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Old 07-12-2015, 12:18
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I was hoping to see Helen in the final. Such a pity she was up against Georgia in the dance-off whose routine was much easier to execute. Against Anita who was the worst dancer on the night she would have gone through. I don't think she was robbed - just dealt a bad hand by both the judges (placing her second from bottom on the leaderboard) and the GBP (not liking her dance enough to vote for it).
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:20
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I think it was just something as simple as people thought she was safe being 2nd on the leader board and therefore didn't bother to vote. Which just goes to show always vote for your favourite even if they are top of the leaderboard.
Perhaps. But most on-line polls that I looked at had (in order of preference) Jay, Anita, Katie and then Georgia, then Helen/Kellie. If you look at retweets of tweets by strictly etc it mirrored that order too. When people vote in polls on-line they go for their favourite - the 'not voting because shes safe' doesn't come into it.
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:26
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Interesting to hear people's opinions. Though I certainly wouldn't describe her as "forgettable" or "dull", I'd argue that she is simply more reserved and understated than other celebs. Interestingly those are character traits which she shares with Jay which makes it harder to understand the discrepancy between the two fan bases.


You're never going to understand what I see, I'm never going to understand what you see, it's why it's subjective. I did say a tad dull, i don't think she's even reserved, she's just very... expected is the word I want to use.

I think we need to differentiate between Georgia the person and Georgia's dances. Georgia is LOVELY, the perfect Strictly contestant, hard working, joyful, loving it, good, fun and generally a trouper.

It's a lot of Georgia's dances that many find dull. I can't remember a single Georgia dance apart from the charleston and the tango and i only remember that because of the green goop in her hair. I think, as I'm watching her, oh that was lovely, then goes straight out of my head.

I do find she's the celeb lots of people forget about when they're listing those left. I do, I have to remember Giovanni to remember Georgia. No-one is saying she's awful, she's just very good and sometimes you need to be awful or brilliant to be remembered.

sorry for the ramble
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:32
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You're never going to understand what I see, I'm never going to understand what you see, it's why it's subjective. I did say a tad dull, i don't think she's even reserved, she's just very... expected is the word I want to use.

I think we need to differentiate between Georgia the person and Georgia's dances. Georgia is LOVELY, the perfect Strictly contestant, hard working, joyful, loving it, good, fun and generally a trouper.

It's a lot of Georgia's dances that many find dull. I can't remember a single Georgia dance apart from the charleston and the tango and i only remember that because of the green goop in her hair. I think, as I'm watching her, oh that was lovely, then goes straight out of my head.

I do find she's the celeb lots of people forget about when they're listing those left. I do, I have to remember Giovanni to remember Georgia. No-one is saying she's awful, she's just very good and sometimes you need to be awful or brilliant to be remembered.

sorry for the ramble
Yep, theres nothing you can do about it, its just subjective and on the positive side, its nice that all of the celebs can manage to give something off that appeals to at least some of us.

I am the complete opposite to you....I have LOVED every single one of her dances and they have been far more standout than anyone elses (Jays jive aside).

I thought her jive was great for a first week dance, her rumba was the most sensual and atmoshperic rumba I've seen on SCD, her samba the trickiest and most challenging (I've said before I cannot see any of the others being able to do it) and definitely a wow dance. As was her Charleston and Tango. While all her ballroom numbers have been enchanting, danced well and always with good emotive storytelling. And even the ones in the earlier weeks that weren't her most stand-out ones (salsa and quickstep) were danced brilliantly and very watchable.
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:34
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I'm curious as to what dancing Georgia has done before. She said quite honestly in an interview with Zoe that shes never done ballroom or latin in her life and call me gullible but I don't think she was lying. Did she go to a college where there was a bit of dance and drama? It can't have amounted to much, and surely is completely irrelevent after the intense training they've all had now.

I don't begrudge Anitas hard work and agree she has come on well, but Georgias dancing technique and performance is amazing and I feel people just presume shes had extensive training because shes so good?
I think I read that Georgia has done some modern dancing or something. I'm not quite sure what that is though

Anita has done well for someone with no training, but she has still just reached the not so lofty heights of mediocrity for me.

I think Georgia, unfortunately, doesn't inspire the manic fandom that Jay or Anita do. I think she's a lot of people's second favourites, I know she's probably mine. She's lovely and sweet but just a tad dull. She's probably the most consistent, but that doesn't really inspire many. I do hope she makes the final though.

She also suffers from having a first time pro, so she hasn't gained the votes that Aljaz or Pasha do. I love Giovanni, I hope he comes back as he's my favourite of the three new pros.
I love the fact that Giovanni seems a bit goofy. Gleb takes himself too seriously and his AT costume didn't help.
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:34
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You're never going to understand what I see, I'm never going to understand what you see, it's why it's subjective. I did say a tad dull, i don't think she's even reserved, she's just very... expected is the word I want to use.

I think we need to differentiate between Georgia the person and Georgia's dances. Georgia is LOVELY, the perfect Strictly contestant, hard working, joyful, loving it, good, fun and generally a trouper.

It's a lot of Georgia's dances that many find dull. I can't remember a single Georgia dance apart from the charleston and the tango and i only remember that because of the green goop in her hair. I think, as I'm watching her, oh that was lovely, then goes straight out of my head.

I do find she's the celeb lots of people forget about when they're listing those left. I do, I have to remember Giovanni to remember Georgia. No-one is saying she's awful, she's just very good and sometimes you need to be awful or brilliant to be remembered.

sorry for the ramble
It's strange -- they're all the qualities of the duffer (except that she isn't), the joy-of-the-experience/work hard/trouper-ishness. Maybe she's too good for her own good in terms of kerb appeal? I think she's learning the basics too, in so far as it's possible to that schedule. Hmm.

Maybe Gio's beginner English is a problem in giving accent to the choreo too and that could leave the routines a little un-Kevin, for want of a marker. Sometimes the pros' choreo is almost too responsive to the lyrics but I feel that sometimes Gio has missed a cue through not quite getting the importance of those words at that moment...

Blasphemy! I love him loads
And like humpty, I have really loved most of their dances. There are two I don't like because I can't stick the music (but even in those instances objectively I can still see she's good)
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:37
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I think I read that Georgia has done some modern dancing or something. I'm not quite sure what that is though

Anita has done well for someone with no training, but she has still just reached the not so lofty heights of mediocrity for me.



I love the fact that Giovanni seems a bit goofy. Gleb takes himself too seriously and his AT costume didn't help.
Yes, I don't think it amounts to much at all, especially at this stage. And I think there is a huge discrepency in the amount of kudos and credit Anita gets for having no training and how far Georgia has come (in terms of dance technique and performance) having had very minimal dance input which is insignificant when it comes to ballroom and latin especially after a week or two in training for SCD especially as she has never done latin or ballroom,
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:43
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You're never going to understand what I see, I'm never going to understand what you see, it's why it's subjective. I did say a tad dull, i don't think she's even reserved, she's just very... expected is the word I want to use.

I think we need to differentiate between Georgia the person and Georgia's dances. Georgia is LOVELY, the perfect Strictly contestant, hard working, joyful, loving it, good, fun and generally a trouper.

It's a lot of Georgia's dances that many find dull. I can't remember a single Georgia dance apart from the charleston and the tango and i only remember that because of the green goop in her hair. I think, as I'm watching her, oh that was lovely, then goes straight out of my head.

I do find she's the celeb lots of people forget about when they're listing those left. I do, I have to remember Giovanni to remember Georgia. No-one is saying she's awful, she's just very good and sometimes you need to be awful or brilliant to be remembered.

sorry for the ramble
BIB - absolutely true!
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:44
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It's strange -- they're all the qualities of the duffer (except that she isn't), the joy-of-the-experience/work hard/trouper-ishness. Maybe she's too good for her own good in terms of kerb appeal? I think she's learning the basics too, in so far as it's possible to that schedule. Hmm.

Maybe Gio's beginner English is a problem in giving accent to the choreo too and that could leave the routines a little un-Kevin, for want of a marker. Sometimes the pros' choreo is almost too responsive to the lyrics but I feel that sometimes Gio has missed a cue through not quite getting the importance of those words at that moment...

Blasphemy! I love him loads
And like humpty, I have really loved most of their dances. There are two I don't like because I can't stick the music (but even in those instances objectively I can still see she's good)

I do think Gio's English is blooming amazing though as someone who has only been learning it since August. And one of my favourite moments of the whole series is him talking in a Manchester accent.
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:46
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And I have to say, I'm loving this thread, everyone is having a really nice exchange of views without insulting each other or other groups of fans. Thanks guys, it's been so refreshing.
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:47
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Well I was one of the ones who didn't vote for her on Saturday simply because I thought she would be safe, otherwise I would have done (lesson learned). I don't find her forgettable and when I go back to rewatch some of the dances hers is always one of the ones I choose - I will qualify that and add 'since' her Tango.

I started out with no particular favourite so for most of the last few weeks have voted for who's dance I have most enjoyed - Georgia has regularly been one of them. Of all the ones left I rate her as my favourite - the rest depends one what they do on the night - but I do look forward to Georgia and Giovanni. I think they are reliable and consistent and (giant teapots aside) don't go for gimmicks or 'show' over substance.

Hopefully she will get a bounce this week and go through to the final. Barring major disasters I hope she gets to the final three.
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:50
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And I have to say, I'm loving this thread, everyone is having a really nice exchange of views without insulting each other or other groups of fans. Thanks guys, it's been so refreshing.
Thank you
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:56
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And I have to say, I'm loving this thread, everyone is having a really nice exchange of views without insulting each other or other groups of fans. Thanks guys, it's been so refreshing.
I feel a bit guilty for criticising Anita's dancing now. Let's pretend it didn't happen
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Old 07-12-2015, 12:57
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Since you asked...

I think Georgia is a very pretty girl, who dances very nicely. I can remember a few of her past routines so she isn't instantly forgettable for me in that sense. I liked the disco one in the green dress the most, the charleston was well performed but used so much choreography from the movie that it was not... surprising enough for my taste.

I'm sure there are many people that pick who they want to support based purely on the dancing. For me, there is so much dancing (30 different routines before we are asked to vote), and much of it of a similar quality, that my favourites tend to be people I find interesting - either because they are paired with a pro I like, or I know a bit about them previously or they say or do something that catches my attention. I'm sure Georgia is a really nice girl, but she hasn't really stood out for me in the way say Helen has, or even Jamelia.

I think she's a worthy finalist though and am sure last week's DO was just a blip. I would even say she has a decent chance of picking up the floating votes and going on to win. But she's not for me, sorry.
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Old 07-12-2015, 13:05
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I’m aware that I won’t be able to talk at all objectively about this pair – so I’ve set up this thread primarily as a means of gauging wider opinions on the forum.

In a recent poll on this forum about who people “wanted” in the final, Georgia and Giovanni received the second highest amount of votes, though I feel that given the DO last night there is a real possibility that they might not get there.

My perception is that the majority of people rate Georgia’s dance ability highly, but is a victim of audience indifference perhaps fueled by an assumption that because of her dancing ability she would sail through to the final. Would others agree with this or are there other reasons for their comparative lack of popularity?

Would people agree that if these two weren’t to make it through next week it would be a poorer final?
hi Brian, yes, it would definitely be a poorer final, they must get there and I would love it if they won, you know how I feel about Team GG, they're the only couple whose dances I've watched many times and, for me, they get better each time I see them, I think there's real friendship and affection between these two which shows in their dances and I was very surprised to see them in the dance off but so pleased that they're now in the semi finals, have everything crossed that they reach the final

I think Georgia, unfortunately, doesn't inspire the manic fandom that Jay or Anita do. I think she's a lot of people's second favourites, I know she's probably mine. She's lovely and sweet but just a tad dull. She's probably the most consistent, but that doesn't really inspire many. I do hope she makes the final though.

She also suffers from having a first time pro, so she hasn't gained the votes that Aljaz or Pasha do. I love Giovanni, I hope he comes back as he's my favourite of the three new pros.
I could never describe Georgia as dull but she's quite young so maybe she doesn't have as much confidence as Anita or Kellie, have to admit that I'd never heard of her before Strictly as I don't watch Coronation Street and, as a new pro dancer, Giovanni doesn't have the fan base in the UK yet but I think he's done well to get Georgia so far in the competition and he's a fantastic dancer and choreographer ... and looks quite nice, too, in fact I have a mild crush on him
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Old 07-12-2015, 13:09
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hi Brian, yes, it would definitely be a poorer final, they must get there and I would love it if they won, you know how I feel about Team GG, they're the only couple whose dances I've watched many times and, for me, they get better each time I see them, I think there's real friendship and affection between these two which shows in their dances and I was very surprised to see them in the dance off but so pleased that they're now in the semi finals, have everything crossed that they reach the final
Hello! I agree with you 100% - naturally!
I'm still quite confident they'll get to the final, even if they had to do it via the DO.
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Old 07-12-2015, 13:10
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I usually love Georgia & Giovanni and have voted for them most weeks, but there was just something about the dance on Saturday that left me cold. I don't know what it was (& it wasn't the teapots) but I love Beauty & the Beast, I love their partnership, I usually love Gio's choreography, but it just didn't work for me and as a result, I didn't vote for them and I wasn't that surprised they were in the DO.

In fact if it was only based on that dance, I probably would have saved Helen but I'm glad that Georgia was saved because I've generally enjoyed her dances. Hopefully it was just an average week and they'll be back to their best next week. I certainly wouldn't discount them from the final or even winning it based on that dance.
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Old 07-12-2015, 13:16
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Hello! I agree with you 100% - naturally!
I'm still quite confident they'll get to the final, even if they had to do it via the DO.
I honestly don't think it will be via the DO, and I think she's final three, which is how it should be as she's one of the two best left.
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Old 07-12-2015, 13:18
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I honestly don't think it will be via the DO, and I think she's final three, which is how it should be as she's one of the two best left.
Aw, thank you for your confidence!
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Old 07-12-2015, 13:20
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I usually love Georgia & Giovanni and have voted for them most weeks, but there was just something about the dance on Saturday that left me cold. I don't know what it was (& it wasn't the teapots) but I love Beauty & the Beast, I love their partnership, I usually love Gio's choreography, but it just didn't work for me and as a result, I didn't vote for them and I wasn't that surprised they were in the DO.

In fact if it was only based on that dance, I probably would have saved Helen but I'm glad that Georgia was saved because I've generally enjoyed her dances. Hopefully it was just an average week and they'll be back to their best next week. I certainly wouldn't discount them from the final or even winning it based on that dance.
To be absolutely honest I nearly didn't vote. It was the whole swooshy Disney yellowy bleghness. It really surprised me because in training I thought their foxtrot looked great. It was remembering the training footage that motivated me to use my online votes, just in time too!

I flippin' hate Disney and all that magical sugar-rush.

(Then watching it back later without the music and with a hand raised to hide the wandering teapot, I was really glad I had voted because underneath the yellowy blegh, there the foxtrot was)
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Old 07-12-2015, 13:22
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Aw, thank you for your confidence!
No problem, if Jay doesn't lift the glitterball it was always her or Helen I would want (whilst sulking, stropping and flouncing because he was out obviously ), but her or Helen I had no problem with, now Helen's gone, if not Jay, then Georgia for me.
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Old 07-12-2015, 13:25
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I think she comes across as nice but forgettable in terms of her personality as she has no storyline. The problemm is her dances are also forgettable. I remember several times thinking that's very good but I can't recall her ever doing a "wow" dance. Last weekend the routine was also a bit of an acquired taste for anyone over 14 and I don't think that helped. That factor probably won't be repeated next week plus there is likely to bea bounce effect so I think she's in less danger.
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Old 07-12-2015, 13:28
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I've been saying for weeks she was untested as a fan base.

I think her fan base is very dedicated like Jay's but smaller than his or Katies or Anita's

Outside of that I think she is lots of people's second and third fave. I bet if you did a poll for 2nd fave she'd win it.

I also think most of her fan base merges with Anita, as in they like and vote for both, so unless Anita goes before the final she is unlikely to pick up a lot of extra support.

It will be interesting to see what happens next week as if Anita is near the bottom again, will those fans abandon Anita to save Georgia from possible d/o or not?
From looking at fresh polls it appears Jay might have picked up most of Helen's support.
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Old 07-12-2015, 14:25
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If you like actresses with stage school training and a bit of dance experience then you've still got two left after one has gone home. That might explain why Georgia, Helen, and Kellie have all been in the dance off. We expect them to do well, we are disappointed if they don't, and there's not really any story behind their Strictly success.
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Old 07-12-2015, 14:49
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On a couple of occasions Georgia's had the same Ballroom dances as Katie (AS at Blackpool and Musicals Foxtrot). She danced better both times but stylistically I much prefered Katie's more sophisticated routines to Georgia's princessy ones. So it comes down to taste and her Ballroom's not my cup of tea - however good her topline and footwork might be. Of all Georgia's dances, the one that vaguely excited me was her Samba so if she makes the final (and I suspect she'll get a strong bounce-back vote next week to ensure she does), I hope that's the judges pick.
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