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Vana should have gone...too much oil!
Brett was robbed Vana should have gone as it was her who chose to override the recommended 50n ml oil and used 150 ml. I cannot understand why Brett didn't bring her back in the boardroom
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Brett was robbed Vana should have gone as it was her who chose to override the recommended 50n ml oil and used 150 ml. I cannot understand why Brett didn't bring her back in the boardroom
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Brett was robbed Vana should have gone as it was her who chose to override the recommended 50n ml oil and used 150 ml. I cannot understand why Brett didn't bring her back in the boardroom
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The oil was a bad mistake, but I don't think it should be a fire-able offence.
Doing a bad pitch and messing up the packaging are worse IMO |
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It does baffle me why she did that. It was completely unnecessary and she even had Brett constantly pointing out to her not to over-do it. Felt completely out-of-character from how she's been in almost every other task.
However, one slip up (even if it was a costly one) shouldn't rule Vana out when she is still clearly the most capable of the 5 remaining. |
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She has Greek heritage and as such is a bit immune to olive oil, but it would of been in a proper project a simple thing to of fixed in development, the other teams bland bar packaging would of been of more a worry especially as it was aimed at everyone yet could of been eaten by a 14 year old as it improved fertility (who needs extra fertile 14 year olds???)
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It does baffle me why she did that. It was completely unnecessary and she even had Brett constantly pointing out to her not to over-do it. Felt completely out-of-character from how she's been in almost every other task.
However, one slip up (even if it was a costly one) shouldn't rule Vana out when she is still clearly the most capable of the 5 remaining. |
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The oil was a bad mistake, but I don't think it should be a fire-able offence.
Doing a bad pitch and messing up the packaging are worse IMO |
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I didn't like this task at all, I did enjoy the boardroom tho, but the task was awfully boring and cringey. All of them did mistakes, but not because they were incompetent but because there were only 3 ppl in the team to do everything. All was rushed, package and recipes all was done in a rush and could've been easily solved with a bit more of extra time.
Not the best task to set right before the interviews. |
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I didn't like this task at all, I did enjoy the boardroom tho, but the task was awfully boring and cringey. All of them did mistakes, but not because they were incompetent but because there were only 3 ppl in the team to do everything. All was rushed, package and recipes all was done in a rush and could've been easily solved with a bit more of extra time.
Not the best task to set right before the interviews. |
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Lord Sugar manipulated that.
Brett would have brought back Vana. It wasn't until Lord Sugar had a go at Richard that Brett even thought about Richard as being responsible. Brett brought back Richard soley because of Lord Sugar's intervention. Vana was responsible for the crisps being oily and should have been brought back. |
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The oil was a bad mistake, but I don't think it should be a fire-able offence.
Doing a bad pitch and messing up the packaging are worse IMO The clients aren't going to invest in a soggy 'crisp' no matter how much the pitchers try to spin things. |
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I disagree .I find her the most superior female in the process this year.
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I disagree. I don't know how the buying process worked on this particular task but it seemed like the other two flavours went down well enough, couldn't the buyers have just ordered the specific flavours without ordering any of the oily ones?
Even if the order had to include those, with the packaging being clear I think they probably would have got some orders as the idea was a good one and the execution, barring the oil slick disaster, is something I could see people buying. The bigger mistake was Richard screwing up with the marketing side, that's what most of the buyers seemed to be more annoyed about anyway. |
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I didn't like this task at all, I did enjoy the boardroom tho, but the task was awfully boring and cringey. All of them did mistakes, but not because they were incompetent but because there were only 3 ppl in the team to do everything. All was rushed, package and recipes all was done in a rush and could've been easily solved with a bit more of extra time.
Not the best task to set right before the interviews. |
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I think it was wise of LS to not let the cock ups in the kitchen be a firing cause in the task. It's not really a great chef he's after.
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I didn't like this task at all, I did enjoy the boardroom tho, but the task was awfully boring and cringey. All of them did mistakes, but not because they were incompetent but because there were only 3 ppl in the team to do everything. All was rushed, package and recipes all was done in a rush and could've been easily solved with a bit more of extra time.
Not the best task to set right before the interviews. The other problem with the way the task was structured (as is often the case on The Apprentice) is that market research came too late to influence product, packaging or branding. |
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Vana was trying to boost the taste of olive oil when she added three times too much, clearly forgetting that it wasn't just taste she was adding.
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Bad pitching, presentation, management skills being the 3rd sub ordinate in line inspite of being a PM, is a much more valid reason to be fired. Fair decision, Brett was not going to go far, he is very limited has a very small thought process isn't malleable enough. He had to go, but a decent guy though
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To be fair that's the one thing I don't like about these tasks. There's not a single product in H&B (for example) that was literally made up the day before. Products require research, skills, trial and error, packaging made up AFTER THE product has been finalised etc. Then weeks later after testing THEN you can pitch it to retailers.
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I don't agree. It's not a cookery competition. The ability to see the key selling point of a product and present that well in the pitch is something they're going to need later in life. Being able to make up a recipe in half a day that isn't a direct copy of something and is delicious is impossible. They could say that there would be less oil in the real thing. Taking 'raw' off the packaging was a bigger mistake. Talking gobbledegook in the pitch as Brett did was a much more general weakness.
And they were all given a chance to tell LS what they'd done in all the tasks, so it was clear Brett's firing wasn't just for this task. Personally I think LS should have decided which team had done the better job going on the packaging and the product (imo Brett's team) and brought the other team back and fired one of them. But once he decided not to do that, and to get them to all speak up for themselves generally, for me it was Brett or Gary. |
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Clearly Brett should have chosen Vana because she was headstrong and ruined any chances they had of producing a passable product. Basically the product was way too oily and just couldn't be handled (that oil will transfer to clothing etc) and turned the dehydrated "crisp" into soggy, oily strips of raw vegetable - basically the water they removed was replaced with oil - so they were trying to sell oily strips of raw vegetable.
Brett was stupid in calling Richard back in - when he in fact defended Richard and hence the focus on the failure fell on to Brett. Charlene as project manager failed to recognise the importance of having two people in developing the actual product - she wasn't able to do it properly, she panicked, she didn't really know what she was doing, she was unable to communicate the ingredients to the packaging team, and she didn't put enough anti-oxidant agent into the product. The two that should have been fired were Charlene for poor project management and Vana for ruining the product against the wishes of the project manager Brett. |
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It did seem unfair that the team that made a better product, better packaging, in general better pitching, and generally came up with something different, lost.
There were no redeeming features to the other team, rubbish branding, crap product both in taste and looks, they lied or at least manipulated the benefits of the product, failed to get all the ingredients on the packaging and then had to mark out miss leading features of the product on the packaging, funny how Karen has twice called Brett out on being misleading, but last night it was all but forgotten, and they couldn't even pronounce the ingredients, something of which Karen made a big deal of last week about Richard, but was glossed over this week. But because one person made an error in the packaging, LAS sacks the PM for standing by the guy, because at the end of the day he wouldn't drop the person in it, Richard's design was good, just needed a few tweaks. Seemed to me they were gunning for Richard, but when Brett wouldn't allow it they went for Brett. Total respect to Brett. |
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I disagree. I don't know how the buying process worked on this particular task but it seemed like the other two flavours went down well enough, couldn't the buyers have just ordered the specific flavours without ordering any of the oily ones?
Even if the order had to include those, with the packaging being clear I think they probably would have got some orders as the idea was a good one and the execution, barring the oil slick disaster, is something I could see people buying. The bigger mistake was Richard screwing up with the marketing side, that's what most of the buyers seemed to be more annoyed about anyway. |
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The task was too rushed. 3 days would have been better suited for this task.
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