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Old 08-12-2015, 22:27
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I think she's quite amusing. She's bossy and stubborn but I've usually understood where she's coming from. Richard needed someone to have banter with to keep his ego in check, Selina is a nightmare so I was totally Team Charleine for that...
The time I thought she came over really poorly was when she was attempting to bulldoze poor David in the boardroom, it made me think maybe she is a naturally aggressive person. But maybe she was just going overboard in trying to save her own skin, like many previous candidates have. Plus she was probably feeling a bit humiliated after getting up to go and having to be told to sit down again.

She seems quite chipper on twitter.
There was a time when I thought her and Selina were going to massacre eachother in the boardroom and get double-fired. But the contrast in their attitudes outside of the show made me think otherwise. I sort of knew that Charleine would at least do better than Selina in the process and I'm glad she did.
Whether she can win or not is another question but I wouldn't count her out. She's probably the most passionate candidate left. Passionate for business that is, I don't know anything about her personal life.
It did feel like it was building up to that.
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Old 08-12-2015, 22:30
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[quote=Alex_McNamee;80640984]That's weird, because most candidates are modest, quiet and friendly...[/QUOTE]

I no matter how many times I read this - it still says the same thing !

But must be me so I will got to bed. People say that things always look better in the morning.
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Old 09-12-2015, 10:48
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I don't like Charleine and don't see her as the series winner but I don't hate her and I think she's certainly deserving of at least reaching interviews.

She's competent, mostly level-headed and works hard but her leadership/management skills are nowhere near as good as she thinks they are. She takes things too personally and her smugness about the way she 'handled' Richard was appalling. She thought it was good management - it really wasn't. Any manager who treated a team member like that would lose the trust of their team immediately.
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Old 09-12-2015, 23:53
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I have found her unlikeable throughout the series. She seems unintelligent and perhaps is too shrill because of a sense of inferiority, And tonight's tears - unprofessional and pathetic.
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Old 10-12-2015, 00:53
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Sugar likes her even though he has not come across many like her.
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Old 10-12-2015, 06:27
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Lord Sugar was lenient on her this week and surprisingly she wasn't that feisty this week.
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:01
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I have found her unlikeable throughout the series. She seems unintelligent and perhaps is too shrill because of a sense of inferiority, And tonight's tears - unprofessional and pathetic.
was gonna say something very similar , find her guilty of trying to use "big words" to impress people that she actually doesn't know the meaning of, in fact at times she doesn't seem to know the meaning of some not so big words too

in the first pitch she did for the health bars she described people now as being very "health-cautious" for example, and the way she was standing reading her lines from her notepad rather than having prepped what she was saying and looking at the panel she was pitching to is very amateur-ish imo
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:02
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She should have got the boot last night. In a task where no one came out with any credit, she was the worst of the lot.
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Old 10-12-2015, 08:28
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Charleine split the team wrongly and should have had two in the kitchen. She garbled the names of ingredients (and the English language in general) and in any case was far too late telling her colleagues what was in the bars. Chucking stuff in without weights or measures was just damn stupid.

It is a shame because she is motivated and personable but Charleine is out of her depth.
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Old 10-12-2015, 10:38
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She was using her emotions to win favour last night I thought, can you imagine if a bloke broke down in tears, would he get the chance to leave the room to collect himself? It feels all so contrived with her, Welsh Army girl comes good - She was awful in the task and should have been fired, so Sugar turns it around and makes it about the whole series to keep her in
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Old 10-12-2015, 11:42
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It's the apprentice not the x factor. You can't just cry in boardrooms and 'take 5' in the foyer. Not unless Olly Murs is there to give you a hug. And she's as thick as 2 short planks. Health Cautious! Can't cope under pressure and is too self assured. As above I think she's overcompensating as she knows she's well out of her depth amongst the others.
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Old 10-12-2015, 12:12
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It's the apprentice not the x factor. You can't just cry in boardrooms and 'take 5' in the foyer. Not unless Olly Murs is there to give you a hug. And she's as thick as 2 short planks. Health Cautious! Can't cope under pressure and is too self assured. As above I think she's overcompensating as she knows she's well out of her depth amongst the others.
Yeah but Brady - the feminist who worked for the Daily Sport - will always be there to back her up and say she's a fighter etc etc.
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Old 10-12-2015, 18:13
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Yeah but Brady - the feminist who worked for the Daily Sport - will always be there to back her up and say she's a fighter etc etc.
To be fair, I think that's the only positive thing Brady's said this series to be honest.
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Old 10-12-2015, 18:26
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To be fair, I think that's the only positive thing Brady's said this series to be honest.
If she was accurate she'd have said 'she was awful throughout'
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Old 10-12-2015, 20:01
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In response to the thread title, it's just Internet forums in general. There's always irrational hatred of people based on, well, not very much.

It really disturbs me how savage people can be. Spitting venom at people they don't know based on an extremely tight edit in which hundreds of hours worth of footage have been condensed into just one hour.

That aside, I like Charleine. She's not of the calibre of many past candidates though. From what we have been shown, it comes across to me that she's desperate to succeed and that gets the better of her sometimes. The tears in the boardroom weren't, in my opinion, attention seeking in any way. She just put a lot of pressure on herself was frustrated when she didn't deliver and couldn't hold it together when she heard a list of her failings spoken aloud.
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Old 10-12-2015, 20:07
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Headlining the DM right now - she lost her baby son to SIDS

This might explain the underlying anger issues people are talking about.
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Old 11-12-2015, 09:05
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Charleine's incredibly duplicitous and treacherous. She's definitely someone who's nice to your face and a complete bitch behind your back. Look at what she did to David. She completely distorted what David had said about Joseph and made sure he was thrown under a bus in the boardroom. Not someone I'd ever want to work with.

Sugar et al must have seen things very differently to how the show has been edited because when he said Charleine's a force of nature with regards to selling, let's analyse that for just one moment.

- She's an attractive woman who fluttered her eyelashes at the Book shop guy and sold 125 books. F**k me, that's amazing! Only a very rarefied seller could sell £400 worth of books to a bookshop. Wow!!!!!!
- She sold real estate in London to foreign money that practically sells itself at this end of the market.

Otherwise, her record has been extremely indifferent. Sugar must like her business idea!

Let's not beat around the bush here, there's nothing especially complex with regards to sales. You either have it or you don't. However, a person has enormous natural advantages in face-to-face sales if they're an attractive guy/girl who looks the part and is superficially personable. She's all 3 so it's no surprise she has the ability to sell at least something.

Charleine's management of the most recent task was woeful and was the main reason why her team failed. She had no idea what ingredients she'd put in, her direction to her team was absolutely appalling and that's why they ended up with a confused, ridiculous product that they couldn't pitch which had felt tip pen all over it. It was amateurish in the extreme.

She cried in the boardroom to get sympathy - it was completely unprofessional and Sugar would have laughed his tits off if a man had done the same. He should have seen through this but I think he must obviously like her business plan.

Charleine only brought back Mr. Asda because he's the weakest of the lot and she knew that Joseph would have thrown her under a bus in the boardroom. Her relieved smile at the end said it all - even she knew that she should have been sacked.

I don't know what the f**k Sugar was talking about with regards to Richard's contribution on the other team. The look and feel of the other team's product was a million times more professional. If Vana hadn't been such a moron with the oil, Brett's team would have easily won.

Whether you like Richard or not, he's been by the far the most consistent candidate throughout the process. Been on the winning team 8 times, won twice as project manager, easily generated the most money throughout the process...he's simply more competent than anyone else.

The fact that Charleine's got to the interview stage just shows how poor the quality has been this series. This has been easily the worst series I've ever seen with regards to quality of the candidates
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Old 11-12-2015, 09:28
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Charleine's incredibly duplicitous and treacherous. She's definitely someone who's nice to your face and a complete bitch behind your back. Look at what she did to David. She completely distorted what David had said about Joseph and made sure he was thrown under a bus in the boardroom. Not someone I'd ever want to work with.

Sugar et al must have seen things very differently to how the show has been edited because when he said Charleine's a force of nature with regards to selling, let's analyse that for just one moment.

- She's an attractive woman who fluttered her eyelashes at the Book shop guy and sold 125 books. F**k me, that's amazing! Only a very rarefied seller could sell £400 worth of books to a bookshop. Wow!!!!!!
- She sold real estate in London to foreign money that practically sells itself at this end of the market.

Otherwise, her record has been extremely indifferent. Sugar must like her business idea!

Let's not beat around the bush here, there's nothing especially complex with regards to sales. You either have it or you don't. However, a person has enormous natural advantages in face-to-face sales if they're an attractive guy/girl who looks the part and is superficially personable. She's all 3 so it's no surprise she has the ability to sell at least something.

Charleine's management of the most recent task was woeful and was the main reason why her team failed. She had no idea what ingredients she'd put in, her direction to her team was absolutely appalling and that's why they ended up with a confused, ridiculous product that they couldn't pitch which had felt tip pen all over it. It was amateurish in the extreme.

She cried in the boardroom to get sympathy - it was completely unprofessional and Sugar would have laughed his tits off if a man had done the same. He should have seen through this but I think he must obviously like her business plan.

Charleine only brought back Mr. Asda because he's the weakest of the lot and she knew that Joseph would have thrown her under a bus in the boardroom. Her relieved smile at the end said it all - even she knew that she should have been sacked.

I don't know what the f**k Sugar was talking about with regards to Richard's contribution on the other team. The look and feel of the other team's product was a million times more professional. If Vana hadn't been such a moron with the oil, Brett's team would have easily won.

Whether you like Richard or not, he's been by the far the most consistent candidate throughout the process. Been on the winning team 8 times, won twice as project manager, easily generated the most money throughout the process...he's simply more competent than anyone else.

The fact that Charleine's got to the interview stage just shows how poor the quality has been this series. This has been easily the worst series I've ever seen with regards to quality of the candidates
I totally agree. I find her unprofessional in every way, from the way she screams and shouts at others, to bursting into tears in the boardroom, to bearing grudges, s**t-stirring and throwing strops when she doesn't get her way, she behaves like a sulky teenager, not a grown woman in a work environment.

And her performance in this last task was woeful - confused, inarticulate, chaotic. I think she should have been fired for sure.
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Old 11-12-2015, 10:21
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- She's an attractive woman who fluttered her eyelashes at the Book shop guy and sold 125 books. F**k me, that's amazing! Only a very rarefied seller could sell £400 worth of books to a bookshop. Wow!!!!!!
- She sold real estate in London to foreign money that practically sells itself at this end of the market.
In fairness to Charleine, the only person who appeared to be selling to "foreign money" on that task was Vana. Charleine's role was selling £250,000 to £350,000 flats mostly, it appeared to me, to fairly ordinary buyers for that level of the London market. She also didn't sell those books to a bookshop - she sold them to the Rainforest Cafe (presumably based on the animal link).

She's clearly a good salesperson. Probably the best in the competition after Richard. I don't think she's got much else to recommend her, but sales skills alone have been enough to get people this far many times before, right back to Series 1.
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Old 11-12-2015, 11:41
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In fairness to Charleine, the only person who appeared to be selling to "foreign money" on that task was Vana. Charleine's role was selling £250,000 to £350,000 flats mostly, it appeared to me, to fairly ordinary buyers for that level of the London market. She also didn't sell those books to a bookshop - she sold them to the Rainforest Cafe (presumably based on the animal link).

She's clearly a good salesperson. Probably the best in the competition after Richard. I don't think she's got much else to recommend her, but sales skills alone have been enough to get people this far many times before, right back to Series 1.
Monkseal - We'll have to agree to disagree. I think she's an OK sales person because she has some natural advantages. Physically attractive, well presented, superficially personable...having those 3 qualities are crucial to face-to-face sales.

OK, I stand corrected about the Rainforest Cafe (I'd forgot) but you could tell by the guy's body language and facial expressions that he obviously fancied her. It's also filmed as well which obviously influences the situation. I think she was lucky because her management of that task had largely been poor!

Real estate sales aren't that hard because people are already interested in the product. Try cold calling people or meeting someone face-to-face on leads that you've had to generate yourself...an entirely different ball game.

I do remember some of her 'clients' being foreign...maybe it's mind playing tricks on me again?
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Old 12-12-2015, 13:11
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I totally agree. I find her unprofessional in every way, from the way she screams and shouts at others, to bursting into tears in the boardroom, to bearing grudges, s**t-stirring and throwing strops when she doesn't get her way, she behaves like a sulky teenager, not a grown woman in a work environment.

And her performance in this last task was woeful - confused, inarticulate, chaotic. I think she should have been fired for sure.
Completely agree.

She is also being very unprofessional on Twitter - making digs at Selina and going through liking every tweet against her.
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Old 12-12-2015, 13:14
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Completely agree.

She is also being very unprofessional on Twitter - making digs at Selina and going through liking every tweet against her.
Totally agreed. We can all talk smack about Selina until the cows come home (it's certainly very easy) but Charleine is just as bad and immature as her. Both of them deserve Big Brother, not The Apprentice. If Charleine goes onto win that'll solidify this series as the absolute worst imo.
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Old 12-12-2015, 13:49
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Charleine's incredibly duplicitous and treacherous. She's definitely someone who's nice to your face and a complete bitch behind your back. Look at what she did to David. She completely distorted what David had said about Joseph and made sure he was thrown under a bus in the boardroom. Not someone I'd ever want to work with.

Sugar et al must have seen things very differently to how the show has been edited because when he said Charleine's a force of nature with regards to selling, let's analyse that for just one moment.

- She's an attractive woman who fluttered her eyelashes at the Book shop guy and sold 125 books. F**k me, that's amazing! Only a very rarefied seller could sell £400 worth of books to a bookshop. Wow!!!!!!
- She sold real estate in London to foreign money that practically sells itself at this end of the market.

Otherwise, her record has been extremely indifferent. Sugar must like her business idea!

Let's not beat around the bush here, there's nothing especially complex with regards to sales. You either have it or you don't. However, a person has enormous natural advantages in face-to-face sales if they're an attractive guy/girl who looks the part and is superficially personable. She's all 3 so it's no surprise she has the ability to sell at least something.

Charleine's management of the most recent task was woeful and was the main reason why her team failed. She had no idea what ingredients she'd put in, her direction to her team was absolutely appalling and that's why they ended up with a confused, ridiculous product that they couldn't pitch which had felt tip pen all over it. It was amateurish in the extreme.

She cried in the boardroom to get sympathy - it was completely unprofessional and Sugar would have laughed his tits off if a man had done the same. He should have seen through this but I think he must obviously like her business plan.

Charleine only brought back Mr. Asda because he's the weakest of the lot and she knew that Joseph would have thrown her under a bus in the boardroom. Her relieved smile at the end said it all - even she knew that she should have been sacked.

I don't know what the f**k Sugar was talking about with regards to Richard's contribution on the other team. The look and feel of the other team's product was a million times more professional. If Vana hadn't been such a moron with the oil, Brett's team would have easily won.

Whether you like Richard or not, he's been by the far the most consistent candidate throughout the process. Been on the winning team 8 times, won twice as project manager, easily generated the most money throughout the process...he's simply more competent than anyone else.

The fact that Charleine's got to the interview stage just shows how poor the quality has been this series. This has been easily the worst series I've ever seen with regards to quality of the candidates
I was going to write a post until I read this. you summed it all up perfectly.
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Old 12-12-2015, 13:51
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Charleine pretty much retweets or likes anything even mentioning her or the show, not just things about Selina.
She's exhaustingly active, like she is on the show really.

I noticed a week or so ago when a tweet by the show's official account said something unprecedented would happen. Charleine liked a tweet by someone saying 'what, an interesting episode happening for a change', which I thought was funny. She obviously doesn't take herself too seriously.
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Old 12-12-2015, 17:38
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Charleine pretty much retweets or likes anything even mentioning her or the show, not just things about Selina.
She's exhaustingly active, like she is on the show really.

I noticed a week or so ago when a tweet by the show's official account said something unprecedented would happen. Charleine liked a tweet by someone saying 'what, an interesting episode happening for a change', which I thought was funny. She obviously doesn't take herself too seriously.
She does take herself seriously, I think. I think she's just tried not to go down the Selina route of "if you don't like me, you're blocked".

I do like her, though.
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