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Lets not forget Georgia
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Jennifer_F
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“Yeah she should have totally wasted the training time she had left arguing with the producers over something so trivial just to please DS members.

How many times have we got told Kellie's can't train as much because of Eastenders or Anita has no dance background or Jay suffers from nerves. Yet Georgia mentions she's sick one week and suddenly it's crime to do or say anything that might get you even one or two 'sympathy votes'.”

I daresay that over the course of a week, the celebs are interviewed many times in front of the camera's at different times, asked different questions, asked for their points of view. The celebs don't have any say in the final edit, the Producers will always edit how they want to and show what they want to.
BeeBumble
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“Or she could have spent the training time .. er ... training instead of filming a "doctor" giving her the diagnosis?”

And you think the producers would just let that go. No they'll just have got them to do something else stupid wasting more time.

Honestly, would you bother arguing with your boss over something trivial just because DS babies wanted you to?
Lou_Black
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“And you think the producers would just let that go. No they'll just have got them to do something else stupid wasting more time.

Honestly, would you bother arguing with your boss over something trivial just because DS babies wanted you to?”


Who are the DS babies?
humpty dumpty
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by BeeBumble:
“Yeah she should have totally wasted the training time she had left arguing with the producers over something so trivial just to please DS members.

How many times have we got told Kellie's can't train as much because of Eastenders or Anita has no dance background or Jay suffers from nerves. Yet Georgia mentions she's sick one week and suddenly it's crime to do or say anything that might get you even one or two 'sympathy votes'.”

Quite. And unlike most other celebs and their stories that have been a running theme, this is the first time for Georgia where an issue that could effect their perfomance has been mentioned. They always focus on something as you've shown with your examples with the rest - and given the fact there was nothing going on with them that week apart from being sick and only having 2 days training it was a pretty obvious choice. Never mind the hoo-ha that had been going on with those batshit viewers on other sites leading up to it, where they were coming close to demanding a trial for Georgia to uncover 'the truth' and felt they were owed 'explanations' as to what was going on.

The biggest irony is the fact that those voting for Georgia are least likely to be voting for reasons other than her dancing, great routines and feeling she deserves a place in the final because of her hard work and consistency since the start. She didn't start off with a huge fanbase who were going to vote for her regardless, or were on a mission to get her pro partner to the final, or voted because they didn't like a judges comment to her etc etc shes won over peoples votes for the right reasons, if you want to still consider it a dance competition.

I have every confidence in her to go and smash the dances in the final because of the consistency shes shown throughout the show (in terms of talent and hard work) and prove that sympathy should be one of the last reasons you're voting for her. Can't believe people are STILL going on about a VT.
MACTOWIN
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“The "doctor" giving his diagnosis in the training room slapped of sympathy vote desperation. As has been said upthread, Jay missed a day of training to go to his grandfather's funeral and asked for zero mention/fuss to be made about it. I've lost some respect for Georgia on this one.”

Unbelievable. Do you think she edits the show. Why do you not just say you don't like her and leave it at that rather than have cheap shots.
Lou_Black
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“Unbelievable. Do you think she edits the show. Why do you not just say you don't like her and leave it at that rather than have cheap shots.”

Do you think she was forced to act out the patient/doctor scenario in the training room?

(On another note, I realise we all have our favourites but it's really tiresome to be unable to make a criticism about a celebrity without a fan firing out accusations of hatred etc. Yawn.)
fatskia
15-12-2015
If Jay doesn't win, Georgia is the likely winner.

They have a great Charleston. I think she can do a great Showdance and Giovanni may be able to judge that correctly and show her to her best.

They have great chemistry and are a very attractive team, and that is a big part of winning.

If the judges give them the right dance, Georgia is going to look very good in the final - a deserved winner.
mossy2103
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“If Jay doesn't win, Georgia is the likely winner.

They have a great Charleston. I think she can do a great Showdance and Giovanni may be able to judge that correctly and show her to her best.

They have great chemistry and are a very attractive team, and that is a big part of winning.

If the judges give them the right dance, Georgia is going to look very good in the final - a deserved winner.”

Agreed. And with Jay & Aliona not doing the jive, there is a risk that the chosen dance does not score highly enough, thus leaving the door open for GG.
Jennifer_F
15-12-2015
Does anyone know what dance is judges choice for Georgia ?
VicsMum
15-12-2015
Bruno said on ITT last night that he couldn't say because it would spoil the surprise, I suppose we'll have to wait until Saturday :s
notdebbiedingle
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by humpty dumpty:
“Quite. And unlike most other celebs and their stories that have been a running theme, this is the first time for Georgia where an issue that could effect their perfomance has been mentioned. They always focus on something as you've shown with your examples with the rest - and given the fact there was nothing going on with them that week apart from being sick and only having 2 days training it was a pretty obvious choice. Never mind the hoo-ha that had been going on with those batshit viewers on other sites leading up to it, where they were coming close to demanding a trial for Georgia to uncover 'the truth' and felt they were owed 'explanations' as to what was going on.

The biggest irony is the fact that those voting for Georgia are least likely to be voting for reasons other than her dancing, great routines and feeling she deserves a place in the final because of her hard work and consistency since the start. She didn't start off with a huge fanbase who were going to vote for her regardless, or were on a mission to get her pro partner to the final, or voted because they didn't like a judges comment to her etcetshes won over peoples votes for the right reasons, if you want to still consider it a dance competition.

I have every confidence in her to go and smash the dances in the final because of the consistency shes shown throughout the show (in terms of talent and hard work) and prove that sympathy should be one of the last reasons you're voting for her. Can't believe people are STILL going on about a VT.”

I have to agree, there does seem a desperation among Georgia's detractors to actually find something to criticise her about!! As you say earlier in the week there was nany posters saying she probably wasn't really ill, just looking for sympathy, now when the proof has been shown, she still gets criticised of lookinh for sympathy!! Damned if you do, damned if you don't!!
I do wish, now the final's been decided, that people would start focusing on the positives of four great dancers rather than trying to take cheap shots at them as individuals, & that applies to all four not just my personal favourite!!
Jennifer_F
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by notdebbiedingle:
“I have to agree, there does seem a desperation among Georgia's detractors to actually find something to criticise her about!! As you say earlier in the week there was nany posters saying she probably wasn't really ill, just looking for sympathy, now when the proof has been shown, she still gets criticised of lookinh for sympathy!! Damned if you do, damned if you don't!!
I do wish, now the final's been decided, that people would start focusing on the positives of four great dancers rather than trying to take cheap shots at them as individuals, & that applies to all four not just my personal favourite!!”

Exactly my thought too. Just look forward to some good dancing and enjoy the show.
Lou_Black
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by notdebbiedingle:
“I have to agree, there does seem a desperation among Georgia's detractors to actually find something to criticise her about!! As you say earlier in the week there was nany posters saying she probably wasn't really ill, just looking for sympathy, now when the proof has been shown, she still gets criticised of lookinh for sympathy!! Damned if you do, damned if you don't!!
I do wish, now the final's been decided, that people would start focusing on the positives of four great dancers rather than trying to take cheap shots at them as individuals, & that applies to all four not just my personal favourite!!”


So we can only say everyone's wonderful? Why is a (to my mind) perfectly valid criticism, be deemed to be a "cheap shot" just because the person to whom it is aimed at happens to be one of your favourites? If it's your view then there wasn't a cynical effort to gain sympathy votes then that's fine, I completely respect that. It just happens to be my opinion that there was an attempt to manipulate the audience.

Surely people are allowed to have a view without being accused of making cheap shots or being desperate? I don't flatter myself that my opinion is going to change anyone else's mind but I think I should be allowed to say what I think.
stidds
15-12-2015
I like all the finalists and all 4 deserve to be in the final, but when I initially watched the show I also did think that Georgia's VT was trying to 'pull at the heart strings' a bit.

Georgia deserves to be in the final and if she was in the dance off would have beaten Katie or Anita, however it looked like the VT was to make sure she had enough votes to not be in that dance off to start with.

As I say I am glad she is in the final and I would be happy for her to win it, I just think the show producers wanted to make sure she was definitely in the final, without having the chance of something going wrong (she could have tripped etc) in the dance off. Of course you cannot blame the show producers for this as they want the best and most popular dancers in the final.
notdebbiedingle
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“So we can only say everyone's wonderful? Why is a (to my mind) perfectly valid criticism, be deemed to be a "cheap shot" just because the person to whom it is aimed at happens to be one of your favourites? If it's your view then there wasn't a cynical effort to gain sympathy votes then that's fine, I completely respect that. It just happens to be my opinion that there was an attempt to manipulate the audience.

Surely people are allowed to have a view without being accused of making cheap shots or being desperate? I don't flatter myself that my opinion is going to change anyone else's mind but I think I should be allowed to say what I think.”

If you read the last line of my post I state quite clearly that it is aimed at all four contestants not just Georgia!! I do respect your opinion, as you have respected mine but I just think now that semi final week is gone, the final four have been chosen & it's time to focus on the positives of four great dancers, all of whom are capable of making this the best final ever!! Let's get behind them ALL!! Sure have your favourite, as I have, but no jibes at the others' expense!!
Ok I am not naive enough to think this is going to happen but I do think this is capable of being a great final & will approach Saturday evening with a lot of excitement & anticipation!!
Good luck to you all & I hope your favourite dances brilliantly on the night, whoever that
favourite is!!
StrictlyEastend
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by jllc:
“Not talking about this week but she needs to up her game if she wants to win. They have been too complacent recently. I really wasn't too surprised to see them in the dance off the other week. They may have peaked too soon, but we will see.”

I don't think they've ever been complacent but I do agree, she needs to be at her Viennese Waltz standard at least this week.
humpty dumpty
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by StrictlyEastend:
“I don't think they've ever been complacent but I do agree, she needs to be at her Viennese Waltz standard at least this week. ”

Agree, can't see any complacency at all. I don't see her in any decline either. The pasodoble wasn't her very best, but it was ruined mostly by things outwith her control (music, theme and lightning). She put in the work and still got decent marks (with Karen Hardy saying she was undermarked). I thought her foxtrot was beautiful, and I think she was in the bottom two more because people thought she was safe (and thought Katie and Anita were in danger) than anything to do with her dancing. The teapots distracting from the dance didn't help.

Her cha cha wasn't up to her usual standard, but thats more to do with being sick and a tiny amount of time to rehearse it. She did get a lot of 'wow' dances earlier on that can be hard to live up to, but I haven't seen any complacency from her. I'm confident that we'll see that on Saturday.
BeeBumble
15-12-2015
I think the problem is she had all the really crowd pleasing dances early on in the series. She started with the Jive, then had the first Rumba and then got Salsa, Tango, Samba, Charleston and American Smooth all one after the other the other that after Blackpool the only 'good' (imo) dances she had left was Argentine Tango (which got culled) and Viennese Waltz (which she aced).
MACTOWIN
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by Lou_Black:
“Do you think she was forced to act out the patient/doctor scenario in the training room?

(On another note, I realise we all have our favourites but it's really tiresome to be unable to make a criticism about a celebrity without a fan firing out accusations of hatred etc. Yawn.)”

I never mentioned hatred and as for using the yawn word what is that all about. As for the Doctor point what did you want her to say to the Producers If your show this I will leave the show.
stacesl3
15-12-2015
Coming into this series I really didn't have a favorite and I'll be honest I didn't have a clue who Georgia was when I started watching (dont watch corrie) and I kind of wrote her off as the token 'pretty' soapstar! However..... I will say she (and Giovanni) have totally won me over (and I'm not that easy to be won over )
The Samba was when I started to take notice, I dont like the samba as its one of those dances that seems so hard, but I really enjoyed theirs, then 'that' Charleston!!! Loved it, the whole theme of it was right up my street. I've watched her improve over the series and have to praise Giovanni for some great choreography and also taking on board what the judges critique and fixing the problems (after he got the telling off from Len he stuck to the rules!) I enjoy their partnership and think she really is a lovely dancer.

I dont dislike anyone in the final, never really warmed to Kellie or Katie much but dont believe I need to be nasty or start pointing out faults etc...I can see they have both worked hard and both deserve to be in final. So let the best man/woman win
daisydee
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“Georgia has done the best she can do, as have Katie and Kellie. All the contestants this year have been fighting for a place in the final rather than to win since Jay's had the win wrapped up since day one, and all three girls have achieved that, so well done to them.

It does kind of baffle me how Georgia came last in the vote, or second last (behind Helen), last week, yet manages to pull ahead of not one, but two, other contestants this week.

Kellie's been in the bottom two twice, whilst Georgia's, Anita's and Katie's support has collapsed over the last two weeks. If Georgia can pull ahead so easily (and fall into the bottom two so easily), it just proves none of the girls have any real support. I mean, of course they've had support because they all got so far without landing in the bottom two, but when it's mattered most, their voters are no where to be seen. Not a single one of them managed to keep hold of their support until the final.

If anyone had any doubts Jay was going to walk this final before, they certainly shouldn't now.

Georgia's my favourite and since the beginning I've just hoped that she'd place 'joint' second, so if she manages to do that, I'll be happy.”

Georgia has done so well from day one and has proved to be very popular with the viewers every week except that one - probably because we all thought she was safe so voted for someone who wasn't, that's what i did Then folk realised that they had to keep voting for her regardless. I have thrown a few votes her way every week. I would love her to win.
Lou_Black
16-12-2015
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“I never mentioned hatred and as for using the yawn word what is that all about. As for the Doctor point what did you want her to say to the Producers If your show this I will leave the show.”

The yawn word is about bang bang posts back at someone who dares to criticise your favourite. And, yes, anyone with any self-respect would say "no, I'm not going to film a fake doctor consultation in order to gain sympathy votes. I will do some training instead if it's all the same to you". What do you the think the producers would do? Sack her? Yes, very likely in the run up to the semi final!
Sandra Bee
16-12-2015
It was mentioned somewhere that Georgia doesn't have a fanbase as do some other contestants but I know people who are voting for her because she was in Corrie.
Lou_Black
16-12-2015
Originally Posted by Sandra Bee:
“It was mentioned somewhere that Georgia doesn't have a fanbase as do some other contestants but I know people who are voting for her because she was in Corrie.”

I wonder if the fan base works more for the pros than the celebrities? Thinking back, my favourites have included Jay and Helen (from this series) plus Ricky Whittle, Chelsee Healey and Kara Tointon - none of whom I had heard of before! But I stay loyal to my favourite pros (eg, Ola) even when they have a duffer.
Skyrah
16-12-2015
Originally Posted by MACTOWIN:
“Unbelievable. Do you think she edits the show. Why do you not just say you don't like her and leave it at that rather than have cheap shots.”

Sorry Mac, this time you are wrong. Georgia could have asked for the Dr visit not to be shown as it's private. The Producers would have honoured her request, but obviously she didn't.
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