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Old 12-12-2015, 18:29
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I was watching the BBC Music Awards, and seen Adele won Artist Of The Year.

She beat the likes of Florence and the Machine, who also had a number 1 album both sides of the water throughout 2015 and a headline slot at Glastonbury.. Completely snubbed.

Adele is great, but she's only been back 3 weeks - 1 month. And I know she's achieved a lot in those weeks. But does anyone else now stand a chance against her?

And before people start with the 'She's done better, she deserved the award'.. Well she's done better than every artist out their today, does that mean she should win each award she is now up for?
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Old 12-12-2015, 21:29
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Perhaps we'll see more up-and-coming female singers get marketed as "the next Adele" or being pushed as a similar singer to her, riding the wave of her popularity?
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Old 12-12-2015, 22:59
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Unfortunately people are sheep, and while ever these people are about, average artists like Adele will always be popular.
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Old 12-12-2015, 23:28
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Old 13-12-2015, 00:39
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Unfortunately people are sheep, and while ever these people are about, average artists like Adele will always be popular.

Idiotic comment. Have you for once considered the fact that Adele is releasing music people actually want to buy? Perhaps you could have a pep talk with your favourite artist about this? It's an oft-quoted excuse when someone's favourite artist sells poorly that it's the industry's problem right now. Err, no. Adele is selling like it's 2000 all over again so why can't your favourite?
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Old 13-12-2015, 07:24
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somehow adele doesnt work for me.... i understand why some like her - but imho shes way overrated . maybe its modern marketing, but she seems more like a product then an artist.

its not 'the return' of adele other artists should 'fear' so much as the grip big corporations have on the music business.
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Old 13-12-2015, 08:40
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I was watching the BBC Music Awards, and seen Adele won Artist Of The Year.

She beat the likes of Florence and the Machine, who also had a number 1 album both sides of the water throughout 2015 and a headline slot at Glastonbury.. Completely snubbed.

Adele is great, but she's only been back 3 weeks - 1 month. And I know she's achieved a lot in those weeks. But does anyone else now stand a chance against her?

And before people start with the 'She's done better, she deserved the award'.. Well she's done better than every artist out their today, does that mean she should win each award she is now up for?
Adele won Best British Artist at the Awards and that's fair enough. The Live Award was a little stretched as Adele's Live performance was in front of a live studio audience whereas Florence played Glastonbury...a bit more of a challenge. Adele was pretty flawless nonetheless. If it's just about other female artists not winning awards then Adele probably will win them all. She did last time. And as for sales...

Adele's sales dwarf everyone else not just female artists, so does it really make much difference? Jess Glynne's album has hung around the charts, so has Florence, are these artists selling any less because of Adele? Adele is selling to an audience other artists don't reach. Maybe she will expand the market a bit? But if the Adele is a unique artist theory holds true that isn"t going to happen.
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Old 13-12-2015, 08:51
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somehow adele doesnt work for me.... i understand why some like her - but imho shes way overrated . maybe its modern marketing, but she seems more like a product then an artist.

its not 'the return' of adele other artists should 'fear' so much as the grip big corporations have on the music business.
The industry has been in charge for a while and I'm not sure the biz really has an adequate explanation for Adele's success and their role in it. Yes, she has been marketed as an alternative to the over sexualised or knowing artists females like Rihanna or Miley, which means she appeals to a large female audience, others can't reach but as Tom Jones would say, she is also 'a singer's singer'.

Adele's '25' appears near the top of many the best albums of the year lists as well. Musically, she is something like a modern Dusty Springfield if a little less mysterious.
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Old 13-12-2015, 10:16
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i thought people argued that Adele's buyers don't buy any other music, so in that sense her sales should have no impact on anyone else's

And good luck to the labels trying to find the next Adele, cos it won't happen

as for awards i'd recommend fans of all artists adopt a very healthy who gives a **** about that sort of nonsense, whether they win or don't
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Old 13-12-2015, 11:33
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i thought people argued that Adele's buyers don't buy any other music, so in that sense her sales should have no impact on anyone else's

And good luck to the labels trying to find the next Adele, cos it won't happen

as for awards i'd recommend fans of all artists adopt a very healthy who gives a **** about that sort of nonsense, whether they win or don't
Is the argument not that Adele reaches an audience in addition to the normal record buying public which others don't reach......yet?!

Also, Awards ceremonies (Brits 2011, Grammys 2012) were fairly important in the sales of '21', so Adele probably takes them seriously.
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Old 13-12-2015, 13:07
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Idiotic comment. Have you for once considered the fact that Adele is releasing music people actually want to buy? Perhaps you could have a pep talk with your favourite artist about this? It's an oft-quoted excuse when someone's favourite artist sells poorly that it's the industry's problem right now. Err, no. Adele is selling like it's 2000 all over again so why can't your favourite?
Ha, this fella never fails to deliver. This is exactly what I was parodying in the Bieber thread .
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Old 13-12-2015, 13:10
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Is the argument not that Adele reaches an audience in addition to the normal record buying public which others don't reach......yet?!

Also, Awards ceremonies (Brits 2011, Grammys 2012) were fairly important in the sales of '21', so Adele probably takes them seriously.
the grammy's and also the Mercury prize aren't too bad, as they are at least attempting to award the music. The number of brits 1direction have won tells you all you need to know about those, as for these new BBc awards...it's just a viewers grabbing exercise.

The artists might benefit from em, but music lovers shouldn't take thst sort of thing seriously
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Old 13-12-2015, 14:03
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Personally I think the BBC Music Awards have just tried to get one over The Brit Awards by being the first to give Adele any awards for her new album.

If you look at the Grammies 2016 Adele, iirc, hasn't received a single nomination because her album was released after the cut off point.

It's a bit like that disaster called Record Of The Year broadcast on ITV in the late 90s. In 2000 Westlife won the **ahem** prestigious award for My Love - a song that had been in the charts for two weeks. So much for being "record of the year", eh?

So to an extent I'm inclined to agree, Adele winning artist of the year for dominating the last 2 months of 2015 should've been weighted against those who have been successful throughout the whole year.
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Old 13-12-2015, 17:30
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I guess the fact Adele most likely snubbed itv in favour of the BBC for the one hour special (who can forget poor old James Corden having to cut her Brits speech short so Blur could start their awful racket) would have helped in the selection process But the Beeb were between a rock and a hard place. Give it to her and people would be arguing that given her short time active she didn't deserve it. Don't give it to her and people would ask why the biggest music artist on the planet right now (and by such a huge margin it's actually silly) had been snubbed.
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Old 13-12-2015, 18:39
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As long as none of them are expecting to be as massive (figuratively..) as Adele then yes. There have been many other successful British female popstars alongside Adele (Emeli Sande, Florence, Elle Goulding, Jesse J etc.). If anything, Adele has given them all a boost. I am sure record labels want to replicate Adele's success but they also don't want an exact carbon copy of Adele. But it will probably mean taking chances on more female musicians than they would otherwise.
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Old 13-12-2015, 18:47
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Old 13-12-2015, 21:22
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As long as none of them are expecting to be as massive (figuratively..) as Adele then yes. There have been many other successful British female popstars alongside Adele (Emeli Sande, Florence, Elle Goulding, Jesse J etc.). If anything, Adele has given them all a boost. I am sure record labels want to replicate Adele's success but they also don't want an exact carbon copy of Adele. But it will probably mean taking chances on more female musicians than they would otherwise.
I would agree. Emeli Sandi was flavour of the season not long ago. And you can't copy Adele very easily.

I would like a bit more from Kate Bush myself, a real visionary. Kate used to win so many of those Awards when there really were very few credible female artists.
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Old 13-12-2015, 22:20
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PJ Harvey released Let England shake in the same year Adele released 21, and it was named album of the year by 16 publications, plus she won the Mercury prize that year for a second time. I think long established artists who are in a different genre will be fine, it's Adele's contemporary's that struggle against her.

In terms of pop singers, I'm all about Marina and the Diamonds, love her. She tends to get nominated for awards but rarely wins.
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Old 13-12-2015, 22:28
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Adele has kept a good sound to be fair. All the other British female artists around have tried lots of different genres and kind of just blended in. Also they'll appear on anything to try stay noticed where Adele doesn't seem to have to do much.
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Old 14-12-2015, 09:17
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The industry has been in charge for a while and I'm not sure the biz really has an adequate explanation for Adele's success and their role in it. Yes, she has been marketed as an alternative to the over sexualised or knowing artists females like Rihanna or Miley, which means she appeals to a large female audience, others can't reach but as Tom Jones would say, she is also 'a singer's singer'.

Adele's '25' appears near the top of many the best albums of the year lists as well. Musically, she is something like a modern Dusty Springfield if a little less mysterious.
the industry has always had a say - true - but (as ive said before) the industry used to back artists whereas now they appear to create them.

and thats why theres no comparison between adele and dusty. dusty was an artist who had a passion about singing borne out of her love of black american female artists (a big motown fan). adele is a woman how found she could sing well, but never comes across as someone whos singing out of a passion for it in the same way dusty did. oh i know theres statistics floating around that can 'prove' various points, how big, good, creative, adele is. but imho she leaves me cold. im unconvinced shes anything more then a corporate product.
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Old 14-12-2015, 13:01
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the industry has always had a say - true - but (as ive said before) the industry used to back artists whereas now they appear to create them.

and thats why theres no comparison between adele and dusty. dusty was an artist who had a passion about singing borne out of her love of black american female artists (a big motown fan). adele is a woman how found she could sing well, but never comes across as someone whos singing out of a passion for it in the same way dusty did. oh i know theres statistics floating around that can 'prove' various points, how big, good, creative, adele is. but imho she leaves me cold. im unconvinced shes anything more then a corporate product.
hmmm i think you may be romanticising the past a bit there. Artists were every bit as pressured by corporate types to do things against their better judgement then as now. The Dusty in memphis album was where her heart was, and though it sounds like an obvious classic to us now it did nowt at the time. I bet anything for the most she was given more poppy stuff to sing than she really wanted. It's a bit like Tom Jones, it's only in his last 3 albums that he's recorded the music he says he always wanted to make.

Let's also remember Dusty was a woman with her own TV show, i'm trying to imagine the shit that would get thrown at someone like Adele if she did such a thing, lets just say the chances of her being taken seriously as an artist are zero.

We afford artists of the past far greater licence than those of the present, that's just the way it goes.
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Old 14-12-2015, 13:28
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For me whilst I do enjoy Adele her music is basic at best, that isn't to discredit it, as for the most it taps in to an innate part of human nature hence why she sells. That said she isn't the best we have but undoubtedly will be showered with every award there can be leaving other British females unrecognised in that sense if not any the less successful.

Florence luckily for instance will have her shot at the Grammy's this year holding her in good stead against the Adele tirade so all isn't lost for the others. Just a bit shit up until around 2017 .

In terms of allowing future Brit females to succeed it will be a similar thing as to what happened with Amy Winehouse (and to a lesser exten Lily Allen) Her successes allowed record companies to take a chance on other retro inspired females including yes Adele. So likewise in wanting to replicate that success, sound and appeal many more young women may yet get their shot at stardom.
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Old 14-12-2015, 14:29
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hmmm i think you may be romanticising the past a bit there. Artists were every bit as pressured by corporate types to do things against their better judgement then as now. The Dusty in memphis album was where her heart was, and though it sounds like an obvious classic to us now it did nowt at the time. I bet anything for the most she was given more poppy stuff to sing than she really wanted. It's a bit like Tom Jones, it's only in his last 3 albums that he's recorded the music he says he always wanted to make.

Let's also remember Dusty was a woman with her own TV show, i'm trying to imagine the shit that would get thrown at someone like Adele if she did such a thing, lets just say the chances of her being taken seriously as an artist are zero.

We afford artists of the past far greater licence than those of the present, that's just the way it goes.
100% agree. You only have to look on this forum to realise that some people have an attitude that nothing of the present can ever be as good as what happened in the past and it's actually nonsense. And your point about Dusty and her TV show is 100% on point. Just imagine the carnage on here if we had The Adele Show on Saturday night prime time
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Old 14-12-2015, 14:55
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the industry has always had a say - true - but (as ive said before) the industry used to back artists whereas now they appear to create them.

and thats why theres no comparison between adele and dusty. dusty was an artist who had a passion about singing borne out of her love of black american female artists (a big motown fan). adele is a woman how found she could sing well, but never comes across as someone whos singing out of a passion for it in the same way dusty did. oh i know theres statistics floating around that can 'prove' various points, how big, good, creative, adele is. but imho she leaves me cold. im unconvinced shes anything more then a corporate product.
She got her break via Myspace and has been signed to an independent label her whole career (XL) no matter how much money the majors have waved in her face.
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Old 14-12-2015, 16:00
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She got her break via Myspace and has been signed to an independent label her whole career (XL) no matter how much money the majors have waved in her face.

Don't you come here with your facts, ruining the nayayers' best laid plans to discredit her success . I'm assuming they don't know who she's signed to or indeed how she got signed otherwise they could be accused of telling untruths. And that wouldn't be good .

PS Another fact to chuck in to the mix - she's turned down countless millions (some estimates suggest as much as £80 million) that were offered to her to promote products ranging from cosmetics to cars. She's all about the music....
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