New TV

Ross1874 · 08-12-2015, 00:51

I am currently looking for a new 32 inch tv for my bedroom to replace my old Phillips which has now bit the dust, i have my eye on http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravia...wi-fi/p1919520 and http://www.johnlewis.com/lg-32lf650v...asses/p1973301

does anyone on here have either of these TV's, i am leaning towards the LG as i like the 3D feature and it is also currently in stock, but then i have always heard that sony is the best brand out there and it is also cheaper in price but without the 3D.

Winston_1 · 08-12-2015, 00:53

Go for the LG. Sony are over rated.

Nigel Goodwin · 08-12-2015, 08:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

Go for the LG. Sony are over rated.

Completely untrue, as always Sony and Panasonic are the best two brands, and LG/Samsung the middling two.

skinj · 08-12-2015, 20:52

Make no decision without seeing the picture on both sets with comparable input signals. If 3D is something you are likely to seldom use, and the Sony pq is better, then I would say go for the Sony. If 3D is important for films or gaming and you feel you'll regret not having it, plump for the LG.

skinj · 08-12-2015, 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

Go for the LG. Sony are over rated.

The laughable thing is that I would say that LG & Samsung are over rated!
In all fairness I think the value for money on Sony, Samsung, LG & Panasonic is actually very similar. LG & Samsung tend to be a bit less, but they seem to be less reliable and they don't seem to perform as well in my opinion either.

fastest finger · 08-12-2015, 22:00

I'm looking at new TVs at the moment and there are (relatively cheap) Sony and Panasonic UHDTVs getting better reviews than more expensive Samsungs.

Winston_1 · 09-12-2015, 00:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

Completely untrue, as always Sony and Panasonic are the best two brands, and LG/Samsung the middling two.

That is your opinion which you regularly state.
But.
Sony are over rated and seem to have a non intuitive operating system.
Panasonic are hobbled to only work in one country of the EU rather than the whole of it. They also seem to have problems coping with FEC changes on transponders necessitating a complete re install when this happens.

Samsung had problems with dud capacitors, maybe fixed now.

fastest finger · 09-12-2015, 01:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

That is your opinion which you regularly state.
But.
Sony are over rated and seem to have a non intuitive operating system.
Panasonic are hobbled to only work in one country of the EU rather than the whole of it. They also seem to have problems coping with FEC changes on transponders necessitating a complete re install when this happens.

Samsung had problems with dud capacitors, maybe fixed now.

Speaking as a potential buyer, with no brand-loyalty axe to grind, it seems to me Samsung and LG TVs always have some critical shortfall that rules out a purchase.

LGs seem to have issues with input lag, so as a gamer I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Samsungs seem to have issues with smooth movement unless you're looking and their very high end models, so again I wouldn't be interested.

Even the more modest Sony and Panasonc models (barring the cheap Vestel rebadges) are good all rounders in terms of picture quality and performance. Something that I hold in much higher regard than the (non)issues you have raised.

skinj · 09-12-2015, 15:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

That is your opinion which you regularly state.
But.
Sony are over rated and seem to have a non intuitive operating system.
Panasonic are hobbled to only work in one country of the EU rather than the whole of it. They also seem to have problems coping with FEC changes on transponders necessitating a complete re install when this happens.

Samsung had problems with dud capacitors, maybe fixed now.

Not had any issues with signal changes on Panasonic's & we sell a lot of the. When signals change, as a default the TV has a pop-up message that allows the viewer to simply click ok and let the TV retune. This is not a full re-install it is a retuning which as far as I'm aware the vast majority of other sets need to do to.

It is also your opinion that Sony are over rated just as much as it it other that they are not.
As for Samsung reliability, we still repair a hell of a lot of them, vastly more than we do Panasonic/Sony.

anthony david · 09-12-2015, 16:10

If you are buying a "smart" TV you may need a power line adaptor, Winston will advise you as to the best one to buy.............

Nigel Goodwin · 09-12-2015, 19:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinj

As for Samsung reliability, we still repair a hell of a lot of them, vastly more than we do Panasonic/Sony.

That's pretty general across the service trade.

JulesandSand · 09-12-2015, 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

That is your opinion which you regularly state.
But.
Sony are over rated and seem to have a non intuitive operating system.
Panasonic are hobbled to only work in one country of the EU rather than the whole of it. They also seem to have problems coping with FEC changes on transponders necessitating a complete re install when this happens.

Samsung had problems with dud capacitors, maybe fixed now.

Got a decent source for that assertion (I'm not including you obviously)?

I'm looking forward to Sony and Panasonic's OLED offerings (I know they'll have LG panels but there's more to a TV than the panel I think)

skinj · 11-12-2015, 11:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin

That's pretty general across the service trade.

Yeah, it's what we hear all the time. Having said that they do sell a lot more too so that will account for some of the discrepancy.

AlanO · 11-12-2015, 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinj

As for Samsung reliability, we still repair a hell of a lot of them, vastly more than we do Panasonic/Sony.

But I'll bet your selling twice as many Samsung as Panasonic and Sony combined.

Pretty much any sales figures in the public domain now have Samsung as the number 1 seller - I suspect in reality Vestel actual shift the most units overall when you consider how many different sets go out under different badges from them though.

Nigel Goodwin · 11-12-2015, 19:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanO

Pretty much any sales figures in the public domain now have Samsung as the number 1 seller - I suspect in reality Vestel actual shift the most units overall when you consider how many different sets go out under different badges from them though.

As far as I'm aware Vestel have been the biggest seller in Europe for a good many years now,but aren't listed in public figures though.

Winston_1 · 11-12-2015, 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthony david

If you are buying a "smart" TV you may need a power line adaptor, Winston will advise you as to the best one to buy.............

He won't and you know why. Stop trolling.

Smufter · 12-12-2015, 04:02

I've had a couple of Samsungs, a couple of Panasonics and am now on my 1st Sony.
For PQ alone, the Sony wins hands down.

lovedoctor1978 · 12-12-2015, 05:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston_1

That is your opinion which you regularly state.
But.
Sony are over rated and seem to have a non intuitive operating system.
Panasonic are hobbled to only work in one country of the EU rather than the whole of it. They also seem to have problems coping with FEC changes on transponders necessitating a complete re install when this happens.

Samsung had problems with dud capacitors, maybe fixed now.

Why do I keep reading this on here?
Care to tell me why (apart from maybe the Irish border) this is so important? Never once have I taken my TV on a foreign (or domestic) holiday with me.

Nigel Goodwin · 12-12-2015, 08:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by lovedoctor1978

Why do I keep reading this on here?
Care to tell me why (apart from maybe the Irish border) this is so important?

It's one of Winston's crazy obsessions

skinj · 12-12-2015, 09:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlanO

But I'll bet your selling twice as many Samsung as Panasonic and Sony combined.

Pretty much any sales figures in the public domain now have Samsung as the number 1 seller - I suspect in reality Vestel actual shift the most units overall when you consider how many different sets go out under different badges from them though.

No, we sell 95% Panasonic TVs. The odd Linsar, Samsung, Sony, Hisense goes out too but we're know as a Panasonic seller& do the repairs for Panasonic too giving us the ability to look after people before & after they buy from us.

fastest finger · 12-12-2015, 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinj

No, we sell 95% Panasonic TVs. The odd Linsar, Samsung, Sony, Hisense goes out too but we're know as a Panasonic seller& do the repairs for Panasonic too giving us the ability to look after people before & after they buy from us.

You're perhaps the man in the know - have you any experience of Panasonic's own refurbs? You can get a good deal on their 2015 models via their outlet store if you're willing to take a punt. Are they worth it?

1andrew1 · 12-12-2015, 12:10

Sony KDL-32W705C.
Rated 51% by Which?
Pros: Decent HD picture quality, smart-TV apps, PVR feature, affordable price.
Cons: Abysmal sound quality, SD picture could be better, smart TV not great to use, narrow viewing angle.

By contrast:

Samsung UE32H6200
Rated 76% by Which?
Pros: Great picture quality, superb sound, excellent features.
Cons: Smart TV not great to use with standard remote.

Samsung UE32H6400
Rated 79% by Which?
Pros: Great picture quality, decent sound, impressive smart TV and other features.
Cons: Smart touch control could be easier to use.

http://www.which.co.uk/reviews/telev...ow-we-test-tvs

skinj · 12-12-2015, 13:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastest finger

You're perhaps the man in the know - have you any experience of Panasonic's own refurbs? You can get a good deal on their 2015 models via their outlet store if you're willing to take a punt. Are they worth it?

We've haven't taken any of the refurbs in for many years. Think from memory they were 28" tube TVs but they were all in good condition and we didn't get any above average faults with them.

AlanO · 12-12-2015, 16:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by anthony david

If you are buying a "smart" TV you may need a power line adaptor, Winston will advise you as to the best one to buy.............

AlanO · 12-12-2015, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by fastest finger

You're perhaps the man in the know - have you any experience of Panasonic's own refurbs? You can get a good deal on their 2015 models via their outlet store if you're willing to take a punt. Are they worth it?

Not a TV, and I don't work in the trade, but I have bought a refurb from the Panasonic eBay store - a sound base. You wouldn't have known it wasn't new, came with all accessories bagged and had no sign of previous use. Delivered quickly by DPD. I'd have no concerns about buying from them again.

08-12-2015, 00:51	#1
Ross1874 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 1,446	New TV I am currently looking for a new 32 inch tv for my bedroom to replace my old Phillips which has now bit the dust, i have my eye on http://www.johnlewis.com/sony-bravia...wi-fi/p1919520 and http://www.johnlewis.com/lg-32lf650v...asses/p1973301 does anyone on here have either of these TV's, i am leaning towards the LG as i like the 3D feature and it is also currently in stock, but then i have always heard that sony is the best brand out there and it is also cheaper in price but without the 3D.

08-12-2015, 00:53	#2
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	Go for the LG. Sony are over rated.

08-12-2015, 08:52	#3
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 Go for the LG. Sony are over rated. Completely untrue, as always Sony and Panasonic are the best two brands, and LG/Samsung the middling two.

08-12-2015, 20:52	#4
skinj Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,206	Make no decision without seeing the picture on both sets with comparable input signals. If 3D is something you are likely to seldom use, and the Sony pq is better, then I would say go for the Sony. If 3D is important for films or gaming and you feel you'll regret not having it, plump for the LG.

08-12-2015, 20:54	#5
skinj Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,206	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 Go for the LG. Sony are over rated. The laughable thing is that I would say that LG & Samsung are over rated! In all fairness I think the value for money on Sony, Samsung, LG & Panasonic is actually very similar. LG & Samsung tend to be a bit less, but they seem to be less reliable and they don't seem to perform as well in my opinion either.

08-12-2015, 22:00	#6
fastest finger Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Heart of England. Posts: 8,633	I'm looking at new TVs at the moment and there are (relatively cheap) Sony and Panasonic UHDTVs getting better reviews than more expensive Samsungs.

09-12-2015, 00:51	#7
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin Completely untrue, as always Sony and Panasonic are the best two brands, and LG/Samsung the middling two. That is your opinion which you regularly state. But. Sony are over rated and seem to have a non intuitive operating system. Panasonic are hobbled to only work in one country of the EU rather than the whole of it. They also seem to have problems coping with FEC changes on transponders necessitating a complete re install when this happens. Samsung had problems with dud capacitors, maybe fixed now.

09-12-2015, 01:01	#8
fastest finger Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Heart of England. Posts: 8,633	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 That is your opinion which you regularly state. But. Sony are over rated and seem to have a non intuitive operating system. Panasonic are hobbled to only work in one country of the EU rather than the whole of it. They also seem to have problems coping with FEC changes on transponders necessitating a complete re install when this happens. Samsung had problems with dud capacitors, maybe fixed now. Speaking as a potential buyer, with no brand-loyalty axe to grind, it seems to me Samsung and LG TVs always have some critical shortfall that rules out a purchase. LGs seem to have issues with input lag, so as a gamer I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. Samsungs seem to have issues with smooth movement unless you're looking and their very high end models, so again I wouldn't be interested. Even the more modest Sony and Panasonc models (barring the cheap Vestel rebadges) are good all rounders in terms of picture quality and performance. Something that I hold in much higher regard than the (non)issues you have raised.

09-12-2015, 15:25	#9
skinj Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,206	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 That is your opinion which you regularly state. But. Sony are over rated and seem to have a non intuitive operating system. Panasonic are hobbled to only work in one country of the EU rather than the whole of it. They also seem to have problems coping with FEC changes on transponders necessitating a complete re install when this happens. Samsung had problems with dud capacitors, maybe fixed now. Not had any issues with signal changes on Panasonic's & we sell a lot of the. When signals change, as a default the TV has a pop-up message that allows the viewer to simply click ok and let the TV retune. This is not a full re-install it is a retuning which as far as I'm aware the vast majority of other sets need to do to. It is also your opinion that Sony are over rated just as much as it it other that they are not. As for Samsung reliability, we still repair a hell of a lot of them, vastly more than we do Panasonic/Sony.

09-12-2015, 16:10	#10
anthony david Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 3,469	If you are buying a "smart" TV you may need a power line adaptor, Winston will advise you as to the best one to buy.............

09-12-2015, 19:09	#11
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by skinj As for Samsung reliability, we still repair a hell of a lot of them, vastly more than we do Panasonic/Sony. That's pretty general across the service trade.

09-12-2015, 19:19	#12
JulesandSand Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Caledonia Posts: 5,687	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 That is your opinion which you regularly state. But. Sony are over rated and seem to have a non intuitive operating system. Panasonic are hobbled to only work in one country of the EU rather than the whole of it. They also seem to have problems coping with FEC changes on transponders necessitating a complete re install when this happens. Samsung had problems with dud capacitors, maybe fixed now. Got a decent source for that assertion (I'm not including you obviously)? I'm looking forward to Sony and Panasonic's OLED offerings (I know they'll have LG panels but there's more to a TV than the panel I think)

11-12-2015, 11:25	#13
skinj Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,206	Quote: Originally Posted by Nigel Goodwin That's pretty general across the service trade. Yeah, it's what we hear all the time. Having said that they do sell a lot more too so that will account for some of the discrepancy.

11-12-2015, 18:23	#14
AlanO Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,902	Quote: Originally Posted by skinj As for Samsung reliability, we still repair a hell of a lot of them, vastly more than we do Panasonic/Sony. But I'll bet your selling twice as many Samsung as Panasonic and Sony combined. Pretty much any sales figures in the public domain now have Samsung as the number 1 seller - I suspect in reality Vestel actual shift the most units overall when you consider how many different sets go out under different badges from them though.

11-12-2015, 19:25	#15
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by AlanO Pretty much any sales figures in the public domain now have Samsung as the number 1 seller - I suspect in reality Vestel actual shift the most units overall when you consider how many different sets go out under different badges from them though. As far as I'm aware Vestel have been the biggest seller in Europe for a good many years now,but aren't listed in public figures though.

11-12-2015, 23:29	#16
Winston_1 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 5,008	Quote: Originally Posted by anthony david If you are buying a "smart" TV you may need a power line adaptor, Winston will advise you as to the best one to buy............. He won't and you know why. Stop trolling.

12-12-2015, 04:02	#17
Smufter Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 416	I've had a couple of Samsungs, a couple of Panasonics and am now on my 1st Sony. For PQ alone, the Sony wins hands down.

12-12-2015, 05:04	#18
lovedoctor1978 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Huddersfield Posts: 1,876	Quote: Originally Posted by Winston_1 That is your opinion which you regularly state. But. Sony are over rated and seem to have a non intuitive operating system. Panasonic are hobbled to only work in one country of the EU rather than the whole of it. They also seem to have problems coping with FEC changes on transponders necessitating a complete re install when this happens. Samsung had problems with dud capacitors, maybe fixed now. Why do I keep reading this on here? Care to tell me why (apart from maybe the Irish border) this is so important? Never once have I taken my TV on a foreign (or domestic) holiday with me.

12-12-2015, 08:59	#19
Nigel Goodwin Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Derbyshire Posts: 41,789	Quote: Originally Posted by lovedoctor1978 Why do I keep reading this on here? Care to tell me why (apart from maybe the Irish border) this is so important? It's one of Winston's crazy obsessions

12-12-2015, 09:11	#20
skinj Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,206	Quote: Originally Posted by AlanO But I'll bet your selling twice as many Samsung as Panasonic and Sony combined. Pretty much any sales figures in the public domain now have Samsung as the number 1 seller - I suspect in reality Vestel actual shift the most units overall when you consider how many different sets go out under different badges from them though. No, we sell 95% Panasonic TVs. The odd Linsar, Samsung, Sony, Hisense goes out too but we're know as a Panasonic seller& do the repairs for Panasonic too giving us the ability to look after people before & after they buy from us.

12-12-2015, 10:42	#21
fastest finger Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Heart of England. Posts: 8,633	Quote: Originally Posted by skinj No, we sell 95% Panasonic TVs. The odd Linsar, Samsung, Sony, Hisense goes out too but we're know as a Panasonic seller& do the repairs for Panasonic too giving us the ability to look after people before & after they buy from us. You're perhaps the man in the know - have you any experience of Panasonic's own refurbs? You can get a good deal on their 2015 models via their outlet store if you're willing to take a punt. Are they worth it?

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12-12-2015, 12:10	#22
1andrew1 Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,981	Sony KDL-32W705C. Rated 51% by Which? Pros: Decent HD picture quality, smart-TV apps, PVR feature, affordable price. Cons: Abysmal sound quality, SD picture could be better, smart TV not great to use, narrow viewing angle. By contrast: Samsung UE32H6200 Rated 76% by Which? Pros: Great picture quality, superb sound, excellent features. Cons: Smart TV not great to use with standard remote. Samsung UE32H6400 Rated 79% by Which? Pros: Great picture quality, decent sound, impressive smart TV and other features. Cons: Smart touch control could be easier to use. http://www.which.co.uk/reviews/telev...ow-we-test-tvs

12-12-2015, 13:49	#23
skinj Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,206	Quote: Originally Posted by fastest finger You're perhaps the man in the know - have you any experience of Panasonic's own refurbs? You can get a good deal on their 2015 models via their outlet store if you're willing to take a punt. Are they worth it? We've haven't taken any of the refurbs in for many years. Think from memory they were 28" tube TVs but they were all in good condition and we didn't get any above average faults with them.

12-12-2015, 16:26	#24
AlanO Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,902	Quote: Originally Posted by anthony david If you are buying a "smart" TV you may need a power line adaptor, Winston will advise you as to the best one to buy............. <Sniggers>

12-12-2015, 16:29	#25
AlanO Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,902	Quote: Originally Posted by fastest finger You're perhaps the man in the know - have you any experience of Panasonic's own refurbs? You can get a good deal on their 2015 models via their outlet store if you're willing to take a punt. Are they worth it? Not a TV, and I don't work in the trade, but I have bought a refurb from the Panasonic eBay store - a sound base. You wouldn't have known it wasn't new, came with all accessories bagged and had no sign of previous use. Delivered quickly by DPD. I'd have no concerns about buying from them again.