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humpty dumpty
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Pretzel:
“It's easy to get worried about your favourites and annoyed by unkind comments on blogs etc but don't forget that a large proportion of the voting viewers and public may not even know about this. Many viewers don't follow every iota of news online and a lot don't watch ITT.

I like Georgia and Giovanni but even I don't follow on twitter or anything like that, and may not have noticed the dance change were it not for DS, so perhaps we're giving it too much importance.

Unless the whole story is presented as a drama! on Saturday (al la Artems shoulder*eyeroll*) then most will just judge what they see on the night.”

I hope you're right. If the general public reflects what I read on there last night, it would be worrying.
Miriam_R
10-12-2015
That's a shame, not just because she really wanted to do it, but because it could have been a really big stamp (if the dance had gone well) that she deserved to be in the show. She's a good dancer from the last few weeks that we've seen, so I doubt her AT would ever be bad, but now we may never get to see it if she ends up bottom two again (as Katie and Anita appear more popular) and goes. Maybe she'll survive a BT against Kellie, but you never know. I'd prefer to see Georgia and Gio in final than Katie and Anton.
Nina_Blake
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“I hope you're right. If the general public reflects what I read on there last night, it would be worrying.”

To be honest, on any article on that blog...even ones totally unrelated to him, I only seem to see "Jay was so good last week".

Jesus, scared we'll forget he exists if he isn't mentioned for 5 minutes? I don't really bother scrolling down to comments anymore, lol.
poshnosh
10-12-2015
Slap a poultice on the affected area and I'm sure she will be fine!
Fred.
10-12-2015
Strictly on Saturday night has more than 10 million viewers and ITT around 2 million so most people won't know that Georgia's dance was changed.

Hope she gets better quickly

Hope whatever the cause of the change is easily solved.
humpty dumpty
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by shrinkingviolet:
“People love a conspiracy most years, but especially this year. Even one as flimsy as this, it seems. Everytime something happens, anything happens, people seem desperate to spin it as a fix/evidence that their fave/least fave is being screwed over/assisted.

It's not like GG got a new dance foisted onto them on Thursday. If TPTB (or the root of all evil to some people) were screwing them over (I mean seriously, it's ridiculous even typing it) why on earth would they announce the AT in the first place? GG are great - they can handle any dance, and if they had to change, it will have been their decision. No big deal or drama.”

I wish it wasn't a big deal or drama...but from what I've read theres another big conspiracy going on to get Georgia to the top (completely irrational) and as I said earlier, they're acting as if its some kind of criminal inquiry, where they want explanations and justice. Its not just crazy illogial drama though, its just mean at this stage in the competition, when all the celebs are trying their best, stressed out and some of them sick. Is it necessary?
Nina_Blake
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“I wish it wasn't a big deal or drama...but from what I've read theres another big conspiracy going on to get Georgia to the top (completely irrational) and as I said earlier, they're acting as if its some kind of criminal inquiry, where they want explanations and justice. Its not just crazy illogial drama though, its just mean at this stage in the competition, when all the celebs are trying their best, stressed out and some of them sick. Is it necessary?”

After the immaturity and mob-mentality of the public during the last "earth shaking controversy", the BBC probably can't be bothered to grace any decisions with a response anymore.
Pretzel
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“I hope you're right. If the general public reflects what I read on there last night, it would be worrying.”

Yeah but, I know what you mean and I'd love them to make the final, but the voting public are a funny animal.

They're the lot who would put Sergeant or Widdecombe in the final, who vote or voted for Anton 'cos he deserves it' (never mind that Katies dancing is good) or and I hate to say this 'cos I liked them, Kara and Artem 'cos it's a love story innit'. and maybe not so much for Helen 'cos she's a bit posh, seems standoffish and makes funny faces' and a lot more tenuous reasons all regardless of the actual dancing.

It is what it is., and the celebs pros and even the manipulating PTB can't always control that reaction.
humpty dumpty
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Nina_Blake:
“After the immaturity and mob-mentality of the public during the last "earth shaking controversy", the BBC probably can't be bothered to grace any decisions with a response anymore.”

True.

Originally Posted by Pretzel:
“Yeah but, I know what you mean and I'd love them to make the final, but the voting public are a funny animal.

They're the lot who would put Sergeant or Widdecombe in the final, who vote or voted for Anton 'cos he deserves it' (never mind that Katies dancing is good) or and I hate to say this 'cos I liked them, Kara and Artem 'cos it's a love story innit'. and maybe not so much for Helen 'cos she's a bit posh, seems standoffish and makes funny faces' and a lot more tenuous reasons all regardless of the actual dancing.

It is what it is., and the celebs pros and even the manipulating PTB can't always control that reaction.”

True!
Everlong Girl
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Fred.:
“Strictly on Saturday night has more than 10 million viewers and ITT around 2 million so most people won't know that Georgia's dance was changed.

Hope she gets better quickly

Hope whatever the cause of the change is easily solved.”

BIB - exactly. So unless it's covered on the main show because a) Georgia and/or Giovanni mention it or b) all the conspiracies of bias/sympathy/advantage blah blah blah etc gain a life of their own by then (and I mean bigger than just on forums etc) then a lot of people will remain unaware that they have even changed dance.
sydrob
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Everlong Girl:
“BIB - exactly. So unless it's covered on the main show because a) Georgia and/or Giovanni mention it or b) all the conspiracies of bias/sympathy/advantage blah blah blah etc gain a life of their own by then (and I mean bigger than just on forums etc) then a lot of people will remain unaware that they have even changed dance.”

there will also be a fair amount of people (i'm guessing in the millions) who don't check the BBC website, so have no idea what they are dancing anyway!!!
ruby-tuesday
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by VicsMum:
“We just have to remember these people are under contract and not everyone is like Jamelia who feels like burning all the bridges on her way out. We know it's a dream come true for Gio to be on Strictly, so I suppose he's looking forward to be back next year.”

and so are many other people, I think we should try to be positive, Giovanni is the best choreographer, imo, and was the Italian Latin champion in 2012 and Georgia is tougher than she looks, so I'm hoping they'll do two fantastic dances on Saturday and make it to the final
BMLisa
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Miriam_R:
“That's a shame, not just because she really wanted to do it, but because it could have been a really big stamp (if the dance had gone well) that she deserved to be in the show. She's a good dancer from the last few weeks that we've seen, so I doubt her AT would ever be bad, but now we may never get to see it if she ends up bottom two again (as Katie and Anita appear more popular) and goes. Maybe she'll survive a BT against Keller, but you never know. I'd prefer to see Georgia and Gio in final than Katie and Anton.”

I can't understand why she's getting grief about it. I haven't looked at the Strictly Site at all so didn't know this. That is stupid if people are moaning about it.

I wouldn't care if people changed their dance on Friday night. They all have to do all bar one dance.
VicsMum
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by BMLisa:
“I said "seems most likely" not definitely.

It's not a "huge disadvantage" if you change your dance before you start training which it looks like they did as they were practising it on Monday.

Jay didn't even start training his Charleston till Wednesday so if Aliona changed it on Tuesday night it would make no difference to training time, there would be the disappointment of him not doing a Charleston (which is fully understandable fromGG fans if you wanted to see an AT from GG, I admit I'd have liked to see it too)

It seems like you want them to be seen to be at a disadvantage when they more than likely aren't at all. They are doing a dance that Gio is an expert in and they evidently started it on Monday- The Same day as everyone else.

Don't forget J&A got only two hours with the AT experts and then Aliona had to do the rest. So it's hardly a huge disadvantage that Gio is teaching her a dance he is amazing himself at.”

It's not a matter of wanting them to be seen to be at a disadvantage, it's a matter of analysing the last events and observe them from a different perspective than yours.

As for the comparisons with Jay and Aliona they couldn't be more irrelevant. Every professional is different in their approach to teaching methodology, teaching times, and choreography.
If you are looking forward to do a specific dance and has to change to another it will throw you off a bit (or a lot), it doesn't matter when you started training.
VicsMum
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“I wish it wasn't a big deal or drama...but from what I've read theres another big conspiracy going on to get Georgia to the top (completely irrational) and as I said earlier, they're acting as if its some kind of criminal inquiry, where they want explanations and justice. Its not just crazy illogial drama though, its just mean at this stage in the competition, when all the celebs are trying their best, stressed out and some of them sick. Is it necessary?”

No, it's not necessary in the slightest. I would forget about that BBC blog Humpy, it's a pool of bile and venom and it has always been like that.

Originally Posted by Pretzel:
“Yeah but, I know what you mean and I'd love them to make the final, but the voting public are a funny animal.

They're the lot who would put Sergeant or Widdecombe in the final, who vote or voted for Anton 'cos he deserves it' (never mind that Katies dancing is good) or and I hate to say this 'cos I liked them, Kara and Artem 'cos it's a love story innit'. and maybe not so much for Helen 'cos she's a bit posh, seems standoffish and makes funny faces' and a lot more tenuous reasons all regardless of the actual dancing.

It is what it is., and the celebs pros and even the manipulating PTB can't always control that reaction.”

Please don't get me started on this "Year of the Anton" thing; it's simply insulting to Katie

Originally Posted by ruby-tuesday:
“and so are many other people, I think we should try to be positive, Giovanni is the best choreographer, imo, and was the Italian Latin champion in 2012 and Georgia is tougher than she looks, so I'm hoping they'll do two fantastic dances on Saturday and make it to the final”

Yes Ruby, upwards and onwards!
poshnosh
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Nina_Blake:
“After the immaturity and mob-mentality of the public during the last "earth shaking controversy", the BBC probably can't be bothered to grace any decisions with a response anymore.”

I can just imagine TPTB wheeling Len out on ITT wearing scrubs and with a stethoscope round his neck to give a full diagnosis of Georgia's illness/injury as justification of why her dance was changed.

She's changed from AT to Char, Char and I can't see what the issue is. Unfortunately after the Peter v Jamelia danceoffgate I suppose many will see conspiracy at any thing that happens out of the ordinary.

Heaven knows what the reaction will be if Katie/Anita pips Jay to the glitter ball!.
BMLisa
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by poshnosh:
“I can just imagine TPTB wheeling Len out on ITT wearing scrubs and with a stethoscope round his neck to give a full diagnosis of Georgia's illness/injury as justification of why her dance was changed.

She's changed from AT to Char, Char and I can't see what the issue is. Unfortunately after the Peter v Jamelia danceoffgate I suppose many will see conspiracy at any thing that happens out of the ordinary.

Heaven knows what the reaction will be if Katie/Anita pips Jay to the glitter ball!.”

But she's not even the first one to change it this series?

Weird.

Anyway as others have said most people won't even know she's changed her dance.
Everlong Girl
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by poshnosh:
“I can just imagine TPTB wheeling Len out on ITT wearing scrubs and with a stethoscope round his neck to give a full diagnosis of Georgia's illness/injury as justification of why her dance was changed.

She's changed from AT to Char, Char and I can't see what the issue is. Unfortunately after the Peter v Jamelia danceoffgate I suppose many will see conspiracy at any thing that happens out of the ordinary.

Heaven knows what the reaction will be if Katie/Anita pips Jay to the glitter ball!.”

BIB or Georgia or Kellie I imagine there would be calls for people's heads, general mass anarchy, protests, guy burnings, petitions etc all would be totally uncalled for as at the end of the day it's just a TV show.
VicsMum
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by poshnosh:
“
Heaven knows what the reaction will be if Katie/Anita pips Jay to the glitter ball!.”

Well, I can but dream
humpty dumpty
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by poshnosh:
“I can just imagine TPTB wheeling Len out on ITT wearing scrubs and with a stethoscope round his neck to give a full diagnosis of Georgia's illness/injury as justification of why her dance was changed.”


Closer to the truth than you think! A few were asking if her illness had actually been confirmed ...or if people were just taking her word for it because she posted she was ill on twitter.

They seem very close to demanding as a right her medical certificate and details of the doctors diagnosis
Dervlathedog
10-12-2015
Maybe they were dancing Cha Cha all along and Gio's accent has misled everyone
Dervlathedog
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“Closer to the truth than you think! A few were asking if her illness had actually been confirmed or if people were just taking her word for it because she posted she was ill on twitter.

They seem very close to demanding as a right her medical certificate and details of the doctors diagnosis”

Let's hope she sends them a stool sample
edy10
10-12-2015
This is why some contestants over the years dont even choose to disclose it when they are feeling ill. People are so cynical. It's like dammed if you do, dammed if you dont.
I have just been to the bbc blog and goodness me ...the conspiracies theories are in full force.
Nina_Blake
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by Dervlathedog:
“Maybe they were dancing Cha Cha all along and Gio's accent has misled everyone”

Perhaps he actually said "I loathe the Argentine Tango, and would never dreaming of inflicting such horror on my partner."
Everlong Girl
10-12-2015
Originally Posted by edy10:
“This is why some contestants over the years dont even choose to disclose it when they are feeling ill. People are so cynical. It's like dammed if you do, dammed if you dont.
I have just been to the bbc blog and goodness me ...the conspiracies theories are in full force.”

BIBOh no edy you don't want to be going over there.
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