...what she did say that was on the highlights was bad enough anyway.”
“Plus let's face it...what she did say that was on the highlights was bad enough anyway.”
Yes so based on the balance of probability of circumstances and what was seen it is highly likely she did say something is all I am saying.
It's all panto anyway. Lady C and Tony both understand this. Shame some of the more lubricated FMs don't.
Originally Posted by davejc64:
“But he didn't confirm as much as he didn't deny anything was said about his children so what is there to believe about that, nothing, so my original comment still stands that some people if they don't see it shown in the highlights show it didn't happen.”
“But he didn't confirm as much as he didn't deny anything was said about his children so what is there to believe about that, nothing, so my original comment still stands that some people if they don't see it shown in the highlights show it didn't happen.”
If we didn't see it we don't know that it actually happened. For all we know there could have been more said to lady C. She could have been ignored/snubbed far more than we saw. No good playing a guessing game.
These shows are so heavily edited you can't even trust what you do see. When we had live feed on BB it was shocking to see how they 'set up' their villain .
Originally Posted by vald:
“If we didn't see it we don't know that it actually happened. For all we know there could have been more said to lady C. She could have been ignored/snubbed far more than we saw. No good playing a guessing game.
These shows are so heavily edited you can't even trust what you do see. When we had live feed on BB it was shocking to see how they 'set up' their villain .”
“If we didn't see it we don't know that it actually happened. For all we know there could have been more said to lady C. She could have been ignored/snubbed far more than we saw. No good playing a guessing game.
These shows are so heavily edited you can't even trust what you do see. When we had live feed on BB it was shocking to see how they 'set up' their villain .”
I agree on both points.
Originally Posted by vald:
“If we didn't see it we don't know that it actually happened. For all we know there could have been more said to lady C. She could have been ignored/snubbed far more than we saw. No good playing a guessing game.
These shows are so heavily edited you can't even trust what you do see. When we had live feed on BB it was shocking to see how they 'set up' their villain .”
“If we didn't see it we don't know that it actually happened. For all we know there could have been more said to lady C. She could have been ignored/snubbed far more than we saw. No good playing a guessing game.
These shows are so heavily edited you can't even trust what you do see. When we had live feed on BB it was shocking to see how they 'set up' their villain .”
I completely agree with you. The BIB absolutely.
If you missed the live feed it would make you wonder why someone went off like a rocket for what seemed no apparent reason. Having watched the live feed you got the run up to the event and could understand why it all went pear shaped.
Originally Posted by Daisy450:
“As Duncan said yesterday, it was a big ask for what was going to be a reward of 1 small chocolate bar, he also said Jorgie had had a long day.nand was tired
I hardly think he was dissing the whole hospitality industry.”
“As Duncan said yesterday, it was a big ask for what was going to be a reward of 1 small chocolate bar, he also said Jorgie had had a long day.nand was tired
I hardly think he was dissing the whole hospitality industry.”
And he also said he would've done it.! Not that big of an ask then.
Originally Posted by Fairynuff:
“I didn't see it that way at all. For one bar of chocolate they had to be chambermaid and bellboy through the night, while watching the winners in relative luxury.
Well done Tony for taking a stand! I thought you were great.”
“I didn't see it that way at all. For one bar of chocolate they had to be chambermaid and bellboy through the night, while watching the winners in relative luxury.
Well done Tony for taking a stand! I thought you were great.”
You didn't see it that way!! Yet Tony said it WAS that way.
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“I completely agree with you. The BIB absolutely.
If you missed the live feed it would make you wonder why someone went off like a rocket for what seemed no apparent reason. Having watched the live feed you got the run up to the event and could understand why it all went pear shaped.
”
“I completely agree with you. The BIB absolutely.
If you missed the live feed it would make you wonder why someone went off like a rocket for what seemed no apparent reason. Having watched the live feed you got the run up to the event and could understand why it all went pear shaped.
”
They also used to cobble footage together. I remember one lad being upset about something to do with his granddad...they used the footage of that reaction to make him look upset and jealous of another housemate at a completely different time. It was blatant.
Originally Posted by vald:
“They also used to cobble footage together. I remember one lad being upset about something to do with his granddad...they used the footage of that reaction to make him look upset and jealous of another housemate at a completely different time. It was blatant.”
“They also used to cobble footage together. I remember one lad being upset about something to do with his granddad...they used the footage of that reaction to make him look upset and jealous of another housemate at a completely different time. It was blatant.”
Yes exactly.
There's been many instances where if you hadn't seen live feed you'd get the wrong impression of what actually occurred. Making an individual seem really nasty, when in fact the lead up to the event was very different from what they were showing on the highlights.
I suppose they think it makes good TV to make a villain. Whereas I would prefer to know what actually went on.
Originally Posted by davejc64:
“But he didn't confirm as much as he didn't deny anything was said about his children so what is there to believe about that, nothing, so my original comment still stands that some people if they don't see it shown in the highlights show it didn't happen.”
“But he didn't confirm as much as he didn't deny anything was said about his children so what is there to believe about that, nothing, so my original comment still stands that some people if they don't see it shown in the highlights show it didn't happen.”
but how do you know it DID happen when there is NO evidence, just hearsay which even a court of law isn't admissible
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