There you go Peter, an example that proves otherwise. I must be right.



Other artists are on big record labels but they can't match what King Bieber is doing so there must be other reasons for his success. Probably his personality and uniqueness. Other less successful artists should change their ways and release more commercial music like Bieber to achieve higher sales and awards like Grammys etc. if they want to be appreciated and remembered. The numbers show that Bieber's clearly doing things right so other artists should follow his approach.

I agree 100%. FACTS & STATS prove what the mighty Beiber is doing right now in the charts puts him on equal footing with The Beatles, Elvis, Michael Jackson in terms of cultural impact.

Hope these last few posters are kidding. hehe

Other artists can't match what Bieber's achieved. These numbers are significant :



Please keep us updated with more stats as they happen Zeus, it's amazing. I recommend starting a new thread so people don't miss them.

Like I said, it's unprecedented. Not even those artists managed to achieve what Bieber has. Incredible really. None of us know what will happen in the future but if Bieber can keep doing what he's doing and break more records he could be right up there with the artists you mentioned.

An example doesn't prove your right. Justin Bieber does not appeal to a wide audience. Most could not even name a song of his. Does Bieber get playlisted on Radio 2 or Magic? I don't think so. And there is a good reason for that. Adele on the other hand at least does appeal to a wide audience.

No he is not up there with those artists. His music is forgotten as soon as it is released. How could The Beatles or Elvis had as many songs in the chart when they would have had to have had singles released to achieve it. The Beatles didn't release every song off their albums as singles.

You hope so yes. But in the world of DS you just don't know.

OMG what's your problem with Bieber? We should all be happy for him and celebrate his unprecedented success as it's a good thing for music. He's showing other artists how to be successful. He may start influencing other artists but they won't be able to match him because he's a unique talent.

None if us can say what will happen in future, we don't have a crystal ball LOL. Fact is, Bieber's achieving things already that not even The Beatles managed. The stats are amazing and quite arousing.

Well he's definitely appealing to a *wider* audience than he used to. I don't think you need Radio 2 or Magic to do that.

My problem? He has no musical talent and doesn't deserve the success. He will never influence any artist that has any ounce of talent and credibility. Seriously comparing him to the likes of Elvis and The Beatles is an absolute insult.

Like what? You don't understand stats. The singles chart used to be that a chart of singles. How could The Beatles have had 8 singles in The Top 40 when they would not have had 8 singles available to buy? But when you start using language like arousing I can only think you are on the wind up?

Doesn't appeal to a wider audience? Have you seen the charts - you don't DOMINATE the charts with just 14 year old girls as fans. Anyway The Beatles were a boyband at the start of their career, appealing mostly to 14 year old girls - they progressed, just like Beiber is now. And at least Beiber seems to be maturing as a human being, unlike the total scumbag Lennon.

And as for people not being able to name a song, rubbish. Joni Mitchell is constantly cited as one of the most influential female singers ever, and how many people could name one of her songs? In fact I recon if you asked the question 'Name a Joni Mitchell song' lot of people would reply with 'Whose HE?' lol.

Radio 2. Hahaha - it's a radio station for the retired, people happily to listen to endless MOR who think Whitesnake are edgy. Of course they aren't likely to play something revelant .

Relevant? What you mean the most listened to Radio station in the UK has no relevance? And seriously yes I have looked at the current charts and that is the problem. Most of it does not appeal to a wide audience. And how can Lennon mature as a human being when he is dead?
As for naming songs. I didn't say all great artists had songs most people can name. I was distributing the claim that he is more culturally important than The Beatles and Elvis! As for The Beatles being a boyband. They still had wider appeal and if you are seriously suggesting that Bieber is going to be releasing albums as iconic as The Beatles then you are having a laugh. His songs will be less remembered than Westlife!

When you say most of the chart does not appeal to a wider audience, do you mean you? Because I think your dislike of JB is clouding your judgement a little here Peter.

I can't argue with your stance on The Beatles and Elvis (although who knows what we will think about JB 30 years down the line) but I don't think you're being objective when it comes to recognising that he IS appealing to a wider audience nowadays.

In 5 to 10 years time no one will remember who he was, apart from a few grown up former teenage girl fans.

You probably said the same thing 5 years ago when he first appeared - the fact he's gone from teenage heart throb to his current level of chart domination in those short 5 years suggests he's on a upward tread - who knows in the next 5 to 10 years he may release his Thriller.

I mean both. The charts no longer appeal to a wide audience and lack variety.

His Thriller? You mean a poor tribute album?

More chance of him overdosing or becoming a total wack job like Jackson I would say.

To some of us it's very exciting when records are broken and fact is, Bieber's dominating at the moment, perhaps even more so than The Beatles managed in their time.



Exactly, my mum, auntie and sister couldn't name a Joni Mitchell song but they can all name some Bieber songs. Just goes to show how music is subjective. Every one has their opinion and the stats show that lots of people like Bieber so he must be doing something right.

Some of them seem to be serious about what they are saying!!! I like coming on here to read some of the more ridiculous views though to be honest. Its funny

Whilst what JB is achieving at the moment is impressive, it is ridiculous to compare him to The Beatles, or any other artist from the physical singles era. Artists never used to release multiple singles at the same time. It's only because you can download/stream album tracks now that what he is doing is even possible.

Wow Beiber fans are crazy! I daren't look on Twitter!

Simple fact is you can't compare today's charts with the charts from years back. They are 2 different scales. That's like filling up a measuring jug full of water and saying this represents 'so and so's success' and then having another jug and adding water and another liquid that didn't exist the first time and saying one is more successful than the other.

I would like to see what the charts look like with just sales and no streaming. Yes JB would probably have a couple of hits in the top 40, but I doubt there'd be more than that. I wonder if streaming had been around in the 60s, I bet the Beatles would have more than 8 in the top 40!