... cry if you like Darcy but that was not good at all. At one point I thought if an audience member breathed too heavily he would fall over.
Jay - flaccid, clumsy and over marked ...
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Originally Posted by GibsonSG:
“... cry if you like Darcy but that was not good at all. At one point I thought if an audience member breathed too heavily he would fall over.”
“... cry if you like Darcy but that was not good at all. At one point I thought if an audience member breathed too heavily he would fall over.”
I still noticed that he was very stiff.
I thought it was fabulous, to me he looked like a professional dancer doing the rhumba, for such a difficult dance he was brilliant.
Oh he was so fantastic. 
Fluid, lyrical. The story telling through movement of the body was gorgeous. A beautiful Rumba.
Bravo Aliona for the choreography. Lots in there to allow Jay to shine, and having seen the film, the dance pretty much told the whole story of the film in 90 seconds.
It truly was perfection,
Oh and I was as moved as Darcey. I also had tears in my eyes.
Fluid, lyrical. The story telling through movement of the body was gorgeous. A beautiful Rumba.
Bravo Aliona for the choreography. Lots in there to allow Jay to shine, and having seen the film, the dance pretty much told the whole story of the film in 90 seconds.
It truly was perfection,
Oh and I was as moved as Darcey. I also had tears in my eyes.
Originally Posted by Lambchop68:
“I thought it was fabulous, to me he looked like a professional dancer doing the rhumba, for such a difficult dance he was brilliant.”
“I thought it was fabulous, to me he looked like a professional dancer doing the rhumba, for such a difficult dance he was brilliant.”
Completely agree
Stiff or flaccid - which one is it then?
Maybe the contrasting Jay threads should be merged into one mega 'Let's post baseless criticisms of Jay' thread?
Maybe the contrasting Jay threads should be merged into one mega 'Let's post baseless criticisms of Jay' thread?
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“I still noticed that he was very stiff.”
“I still noticed that he was very stiff.”
So would I be if I had Aliona gyrating all over me.
Originally Posted by nicnacs:
“Stiff or flaccid - which one is it then?
Maybe the contrasting Jay threads should be merged into one mega 'Let's post baseless criticisms of Jay' thread?”
“Stiff or flaccid - which one is it then?
Maybe the contrasting Jay threads should be merged into one mega 'Let's post baseless criticisms of Jay' thread?”
I actually thought his poise in his rumba was lacking in strength. So neither flaccid or stiff but missing an element which resulted in it looking a bit apologetic. I also thought he didn't finish his steps very well, meaning the transitions were blurred, and so lacking rhythmic expression. His rumba was a good attempt at the dance and sometimes he had some nice arm movements, but he was still well overmarked in my view.
My criticisms are not baseless. I have been dancing latin and ballroom for a while now and am about to take my teaching exams.
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I actually thought his poise in his rumba was lacking in strength So neither flaccid or stiff but missing an element. I also thought he didn't finish his steps very well and so the transitions were blurred. His rumba was a good attempt but well overmarked in my view.
My criticisms are not baseless. I have been dancing latin and ballroom for a while now and am about to take my teaching exams.”
“I actually thought his poise in his rumba was lacking in strength So neither flaccid or stiff but missing an element. I also thought he didn't finish his steps very well and so the transitions were blurred. His rumba was a good attempt but well overmarked in my view.
My criticisms are not baseless. I have been dancing latin and ballroom for a while now and am about to take my teaching exams.”
He had 4 days to learn and nail this dance! I'm pretty certain Jay has never attempted a rumba before. For an amateur, It was a fantastic dance. And finally, a rumba I didn't have to watch from behind a cushion!
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“Bravo Aliona for the choreography. Lots in there to allow Jay to shine, and having seen the film, the dance pretty much told the whole story of the film in 90 seconds. ”
“Bravo Aliona for the choreography. Lots in there to allow Jay to shine, and having seen the film, the dance pretty much told the whole story of the film in 90 seconds. ”
I have to dispute that point. I didn't see a Hoover anywhere. If Georgia could have a teapot, Jay should have had a Hoover.
(Because life size household objects made animate are truly the difference between a merely good and a great dance, obviously.)
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“I actually thought his poise in his rumba was lacking in strength So neither flaccid or stiff but missing an element which resulted in it looking a bit apologetic I also thought he didn't finish his steps very well and so the transitions were blurred. His rumba was a good attempt but well overmarked in my view.
My criticisms are not baseless. I have been dancing latin and ballroom for a while now and am about to take my teaching exams.”
“I actually thought his poise in his rumba was lacking in strength So neither flaccid or stiff but missing an element which resulted in it looking a bit apologetic I also thought he didn't finish his steps very well and so the transitions were blurred. His rumba was a good attempt but well overmarked in my view.
My criticisms are not baseless. I have been dancing latin and ballroom for a while now and am about to take my teaching exams.”
This is the first time I've seen someone in either of the topics I was referencing add a bit of depth to their opinion so no, your opinion is not at all baseless.
And I'm not saying Jay isn't stiff or flaccid *insert juvenile sniggering here*, I just want to hear why people have these opinions otherwise it comes across as sour grapes.
Originally Posted by Hmmbop:
“He had 4 days to learn and nail this dance! I'm pretty certain Jay has never attempted a rumba before. For an amateur, It was a fantastic dance. And finally, a rumba I didn't have to watch from behind a cushion!”
“He had 4 days to learn and nail this dance! I'm pretty certain Jay has never attempted a rumba before. For an amateur, It was a fantastic dance. And finally, a rumba I didn't have to watch from behind a cushion!
”
Yes, I fully accept that. So not undervaluing what he produced, which was good. Just that in relative terms I don't think I would have put him top.
Originally Posted by DeltaBlues:
“I have to dispute that point. I didn't see a Hoover anywhere. If Georgia could have a teapot, Jay should have had a Hoover.
(Because life size household objects made animate are truly the difference between a merely good and a great dance, obviously.)”
“I have to dispute that point. I didn't see a Hoover anywhere. If Georgia could have a teapot, Jay should have had a Hoover.
(Because life size household objects made animate are truly the difference between a merely good and a great dance, obviously.)”
I think you are Dyson with death, pointing out on here one of the more obvious reasons why that dance wasn't the interpretive masterpiece the judges and others made it out to be.
I wouldn't have given him a 10 because although he put over the emotion beautifully, it wasn't as sinuous as it might have been.
Originally Posted by nicnacs:
“This is the first time I've seen someone in either of the topics I was referencing add a bit of depth to their opinion so no, your opinion is not at all baseless.
And I'm not saying Jay isn't stiff or flaccid *insert juvenile sniggering here*, I just want to hear why people have these opinions otherwise it comes across as sour grapes.”
“This is the first time I've seen someone in either of the topics I was referencing add a bit of depth to their opinion so no, your opinion is not at all baseless.
And I'm not saying Jay isn't stiff or flaccid *insert juvenile sniggering here*, I just want to hear why people have these opinions otherwise it comes across as sour grapes.”
No problem. I know that comments are often sweeping. I do rate Jay as a dancer, but I think some critical feedback from the judges is actually useful and wouldn't stop him from getting to the final.
There I was believing my own eyes, the judges, Matthew Bourne, Robin Windsor.........and so on, what a beautiful dance it was. Thank you DS posters for putting me right
Originally Posted by MrEdgarFinchley:
“I think you are Dyson with death, pointing out on here one of the more obvious reasons why that dance wasn't the interpretive masterpiece the judges and others made it out to be.”
“I think you are Dyson with death, pointing out on here one of the more obvious reasons why that dance wasn't the interpretive masterpiece the judges and others made it out to be.”
I can't help it, I operate in a moral vacuum.
Originally Posted by Ann_Dancer:
“No problem. I know that comments are often sweeping. I do rate Jay as a dancer, but I think some critical feedback from the judges is actually useful and wouldn't stop him from getting to the final.”
“No problem. I know that comments are often sweeping. I do rate Jay as a dancer, but I think some critical feedback from the judges is actually useful and wouldn't stop him from getting to the final.”
For sure. I don't have a latin/ballroom background so I enjoy reading people's technical observations beyond someone being 'stiff' or 'flaccid' (cause I'm pretty sure you can't be both...)
Thanks again for your commentary
Originally Posted by Venetian:
“Strange how one dance can inspire such polarised views. I loved it but thought it was overmarked.”
“Strange how one dance can inspire such polarised views. I loved it but thought it was overmarked.”
Well it makes a change from all the previous weeks when he was seriously under-marked!
I'm biased as a loathe the rhumba so my expectations are so low when the dance starts it's never ever going to wow me. That said it wasn't as awful as it could have been.
For one thing his less than expressive face is a good thing in most dances (I don't want to see too much emoting ... Helen I'm looking at you!) but especially the rhumba. That was a plus.
But I admit it wasn't my favourite dance of the night. I didn't like their costumes as those tight trousers that seem to be fashionable with certain men are just ugly and pink and orange are two colours that clash so that distracted me.
That said I haven't seen the particular musical the song was from so maybe that helps. He should still be in the show though. He's a lovely dancer and needs to be in the final. Just please don't dance that dance again.
For one thing his less than expressive face is a good thing in most dances (I don't want to see too much emoting ... Helen I'm looking at you!) but especially the rhumba. That was a plus.
But I admit it wasn't my favourite dance of the night. I didn't like their costumes as those tight trousers that seem to be fashionable with certain men are just ugly and pink and orange are two colours that clash so that distracted me.
That said I haven't seen the particular musical the song was from so maybe that helps. He should still be in the show though. He's a lovely dancer and needs to be in the final. Just please don't dance that dance again.
I thought Jay was fantastic, the rumba is a very difficult dance and divides people on what type they want, a contemporary and passionate one or a romantic and sweet one. I liked Jay's rumba and I THOUGHT IT DID deserve the marks it got, we all have to remember, that these people are not proffessionals and we have to give them some credit.
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