Vodafone VoLTE release imminent?

LegendaryAced · 05-12-2015, 00:58

I was browsing Vodafone's eshop and I added an iPhone 6S Plus to the basket just out of curiosity and saw that they include WiFi Calling and 4G Voice in the plan. 4G Voice could be Vodafone's name for VoLTE, but they are not advertising or offering the service yet. Is that a sign of an imminent release? Are we just expecting a carrier update with iOS 9.2?
http://imgur.com/o05uphR

DevonBloke · 05-12-2015, 01:09

Don't know about "could be". 4G voice would be VoLTE.
Interesting.
I wonder if the 15th / iOS 9.2 will bring 3 networks on line.......
Or will we be crushingly disappointed!

Aye Up · 05-12-2015, 01:34

January last I was told on the Wifi calling trial recently. I don't think its iminent in the literal sense, they have seen the problems Three have suffered with their "super voice" offering of VoLTE.

There networks aren't in any rush to roll it out as you could need good 4G coverage......Vodafone doesn't have that outside of urban centres.

Now EE if they were to do it, they would have a handful of issues just down to the shear investment and coverage across the country.

DevonBloke · 05-12-2015, 02:05

I think when EE do do it, it will actually work as intended. Or to put it another way, the way we expect it to work.
Three's effort is botched.
If EE do what I think they are going to do they will release 800 at a priority between 1800 and 2100. So in areas of strong 800 you will never see 2G or 3G ever again.
Also they will have both SRVCC and reverse SRVCC working for those in areas where there's no 800 yet so calls can both originate on either 3G or 4G and indeed handover both up and down between them.
I hope.......

uno · 05-12-2015, 11:20

I have dropped my brother in law who works in Vodafone NOC a text to see if he knows anything about it.

However I suspect as its at checkout stage it's just an account thing to prepare for the future as I had 4G voice and Wifi calling added onto my account about 4-5 weeks ago but can't use VOLTE.

I would have a guess that if most people with IPhone 6S and other new 4G handsets went into a Vodafone store and asked to look at account settings they would see 4G voice option

lightspeed2398 · 05-12-2015, 11:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevonBloke

Don't know about "could be". 4G voice would be VoLTE.
Interesting.
I wonder if the 15th / iOS 9.2 will bring 3 networks on line.......
Or will we be crushingly disappointed!

The 15th of December has become the focal point of everything mobile haha. Disappointment for iPhone users, EE, Vod and 3 now.

japaul · 05-12-2015, 12:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightspeed2398

The 15th of December has become the focal point of everything mobile haha. Disappointment for iPhone users, EE, Vod and 3 now.

So basically what you are saying is if you move to O2 you won't be disappointed.

LegendaryAced · 05-12-2015, 22:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno

I have dropped my brother in law who works in Vodafone NOC a text to see if he knows anything about it.

However I suspect as its at checkout stage it's just an account thing to prepare for the future as I had 4G voice and Wifi calling added onto my account about 4-5 weeks ago but can't use VOLTE.

I would have a guess that if most people with IPhone 6S and other new 4G handsets went into a Vodafone store and asked to look at account settings they would see 4G voice option

Will we have to specifically call and ask to enable the service or does it go with Wi-Fi Calling?

uno · 05-12-2015, 23:11

LegendaryAced- At present I understand that all staff can add Wifi calling onto accounts providing the handset supports it.

But to actually get it working and for VOLTE I had to give my Brother in law the imei number and SIM card number of my S6. I then got a sim update a couple of days later and there was a firmware upgrade available as well then Wifi calling started working and am told its ready to go on VOLTE soon.

I would imagine for most customers it will launch and on IOS will be a carrier update and Android a firmware update it seems that all new connections and upgrades are having the account sections added at the time of contract.

LegendaryAced · 05-12-2015, 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno

LegendaryAced- At present I understand that all staff can add Wifi calling onto accounts providing the handset supports it.

But to actually get it working and for VOLTE I had to give my Brother in law the imei number and SIM card number of my S6. I then got a sim update a couple of days later and there was a firmware upgrade available as well then Wifi calling started working and am told its ready to go on VOLTE soon.

I would imagine for most customers it will launch and on IOS will be a carrier update and Android a firmware update it seems that all new connections and upgrades are having the account sections added at the time of contract.

Thanks for the info

If you look for more testers let me know.

I had a nightmare with getting Wi-Fi Calling reactivated on my new SIM, after swapping SIM. They did not know how to activate it properly on the new SIM. Their backend was reporting it was activated although I believe that it was reflecting the activation for the old SIM (SIM provisioning?). Anyway, after numerous contacts they fixed it. I'll just hope it is not going to be the same with VoLTE.

Aye Up · 06-12-2015, 00:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno

LegendaryAced- At present I understand that all staff can add Wifi calling onto accounts providing the handset supports it.

But to actually get it working and for VOLTE I had to give my Brother in law the imei number and SIM card number of my S6. I then got a sim update a couple of days later and there was a firmware upgrade available as well then Wifi calling started working and am told its ready to go on VOLTE soon.

I would imagine for most customers it will launch and on IOS will be a carrier update and Android a firmware update it seems that all new connections and upgrades are having the account sections added at the time of contract.

From what I can gather if you are setup for WiFi calling like you and I am, then its all good to go for VoLTE. I believe they use the same settings only the method used is different I think its IMS?

If anyone has an S6/S6 Edge supplied from Vodafone directly then texting CALLING to 97888 should get Wifi calling added to your account, it hasn't formally launched yet but those not on the trial have been using it for a bit.

The one thing Vodafone needs to do is remove the thresholds for Wifi calling, it would free up network resources if they did.

Gigabit · 06-12-2015, 08:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno

LegendaryAced- At present I understand that all staff can add Wifi calling onto accounts providing the handset supports it.

That is correct. You can add it to any account but you're supposed to only add it to iPhone 6/6s customers' accounts.

uno · 06-12-2015, 23:04

Gigabit- This is why some customers with S6 variants have been complaining as call centre staff and store staff have been adding Wifi calling onto accounts but without knowing that it also needs a firmware update and details added to back end systems to get it working.

Gigabit · 06-12-2015, 23:09

I would only ever add it to a 6/6s owner's line.

japaul · 06-12-2015, 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aye Up

The one thing Vodafone needs to do is remove the thresholds for Wifi calling, it would free up network resources if they did.

But without volte that just means a dropped call if you move outside the wifi signal. A dropped call that would have been fine if it had started on the mobile network.

For me wifi calling (unless there is handover to a volte network that covers as much as the existing voice network) should be a backup for when I've got no mobile signal so it gives me something I wouldn't have had otherwise.

In fact that's how senior people at EE explained how it should work before it was introduced. They argued that as they had no control over the quality of the wifi network they couldn't guarantee a level of service unlike the mobile network over which they could ensure a certain standard of service because they controlled everything end to end. Wifi calling was to be a last resort without any guarantees when nothing else was available. However, for some reason it didn't end up like that and so, I don't bother with it on the iPhone.

DevonBloke · 07-12-2015, 00:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by japaul

But without volte that just means a dropped call if you move outside the wifi signal. A dropped call that would have been fine if it had started on the mobile network.

For me wifi calling (unless there is handover to a volte network that covers as much as the existing voice network) should be a backup for when I've got no mobile signal so it gives me something I wouldn't have had otherwise.

In fact that's how senior people at EE explained how it should work before it was introduced. They argued that as they had no control over the quality of the wifi network they couldn't guarantee a level of service unlike the mobile network over which they could ensure a certain standard of service because they controlled everything end to end. Wifi calling was to be a last resort without any guarantees when nothing else was available. However, for some reason it didn't end up like that and so, I don't bother with it on the iPhone.

So kind of if you live in a Devon bunker and have no signal indoors whatsoever?
My walls are 5-6 foot thick in places (on the mast facing side) made of basically earth and slate stone. (300 years-ish old) Ain't no radio signal getting through that, ever.
WC working lovely here (unless the kids are on Netflix and then the 1.7Mbps starts to get strained).
Still, now have 4G on the old Huawei b593 (in upstairs window (2 bars, just (-110bBm)) so can do WC over that with no latency issues.
iPhone and iPad now tuned into Huawei and everything just happens.
Awesome.
Best bit is, the fibre is going in in January/February so it's currently capped at 30ish meg.
Going to be 60-70ish in a mo with the same 25 or less ping!!!
Awesomeness.

joemcd · 07-12-2015, 10:28

Verizon in the US is launching Wifi calling on some Samsung devices this week but, interestingly enough, it won't be launching on iPhones until next year. I wonder has Apple finished with Carrier updates for the year as I would have thought Verizon would be able to force Apple to send an update in a more timely manner. Then again, they might just be wanting to test the waters first before unleashing it to the masses.

jchamier · 07-12-2015, 13:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by japaul

In fact that's how senior people at EE explained how it should work before it was introduced.

Its a shame iOS doesn't let you choose which WiFi SSID's have WifiCalling in use and which don't - or Apple could put a switch for WiFi calling higher up the settings stack.

I don't need WiFi calling except in one location, where the signal is 2G and 1 bar if lucky, which means the other end of the call is always asking to repeat what I say - and Wifi Calling works amazingly here. (Over 15mbps ADSL). However I don't keep WiFi calling on as in two locations I visit the wifi is quite slow and congested, and the 3G signal is very strong, so voice sounds better over 3G.

Not enough control - maybe that's the iPhone way

LegendaryAced · 07-12-2015, 13:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchamier

Its a shame iOS doesn't let you choose which WiFi SSID's have WifiCalling in use and which don't - or Apple could put a switch for WiFi calling higher up the settings stack.

I don't need WiFi calling except in one location, where the signal is 2G and 1 bar if lucky, which means the other end of the call is always asking to repeat what I say - and Wifi Calling works amazingly here. (Over 15mbps ADSL). However I don't keep WiFi calling on as in two locations I visit the wifi is quite slow and congested, and the 3G signal is very strong, so voice sounds better over 3G.

Not enough control - maybe that's the iPhone way

With their current implementation you've got two options.

1) You can 'forget' the Wi-Fi networks that you know are congested and have poor quality. You will have to manually connect and then forget these networks.
or
2) You enable and disable Wi-Fi Calling manually in the locations that you feel you need it the most.

Both of them are not very nice, but they are really the only options available at the moment. Unless Apple decides to implement what you suggested. Or a similar option to what Windows phones have which lets you set which known Wi-Fi networks it can connect automatically.

binary · 07-12-2015, 14:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevonBloke

I think when EE do do it, it will actually work as intended. Or to put it another way, the way we expect it to work.
Three's effort is botched.

Curious - VoLTE on Three doesn't work very well then?

enapace · 07-12-2015, 14:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by joemcd

Verizon in the US is launching Wifi calling on some Samsung devices this week but, interestingly enough, it won't be launching on iPhones until next year. I wonder has Apple finished with Carrier updates for the year as I would have thought Verizon would be able to force Apple to send an update in a more timely manner. Then again, they might just be wanting to test the waters first before unleashing it to the masses.

Nice to know that Verizon is doing Native WiFi Calling that means that all four of the big networks in the US will have it working soon. UK needs catch up if even Verizon thinks it's needed it clearly is worthwhile doing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by binary

Curious - VoLTE on Three doesn't work very well then?

I think he is actually saying Three's 800MHz LTE rollout is a bit abysmal at the moment. Lack of communication and planning on Three's part.

Not that should be a surprise to anyone who has followed Three's LTE rollout since it started in 2013.

jaffboy151 · 07-12-2015, 16:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevonBloke

So kind of if you live in a Devon bunker and have no signal indoors whatsoever?
My walls are 5-6 foot thick in places (on the mast facing side) made of basically earth and slate stone. (300 years-ish old) Ain't no radio signal getting through that, ever.
WC working lovely here (unless the kids are on Netflix and then the 1.7Mbps starts to get strained).
Still, now have 4G on the old Huawei b593 (in upstairs window (2 bars, just (-110bBm)) so can do WC over that with no latency issues.
iPhone and iPad now tuned into Huawei and everything just happens.
Awesome.
Best bit is, the fibre is going in in January/February so it's currently capped at 30ish meg.
Going to be 60-70ish in a mo with the same 25 or less ping!!!
Awesomeness.

Devon it's Interesting that you can use WiFi calling on your 1.7mbps adls. Slightly different I know but I couldn't get three's in touch to give me a reliable call on my adsl in the sticks broadband, it wasn't the download speed which was the issue as I get around 6-8mbps it was the 0.3mbps max upload which would let things down as if any device in the house (and there are many!) however briefly used the broadband the call would drop, turn to mush or at best give me the low quality warning alert.
No such issues with the EE mifi box I had then which had a 115db 4g signal from miles away, worked a treat.

plymouthbloke1974 · 07-12-2015, 21:49

I've made a wifi call on EE with 0.5 mbit..... It was alright...

DevonBloke · 07-12-2015, 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by plymouthbloke1974

I've made a wifi call on EE with 0.5 mbit..... It was alright...

Mine's currently 0.4 and it's fine as long as nothing is uploading (although it attempts to cope and does quite a good job).

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaffboy151

Devon it's Interesting that you can use WiFi calling on your 1.7mbps adls. Slightly different I know but I couldn't get three's in touch to give me a reliable call on my adsl in the sticks broadband, it wasn't the download speed which was the issue as I get around 6-8mbps it was the 0.3mbps max upload which would let things down as if any device in the house (and there are many!) however briefly used the broadband the call would drop, turn to mush or at best give me the low quality warning alert.
No such issues with the EE mifi box I had then which had a 115db 4g signal from miles away, worked a treat.

I think the apps are a bit rubbish really.
WiFi calling is native and uses very clever adaptive data rate and other tech to keep the call going for as long as possible.
I've had evidence it can resend lost data up to several hundred milliseconds later if the audio is only going in one direction causing quite a delay briefly but you don't lose what was said.
I dare say that on a connection not being used for anything else it would work down to perhaps 80 - 100Kbps upload.

jchamier · 07-12-2015, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevonBloke

WiFi calling is native and uses very clever adaptive data rate and other tech to keep the call going for as long as possible.

Where I've had WiFi calling on EE fail is in hotel shared WiFi, probably someone else in the hotel started a big upload when I was on the phone. Call became unintelligable and the other party hung up. (I turned off WiFi and called them back over full signal 3G !)

Quote:

I dare say that on a connection not being used for anything else it would work down to perhaps 80 - 100Kbps upload.

Need someone with an ISDN2e connection to test that hypothesis!

05-12-2015, 00:58	#1
LegendaryAced Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 125	Vodafone VoLTE release imminent? I was browsing Vodafone's eshop and I added an iPhone 6S Plus to the basket just out of curiosity and saw that they include WiFi Calling and 4G Voice in the plan. 4G Voice could be Vodafone's name for VoLTE, but they are not advertising or offering the service yet. Is that a sign of an imminent release? Are we just expecting a carrier update with iOS 9.2? http://imgur.com/o05uphR

05-12-2015, 01:09	#2
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	Don't know about "could be". 4G voice would be VoLTE. Interesting. I wonder if the 15th / iOS 9.2 will bring 3 networks on line....... Or will we be crushingly disappointed!

05-12-2015, 01:34	#3
Aye Up Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West Posts: 4,885	January last I was told on the Wifi calling trial recently. I don't think its iminent in the literal sense, they have seen the problems Three have suffered with their "super voice" offering of VoLTE. There networks aren't in any rush to roll it out as you could need good 4G coverage......Vodafone doesn't have that outside of urban centres. Now EE if they were to do it, they would have a handful of issues just down to the shear investment and coverage across the country.

05-12-2015, 02:05	#4
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	I think when EE do do it, it will actually work as intended. Or to put it another way, the way we expect it to work. Three's effort is botched. If EE do what I think they are going to do they will release 800 at a priority between 1800 and 2100. So in areas of strong 800 you will never see 2G or 3G ever again. Also they will have both SRVCC and reverse SRVCC working for those in areas where there's no 800 yet so calls can both originate on either 3G or 4G and indeed handover both up and down between them. I hope.......

05-12-2015, 11:20	#5
uno Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 507	I have dropped my brother in law who works in Vodafone NOC a text to see if he knows anything about it. However I suspect as its at checkout stage it's just an account thing to prepare for the future as I had 4G voice and Wifi calling added onto my account about 4-5 weeks ago but can't use VOLTE. I would have a guess that if most people with IPhone 6S and other new 4G handsets went into a Vodafone store and asked to look at account settings they would see 4G voice option

05-12-2015, 11:49	#6
lightspeed2398 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 1,325	Quote: Originally Posted by DevonBloke Don't know about "could be". 4G voice would be VoLTE. Interesting. I wonder if the 15th / iOS 9.2 will bring 3 networks on line....... Or will we be crushingly disappointed! The 15th of December has become the focal point of everything mobile haha. Disappointment for iPhone users, EE, Vod and 3 now.

05-12-2015, 12:31	#7
japaul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,662	Quote: Originally Posted by lightspeed2398 The 15th of December has become the focal point of everything mobile haha. Disappointment for iPhone users, EE, Vod and 3 now. So basically what you are saying is if you move to O2 you won't be disappointed.

05-12-2015, 22:59	#8
LegendaryAced Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 125	Quote: Originally Posted by uno I have dropped my brother in law who works in Vodafone NOC a text to see if he knows anything about it. However I suspect as its at checkout stage it's just an account thing to prepare for the future as I had 4G voice and Wifi calling added onto my account about 4-5 weeks ago but can't use VOLTE. I would have a guess that if most people with IPhone 6S and other new 4G handsets went into a Vodafone store and asked to look at account settings they would see 4G voice option Will we have to specifically call and ask to enable the service or does it go with Wi-Fi Calling?

05-12-2015, 23:11	#9
uno Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 507	LegendaryAced- At present I understand that all staff can add Wifi calling onto accounts providing the handset supports it. But to actually get it working and for VOLTE I had to give my Brother in law the imei number and SIM card number of my S6. I then got a sim update a couple of days later and there was a firmware upgrade available as well then Wifi calling started working and am told its ready to go on VOLTE soon. I would imagine for most customers it will launch and on IOS will be a carrier update and Android a firmware update it seems that all new connections and upgrades are having the account sections added at the time of contract.

05-12-2015, 23:55	#10
LegendaryAced Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 125	Quote: Originally Posted by uno LegendaryAced- At present I understand that all staff can add Wifi calling onto accounts providing the handset supports it. But to actually get it working and for VOLTE I had to give my Brother in law the imei number and SIM card number of my S6. I then got a sim update a couple of days later and there was a firmware upgrade available as well then Wifi calling started working and am told its ready to go on VOLTE soon. I would imagine for most customers it will launch and on IOS will be a carrier update and Android a firmware update it seems that all new connections and upgrades are having the account sections added at the time of contract. Thanks for the info If you look for more testers let me know. I had a nightmare with getting Wi-Fi Calling reactivated on my new SIM, after swapping SIM. They did not know how to activate it properly on the new SIM. Their backend was reporting it was activated although I believe that it was reflecting the activation for the old SIM (SIM provisioning?). Anyway, after numerous contacts they fixed it. I'll just hope it is not going to be the same with VoLTE.

06-12-2015, 00:34	#11
Aye Up Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: North West Posts: 4,885	Quote: Originally Posted by uno LegendaryAced- At present I understand that all staff can add Wifi calling onto accounts providing the handset supports it. But to actually get it working and for VOLTE I had to give my Brother in law the imei number and SIM card number of my S6. I then got a sim update a couple of days later and there was a firmware upgrade available as well then Wifi calling started working and am told its ready to go on VOLTE soon. I would imagine for most customers it will launch and on IOS will be a carrier update and Android a firmware update it seems that all new connections and upgrades are having the account sections added at the time of contract. From what I can gather if you are setup for WiFi calling like you and I am, then its all good to go for VoLTE. I believe they use the same settings only the method used is different I think its IMS? If anyone has an S6/S6 Edge supplied from Vodafone directly then texting CALLING to 97888 should get Wifi calling added to your account, it hasn't formally launched yet but those not on the trial have been using it for a bit. The one thing Vodafone needs to do is remove the thresholds for Wifi calling, it would free up network resources if they did.

06-12-2015, 08:44	#12
Gigabit Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,887	Quote: Originally Posted by uno LegendaryAced- At present I understand that all staff can add Wifi calling onto accounts providing the handset supports it. That is correct. You can add it to any account but you're supposed to only add it to iPhone 6/6s customers' accounts.

06-12-2015, 23:04	#13
uno Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 507	Gigabit- This is why some customers with S6 variants have been complaining as call centre staff and store staff have been adding Wifi calling onto accounts but without knowing that it also needs a firmware update and details added to back end systems to get it working.

06-12-2015, 23:09	#14
Gigabit Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,887	I would only ever add it to a 6/6s owner's line.

06-12-2015, 23:18	#15
japaul Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 1,662	Quote: Originally Posted by Aye Up The one thing Vodafone needs to do is remove the thresholds for Wifi calling, it would free up network resources if they did. But without volte that just means a dropped call if you move outside the wifi signal. A dropped call that would have been fine if it had started on the mobile network. For me wifi calling (unless there is handover to a volte network that covers as much as the existing voice network) should be a backup for when I've got no mobile signal so it gives me something I wouldn't have had otherwise. In fact that's how senior people at EE explained how it should work before it was introduced. They argued that as they had no control over the quality of the wifi network they couldn't guarantee a level of service unlike the mobile network over which they could ensure a certain standard of service because they controlled everything end to end. Wifi calling was to be a last resort without any guarantees when nothing else was available. However, for some reason it didn't end up like that and so, I don't bother with it on the iPhone.

07-12-2015, 00:13	#16
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	Quote: Originally Posted by japaul But without volte that just means a dropped call if you move outside the wifi signal. A dropped call that would have been fine if it had started on the mobile network. For me wifi calling (unless there is handover to a volte network that covers as much as the existing voice network) should be a backup for when I've got no mobile signal so it gives me something I wouldn't have had otherwise. In fact that's how senior people at EE explained how it should work before it was introduced. They argued that as they had no control over the quality of the wifi network they couldn't guarantee a level of service unlike the mobile network over which they could ensure a certain standard of service because they controlled everything end to end. Wifi calling was to be a last resort without any guarantees when nothing else was available. However, for some reason it didn't end up like that and so, I don't bother with it on the iPhone. So kind of if you live in a Devon bunker and have no signal indoors whatsoever? My walls are 5-6 foot thick in places (on the mast facing side) made of basically earth and slate stone. (300 years-ish old) Ain't no radio signal getting through that, ever. WC working lovely here (unless the kids are on Netflix and then the 1.7Mbps starts to get strained). Still, now have 4G on the old Huawei b593 (in upstairs window (2 bars, just (-110bBm)) so can do WC over that with no latency issues. iPhone and iPad now tuned into Huawei and everything just happens. Awesome. Best bit is, the fibre is going in in January/February so it's currently capped at 30ish meg. Going to be 60-70ish in a mo with the same 25 or less ping!!! Awesomeness.

07-12-2015, 10:28	#17
joemcd Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 102	Verizon in the US is launching Wifi calling on some Samsung devices this week but, interestingly enough, it won't be launching on iPhones until next year. I wonder has Apple finished with Carrier updates for the year as I would have thought Verizon would be able to force Apple to send an update in a more timely manner. Then again, they might just be wanting to test the waters first before unleashing it to the masses.

07-12-2015, 13:33	#18
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by japaul In fact that's how senior people at EE explained how it should work before it was introduced. Its a shame iOS doesn't let you choose which WiFi SSID's have WifiCalling in use and which don't - or Apple could put a switch for WiFi calling higher up the settings stack. I don't need WiFi calling except in one location, where the signal is 2G and 1 bar if lucky, which means the other end of the call is always asking to repeat what I say - and Wifi Calling works amazingly here. (Over 15mbps ADSL). However I don't keep WiFi calling on as in two locations I visit the wifi is quite slow and congested, and the 3G signal is very strong, so voice sounds better over 3G. Not enough control - maybe that's the iPhone way

07-12-2015, 13:40	#19
LegendaryAced Forum Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 125	Quote: Originally Posted by jchamier Its a shame iOS doesn't let you choose which WiFi SSID's have WifiCalling in use and which don't - or Apple could put a switch for WiFi calling higher up the settings stack. I don't need WiFi calling except in one location, where the signal is 2G and 1 bar if lucky, which means the other end of the call is always asking to repeat what I say - and Wifi Calling works amazingly here. (Over 15mbps ADSL). However I don't keep WiFi calling on as in two locations I visit the wifi is quite slow and congested, and the 3G signal is very strong, so voice sounds better over 3G. Not enough control - maybe that's the iPhone way With their current implementation you've got two options. 1) You can 'forget' the Wi-Fi networks that you know are congested and have poor quality. You will have to manually connect and then forget these networks. or 2) You enable and disable Wi-Fi Calling manually in the locations that you feel you need it the most. Both of them are not very nice, but they are really the only options available at the moment. Unless Apple decides to implement what you suggested. Or a similar option to what Windows phones have which lets you set which known Wi-Fi networks it can connect automatically.

07-12-2015, 14:28	#20
binary Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 636	Quote: Originally Posted by DevonBloke I think when EE do do it, it will actually work as intended. Or to put it another way, the way we expect it to work. Three's effort is botched. Curious - VoLTE on Three doesn't work very well then?

07-12-2015, 14:50	#21
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by joemcd Verizon in the US is launching Wifi calling on some Samsung devices this week but, interestingly enough, it won't be launching on iPhones until next year. I wonder has Apple finished with Carrier updates for the year as I would have thought Verizon would be able to force Apple to send an update in a more timely manner. Then again, they might just be wanting to test the waters first before unleashing it to the masses. Nice to know that Verizon is doing Native WiFi Calling that means that all four of the big networks in the US will have it working soon. UK needs catch up if even Verizon thinks it's needed it clearly is worthwhile doing. Quote: Originally Posted by binary Curious - VoLTE on Three doesn't work very well then? I think he is actually saying Three's 800MHz LTE rollout is a bit abysmal at the moment. Lack of communication and planning on Three's part. Not that should be a surprise to anyone who has followed Three's LTE rollout since it started in 2013.

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07-12-2015, 16:32	#22
jaffboy151 Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Woore, Cheshire/Shropshire Posts: 1,675	Quote: Originally Posted by DevonBloke So kind of if you live in a Devon bunker and have no signal indoors whatsoever? My walls are 5-6 foot thick in places (on the mast facing side) made of basically earth and slate stone. (300 years-ish old) Ain't no radio signal getting through that, ever. WC working lovely here (unless the kids are on Netflix and then the 1.7Mbps starts to get strained). Still, now have 4G on the old Huawei b593 (in upstairs window (2 bars, just (-110bBm)) so can do WC over that with no latency issues. iPhone and iPad now tuned into Huawei and everything just happens. Awesome. Best bit is, the fibre is going in in January/February so it's currently capped at 30ish meg. Going to be 60-70ish in a mo with the same 25 or less ping!!! Awesomeness. Devon it's Interesting that you can use WiFi calling on your 1.7mbps adls. Slightly different I know but I couldn't get three's in touch to give me a reliable call on my adsl in the sticks broadband, it wasn't the download speed which was the issue as I get around 6-8mbps it was the 0.3mbps max upload which would let things down as if any device in the house (and there are many!) however briefly used the broadband the call would drop, turn to mush or at best give me the low quality warning alert. No such issues with the EE mifi box I had then which had a 115db 4g signal from miles away, worked a treat.

07-12-2015, 21:49	#23
plymouthbloke1974 Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Destination: Hard Brexit Posts: 6,368	I've made a wifi call on EE with 0.5 mbit..... It was alright...

07-12-2015, 22:11	#24
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	Quote: Originally Posted by plymouthbloke1974 I've made a wifi call on EE with 0.5 mbit..... It was alright... Mine's currently 0.4 and it's fine as long as nothing is uploading (although it attempts to cope and does quite a good job). Quote: Originally Posted by jaffboy151 Devon it's Interesting that you can use WiFi calling on your 1.7mbps adls. Slightly different I know but I couldn't get three's in touch to give me a reliable call on my adsl in the sticks broadband, it wasn't the download speed which was the issue as I get around 6-8mbps it was the 0.3mbps max upload which would let things down as if any device in the house (and there are many!) however briefly used the broadband the call would drop, turn to mush or at best give me the low quality warning alert. No such issues with the EE mifi box I had then which had a 115db 4g signal from miles away, worked a treat. I think the apps are a bit rubbish really. WiFi calling is native and uses very clever adaptive data rate and other tech to keep the call going for as long as possible. I've had evidence it can resend lost data up to several hundred milliseconds later if the audio is only going in one direction causing quite a delay briefly but you don't lose what was said. I dare say that on a connection not being used for anything else it would work down to perhaps 80 - 100Kbps upload.

07-12-2015, 22:16	#25
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by DevonBloke WiFi calling is native and uses very clever adaptive data rate and other tech to keep the call going for as long as possible. Where I've had WiFi calling on EE fail is in hotel shared WiFi, probably someone else in the hotel started a big upload when I was on the phone. Call became unintelligable and the other party hung up. (I turned off WiFi and called them back over full signal 3G !) Quote: I dare say that on a connection not being used for anything else it would work down to perhaps 80 - 100Kbps upload. Need someone with an ISDN2e connection to test that hypothesis!