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Part of me hopes Louisa doesn't win!
Oh Brother...
06-12-2015
I think she is one of the best singers the show has had. Along with Leona, I personally think they were the best vocalists to have stepped on that stage. OK, people can say they lack a certain something with their personality. But here's my theory and you don't have to agree with me, it's just my humble opinion.

The X Factor is just not credible with producing good winners at all. It's track record with the winners is ridiculously bad! And when they did get good winners, I don't feel what they put out there was exactly good enough or at the level it needed to be for those people. They also make really bad decisions on single and album releases and their timings for these with the winners. Some get more lucky than others, but ultimately, most will suffer and get a similar path with their career.

So I feel if she doesn't win and perhaps RnB do, which I think could very well happen with the momentum they have and depending on how the final is carried out. Then it will not be so bad. At 17, she has a lot of potential and not having that tag of The X Factor Winner, might be a good thing for her. If she looses out to the sort of "joke"/"fun" act of the series, then she might stand a better chance of making it out of the programme, using it as a platform to launch her career, but without relying on coming back on the programme itself to release future music, which I think is why a lot of the winners before have failed, they simply cannot make it without having to come back on X factor or being advertised on the X factor. The ones that can gain more independance from the programme, tend to do better.
Mateja
06-12-2015
SYCO will sign her and release her album in any case. She is the chosen one this year and there will be no difference to her treatment whether she wins or not. So I think it's better for her to win.

I think RnB could have some successful singles, but wouldn't be credible XF winners.
Getridofcole
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by Mateja:
“SYCO will sign her and release her album in any case. She is the chosen one this year and there will be no difference to her treatment whether she wins or not. So I think it's better for her to win.

I think RnB could have some successful singles, but wouldn't be credible XF winners.”

Spot on . This nonsense some say about not winning it or coming second is better is a complete myth. It's not where they finish its the act itself and regardless of where they finish cowell knows the act he likes the best and sell the most post show . Since they are probably the most successful act to come out of the X factor I'll use 1d as an example , now whether they finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd , or 1st they still would have had the same amount of promotion and money spent on them and they would have exactly the same success as they had anyway bar the winners single obviously. It's not the position they land in its the act they are . So she might as well win it anyway as she deserves it in my opinion
Thiswillbefun
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by Getridofcole:
“Spot on . This nonsense some say about not winning it or coming second is better is a complete myth. It's not where they finish its the act itself and regardless of where they finish cowell knows the act he likes the best and sell the most post show . Since they are probably the most successful act to come out of the X factor I'll use 1d as an example , now whether they finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd , or 1st they still would have had the same amount of promotion and money spent on them and they would have exactly the same success as they had anyway bar the winners single obviously. It's not the position they land in its the act they are.”

Thank you!

I've been saying this for years, yet people just don't seem to get it.
ucra girl
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by Mateja:
“SYCO will sign her and release her album in any case. She is the chosen one this year and there will be no difference to her treatment whether she wins or not. So I think it's better for her to win.

I think RnB could have some successful singles, but wouldn't be credible XF winners.”





I am a big fan and dont want them to win.They will have more success if they dont win.They need to sell in Africa and I doubt if SYCO can do that market.
ucra girl
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by Getridofcole:
“Spot on . This nonsense some say about not winning it or coming second is better is a complete myth. It's not where they finish its the act itself and regardless of where they finish cowell knows the act he likes the best and sell the most post show . Since they are probably the most successful act to come out of the X factor I'll use 1d as an example , now whether they finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd , or 1st they still would have had the same amount of promotion and money spent on them and they would have exactly the same success as they had anyway bar the winners single obviously. It's not the position they land in its the act they are . So she might as well win it anyway as she deserves it in my opinion”

True!
Hitstastic
06-12-2015
The last few winners may have been popular with the voters, but the sales of their music speak for itself.

However, in the case of Louisa I really do think we could finally have another X Factor who goes on to join the likes of Little Mix and Leona as a bonafide successful artist in the music industry with proper longevity. Baring in mind she's 17, with a voice like that, she would definitely buck the trend of disappointing winners.

That said, Che could still end up winning this. An R'N'B win would be about as pathetic as a Leon Jackson victory back in 2007.

X Factor has a contestant who could win, and go on to have a fantastic career. Otherwise, it's just another non-winner having all the success which is what has happened loads anyways over the last 8 years (and series 1), and it taints the whole point of winning the show imo.
Mateja
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by ucra girl:
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I am a big fan and dont want them to win.They will have more success if they dont win.They need to sell in Africa and I doubt if SYCO can do that market.”

I actually think SYCO plans to sign them, so they wouldn't escape them either.
Kromm
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by Mateja:
“SYCO will sign her and release her album in any case. She is the chosen one this year and there will be no difference to her treatment whether she wins or not. So I think it's better for her to win.

I think RnB could have some successful singles, but wouldn't be credible XF winners.”

Yeah she's stuck in SYCO's pocket either way, so she might as well get the title.

Then again Fleur somehow lost, despite being far better in HER year. So I could see some nonsense where someone else here wins (and XF is actually okay with/encouraging it) because then the show gets two shots at a star rather than one--the girl who even NOT winning will be commercially viable and the winner they can flog in hopes they get lucky and people buy into. So it's possible the show could try and torpedo Louisa last minute.
Mateja
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by Kromm:
“Yeah she's stuck in SYCO's pocket either way, so she might as well get the title.

Then again Fleur somehow lost, despite being far better in HER year. So I could see some nonsense where someone else here wins (and XF is actually okay with/encouraging it) because then the show gets two shots at a star rather than one--the girl who even NOT winning will be commercially viable and the winner they can flog in hopes they get lucky and people buy into. So it's possible the show could try and torpedo Louisa last minute.”

Fleur never stood a chance against Ben. Innofensive, MOR pop/rock dudes usually win singing talent shows. There is a reason why they cut Ben Clark at judges' houses this year.
Thiswillbefun
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by Kromm:
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Then again Fleur somehow lost, despite being far better in HER year. So I could see some nonsense where someone else here wins (and XF is actually okay with/encouraging it) because then the show gets two shots at a star rather than one--the girl who even NOT winning will be commercially viable and the winner they can flog in hopes they get lucky and people buy into. So it's possible the show could try and torpedo Louisa last minute.”

Of course they won't torpedo Louisa. They've spent a long time prepping her for the win. Going back to way before the auditions.

Fleur may have had better backing singers, better song choices, a better backing track, better staging, better lighting, better camera angles, and she may even be a better dancer than Ben. A better singer she is not.

If Syco had wanted to flog Ben for massive sales, they could have promoted him properly instead of spending all their budget to hype up Fleur. Her sales figures relative to the promotion has been derisory and they know they have to continue spending money on her to stop the sales dropping off.
Oh Brother...
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by Getridofcole:
“Spot on . This nonsense some say about not winning it or coming second is better is a complete myth. It's not where they finish its the act itself and regardless of where they finish cowell knows the act he likes the best and sell the most post show . Since they are probably the most successful act to come out of the X factor I'll use 1d as an example , now whether they finished 4th, 3rd, 2nd , or 1st they still would have had the same amount of promotion and money spent on them and they would have exactly the same success as they had anyway bar the winners single obviously. It's not the position they land in its the act they are . So she might as well win it anyway as she deserves it in my opinion”

I think you miss understood my point slightly. I am in agreement that it is the act themselves that matter. BUT I think the act can have a better chance at a career and perhaps a longer career by not relying on The X Factor, once their series is finished.

If say like Leona, Little Mix and One Direction, the act manages to get attention outside of the show's circle, then they have ALWAYS had more success, rather than having to wait for the show to be back on TV to release new music.

This is why I said that being the winner, could be more of a hindrance to achieving this "independance" from the show for Louisa, as usually the winners are made to wait for the show to come around to go and release new music, which I personally disagree with, because of the above point, that if they are gonna make it in the long run, they need to not be reliant on the show to get sales- this is also why I said "part of me" hopes she does not win.
IsItThatDeep
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by ucra girl:
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I am a big fan and dont want them to win.They will have more success if they dont win.They need to sell in Africa and I doubt if SYCO can do that market.”

Why Africa, that sounds a bit racist to be honest.

I'm sure you probably didn't mean it like that, but that's how it reads. I'm sure people in Africa buy music based on quality like everywhere else and R&B would be as average to them as they are to us.
Getridofcole
06-12-2015
Originally Posted by Oh Brother...:
“I think you miss understood my point slightly. I am in agreement that it is the act themselves that matter. BUT I think the act can have a better chance at a career and perhaps a longer career by not relying on The X Factor, once their series is finished.

If say like Leona, Little Mix and One Direction, the act manages to get attention outside of the show's circle, then they have ALWAYS had more success, rather than having to wait for the show to be back on TV to release new music.

This is why I said that being the winner, could be more of a hindrance to achieving this "independance" from the show for Louisa, as usually the winners are made to wait for the show to come around to go and release new music, which I personally disagree with, because of the above point, that if they are gonna make it in the long run, they need to not be reliant on the show to get sales- this is also why I said "part of me" hopes she does not win.”

I disagree because I honestly believe those three acts you named would've had the exact same success regardless where they finished barring say going out in the first few rounds . They would've had the same money , promotion and hype given to them as they were the ones cowell wanted anyway . What I'm trying to point out is regardless who wins whether they rate her not, whether they agree with it or not Louisa will be the one given the biggest promotion , money spent on her and given the better songs written for her post show . She is the winner in cowells eyes regardless of who wins the show . I do agree with you they should release songs long before they do , for me when they appear on the following years show they should be promoting their first single from their second album
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