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Weird Editing - Richard brought in by Brett?
Seemed odd to me that Brett went out of his way to praise Richard in the task, even with LAS telling him that Richard was accountable for the packaging, yet, Brett still brought him into the BR, despite Vana being massively at fault for the overuse of Olive Oil - Why didn't Brett bring in Vana?
I also thought there was a strange jump cut when Sugar asked Brett who he was bringing in, like he might have said Vana and was then told he has to bring in Richard, to guarantee a woman in the final five in case Charleine was fired maybe? |
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Seemed odd to me that Brett went out of his way to praise Richard in the task, even with LAS telling him that Richard was accountable for the packaging, yet, Brett still brought him into the BR, despite Vana being massively at fault for the overuse of Olive Oil - Why didn't Brett bring in Vana?
I also thought there was a strange jump cut when Sugar asked Brett who he was bringing in, like he might have said Vana and was then told he has to bring in Richard, to guarantee a woman in the final five in case Charleine was fired maybe? |
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Seemed odd to me that Brett went out of his way to praise Richard in the task, even with LAS telling him that Richard was accountable for the packaging, yet, Brett still brought him into the BR, despite Vana being massively at fault for the overuse of Olive Oil - Why didn't Brett bring in Vana?
I also thought there was a strange jump cut when Sugar asked Brett who he was bringing in, like he might have said Vana and was then told he has to bring in Richard, to guarantee a woman in the final five in case Charleine was fired maybe? We've seen Sugar do this before - he indicates who he thinks is mainly responsible and gets very tetchy if the PM ignores that and brings back someone else. |
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BIB: Because despite what Brett may have thought about the packaging (and to be honest apart from missing out the raw / dehydrated product detail the design of the packaging was pretty good) Sugar had made it very clear that he thought Richard had made a massive mistake in not including those details. Once Sugar had made that clear Brett really had to bring Richard back.
We've seen Sugar do this before - he indicates who he thinks is mainly responsible and gets very tetchy if the PM ignores that and brings back someone else. |
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But LAS was ok, with misleading and dam right lies on the packaging by the other team. Last nights show was a farce and clearly fixed.
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If Brett had bought Vana back in he was a sure fire goner as they worked together and as PM he would carry the can. By bringing Richard in Brett would have been hoping that the omission of the word RAW on the packaging would have given him a better chance of staying in.
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If Brett had bought Vana back in he was a sure fire goner as they worked together and as PM he would carry the can. By bringing Richard in Brett would have been hoping that the omission of the word RAW on the packaging would have given him a better chance of staying in.
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yes looked like LS was gunning for Brett who was on the better team imo
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So Brett is responsible for Vana's actions equally as he is for Richard's,,,meaning that he was going to fired no matter what.
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I think that Richard has performed well throughout, so Sugar engineered it for him to be brought back. Possibly a sign that Richard won't make the final 2?
Although his reason for not wanting to put the word 'raw' on the packaging seemed pretty valid to me, but Sugar had a different opinion (and then maintained that his opinion is fact - like all megalomaniacs would!). |
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^^ Agree "Raw" is quite an unpleasant word to see on a snack product, had they had more time, I'm sure they could of come up with a work-around.
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I think that Richard has performed well throughout, so Sugar engineered it for him to be brought back. Possibly a sign that Richard won't make the final 2?
Although his reason for not wanting to put the word 'raw' on the packaging seemed pretty valid to me, but Sugar had a different opinion (and then maintained that his opinion is fact - like all megalomaniacs would!). That said Richard did other things well and arguably was overall the best of the bad bunch last night, despite that one error. I agree with you about Sugar's attitude to it. Brett was basically saying that while Richard was not perfect he did well. Sugar was saying "OK Brett you are saying your opinion but I am saying mine so you should realize my opinion is all that counts. Why are you not changing your views when I am telling you to?". I reckon working with him would be more of the same. Yes sir, Yes sir. I am not sure going into business with him is much of a prize really. |
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Yes sir, Yes sir. I am not sure going into business with him is much of a prize really.
Lord Sugar is paying £250,000 for half the company -- a company which has no record, no assets and no actual existence. The Dragons wouldn't even be tempted by what is just an idea, an aspiration and a business plan; I do not think the Dragons have ever invested that much even in a going concern. So yes, it is a good prize. |
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It's a very good prize, add in LAS's name on your letterheads, the doors he'll be able to open, and the prize money probably equates to a million.
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Compare it with Dragons Den. In both programmes, the winners get a business mentor who's been there, done it and bought the tee-shirt., but what about the cash?
Lord Sugar is paying £250,000 for half the company -- a company which has no record, no assets and no actual existence. The Dragons wouldn't even be tempted by what is just an idea, an aspiration and a business plan; I do not think the Dragons have ever invested that much even in a going concern. So yes, it is a good prize. ) Sugar. That does not sound like the best option an up and coming businessperson with a great business plan could get.Incidentally if I was wanting to start a business and Sugar said "OK we will do it 50/50 and here is 250k" I "might" not refuse it, whatever I think of him. ![]()
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Nope, because the decision to remove the word RAW was a unilateral decision on Richard's part, which he didn't share with the rest of the team until it was too late.
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But is that the reason they didn't win the task? I'd say the horrid oily nature of the product was more of a reason.
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I'm not denying he made A mistake, I just don't think that was the overriding mistake, and the other team had made bad packaging errors too but it didn't seem such an issue for them
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I'm not denying he made A mistake, I just don't think that was the overriding mistake, and the other team had made bad packaging errors too but it didn't seem such an issue for them
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Richard was never getting fired, Sugar just wanted to test him under BR pressure...that's a compliment as it means he has been totally consistent throughout the series.
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Sugar will often play devil's advocate - he wants to see individuals argue their cause and will give anyone a good kicking if they allow themselves to be kicked. He also wanted to take Richard down a peg or two to make him realise he doesn't want vanity getting in the way of business. But Sugar saved Richard anyway. Brett should have explained why he was bringing Vana back rather than Richard - but Brett got tied up in knots and paid the price.
As was shown in this episode Brett despite being project manager actually found himself third in the pecking order - with Vana totally taking over in the production process and totally overruling Brett and then ruining the product by smothering the raw product in oil. |
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Richard was never getting fired, Sugar just wanted to test him under BR pressure...that's a compliment as it means he has been totally consistent throughout the series.
The truth in the end though is that it is all about the business plan anyway. You could be easily the best during all the tasks but lose out due to a bad plan, or be awful through the tasks and still win due to a great plan. They need the viewers, however, to think that how they have performed is relevant (or more so than it really is) so that they can speculate about who should win etc. Until we hear their plans it is actually impossible to judge. |
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From the clip of next weeks episode it looks like Richard's Business Plan is pants anyway.
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This is not Masterchef but both women messed up the cooking. Does it matter?
Not in itself, perhaps but Charleine and Vana blundered in different ways, both of which might be important for anyone going into business with them. Charleine was throwing ingredients around without weighing them. This meant her team could not list the ingredients on the wrapper, and Charleine herself did not realise she'd not realise she'd not included enough of the key ingredients to justify the claims on the label. But Charleine was PM. She elected to be chef, with no assistance, despite knowing she was no Gordon Ramsay. It is the same hubris as when she sidelined Richard to pitch to trade herself, with predictably poor results. That would worry me as an investor. Vana was following a recipe that called for 50ml olive oil. She unilaterally trebled it. I understand her impulse was to intensify the flavour but if she'd only asked or even thought about it for more than a second, she'd have realised the crucial difference between using a more concentrated oil and using three times as much as the one she'd got in her hand. It brings to mind her poor decisions on the buying task. But to bring this back on topic, Richard left the USP off the packet, and again he's got form for this sort of thing, as when he ignored Selina's purchase order in the party task (of course, he was right in that case but it was the way he did it). |
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Putting raw on a label suggests "contains germs". Dehydrated was the word to use except all the water was replaced with soppy oil. You just couldn't eat raw slices of vegetable soaking in oil - the oil gets everywhere - on your hands, on your cloths, on your keyboard - it turned the product into complete .... Lord Sugar laughed when he saw the product: raw red onion soaked in oil. He was incredulous.
It was all about product development and the product produced was unsellable. The soggy oily raw vegetables were unsellable - the original idea which I think was Brett's however was excellent. Charleine just managed the project into disaster. |
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) Sugar. That does not sound like the best option an up and coming businessperson with a great business plan could get.