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The Leona Lewis Appreciation Thread (Part 62)
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Envoirment
12-01-2016
Originally Posted by Connor_Marshall:
“I know everyone is trying to be positive and make excuses, and saying the I GOT belt was good. However:

The fact of the matter is Leona isn't what she used to be. She cannot sing as well as she did in 2011, and she mixes songs around to hide the fact her voice is thin and she can't maintain a long note.

Also, it's sad that people are relieved that it sounded better on TV because 'her voice was hidden' !!!!! That is not a good thing - she sounds good because we can't hear her actual voice is all that means - just like Cheryl lip-syncing.

It's harsh but I've loved Leona since X Factor but the fact of the matter is she doesn't take advice from what songs she should go for and her voice is weak now ”

If that were true she wouldn't have included so many upper belts in her recent album. And she's shown she can hit multiple E5s with relative ease with "I Got You". Not to mention that she can sustain notes with ease still... Her performance of "Run" on X-factor she did a really good sustained G#4 with great vibrato.

Her voice has certainly changed, but Leona said she's working on it so give her time to work out all the kinks. The tour I think is a make or break situation. It could really give her voice a new lease of life if she uses the oppotunity properly.

The 2010 Labrynth tour was part of the reason her voice was so good and on point in 2011. If she makes sure not to overuse her voice (like with the Glassheart Tour), then we could see great things happen.
Dave0893
12-01-2016
Originally Posted by Envoirment:
“If that were true she wouldn't have included so many upper belts in her recent album. And she's shown she can hit multiple E5s with relative ease with "I Got You". Not to mention that she can sustain notes with ease still... Her performance of "Run" on X-factor she did a really good sustained G#4 with great vibrato.

Her voice has certainly changed, but Leona said she's working on it so give her time to work out all the kinks. The tour I think is a make or break situation. It could really give her voice a new lease of life if she uses the oppotunity properly.

The 2010 Labrynth tour was part of the reason her voice was so good and on point in 2011. If she makes sure not to overuse her voice (like with the Glassheart Tour), then we could see great things happen.”

Why do you think that? Is it because it gives her the chance to put into practice the new techniques and lessons she has been getting taught from her new vocal coach? Do you think she'll be working closely with a vocal coach for the tour?

I honestly can't contain my excitement for the tour, I can't wait until we find out some details about it, like who she is working with, some of the songs she is doing, the support act, I am surprised they haven't announced anyone yet.
GreekFan
12-01-2016
The good thing is that her name is still big enough to book shows like that.
The potential is there, all she needs is a damn good album!

Also, Taylor Swift's video for Out of the woods is stunning. Hoping that we will see something like that from Leona someday
Seraj-Brugi
12-01-2016
Originally Posted by Envoirment:
“If that were true she wouldn't have included so many upper belts in her recent album. And she's shown she can hit multiple E5s with relative ease with "I Got You". Not to mention that she can sustain notes with ease still... Her performance of "Run" on X-factor she did a really good sustained G#4 with great vibrato.

Her voice has certainly changed, but Leona said she's working on it so give her time to work out all the kinks. The tour I think is a make or break situation. It could really give her voice a new lease of life if she uses the oppotunity properly.

The 2010 Labrynth tour was part of the reason her voice was so good and on point in 2011. If she makes sure not to overuse her voice (like with the Glassheart Tour), then we could see great things happen.”

That's interesting, where'd she say she's working on it?
James124
12-01-2016
Originally Posted by Envoirment:
“If that were true she wouldn't have included so many upper belts in her recent album. And she's shown she can hit multiple E5s with relative ease with "I Got You". Not to mention that she can sustain notes with ease still... Her performance of "Run" on X-factor she did a really good sustained G#4 with great vibrato.

Her voice has certainly changed, but Leona said she's working on it so give her time to work out all the kinks. The tour I think is a make or break situation. It could really give her voice a new lease of life if she uses the oppotunity properly.

The 2010 Labrynth tour was part of the reason her voice was so good and on point in 2011. If she makes sure not to overuse her voice (like with the Glassheart Tour), then we could see great things happen.”

I don't really get how the labyrnth tour could be good for her voice but the glassheart was bad because she overused it. If anything I would have thought she overused her voice more on the labyrnth tour because she was constantly beltinget and really showing off her vocal ability. Unlike the glass heart where she kinda avoided belting and relied on the backing singers a lot. I'm not trying to be smart or anything, it's a genuine question because I don't have a clue on what's good or bad vocally. So I don't really see how a tour could be good for voice when it already seems quite strained.
X_UltimateBun_X
12-01-2016
I'm really genuinely confused as to where everybody is seeing this "struggle" , I really can't see her struggling or looking uncomfortable at all. I think it's more just that she's expressive/emotive not that she's in actual pain; because her upper chest belts , particularly in her IGY 2.0 performances are so easy and in her performance with Andrea Bocelli, she did a really strong and easy D5 with really good vibrato.

Seriously ! Anybody who thinks she struggles : http://www.ansa.it/sito/notizie/cult...a32be2361.html @ around 22 seconds in.
siwelanoel
12-01-2016
Originally Posted by Envoirment:
“If that were true she wouldn't have included so many upper belts in her recent album. And she's shown she can hit multiple E5s with relative ease with "I Got You". Not to mention that she can sustain notes with ease still... Her performance of "Run" on X-factor she did a really good sustained G#4 with great vibrato.

Her voice has certainly changed, but Leona said she's working on it so give her time to work out all the kinks. The tour I think is a make or break situation. It could really give her voice a new lease of life if she uses the oppotunity properly.

The 2010 Labrynth tour was part of the reason her voice was so good and on point in 2011. If she makes sure not to overuse her voice (like with the Glassheart Tour), then we could see great things happen.”

Honestly with Leona, everything has been a make or break situation... and nothing has ended her career yet. After "Echo" underperformed, the next campaign was called "make or break," and when "Glassheart" flopped people said the next record would be "make or break." And then when she started with a new label it was called the same thing.
Leona preservers and continues to work, so that's all that matters.
GreekFan
12-01-2016
Originally Posted by X_UltimateBun_X:
“I'm really genuinely confused as to where everybody is seeing this "struggle" , I really can't see her struggling or looking uncomfortable at all. I think it's more just that she's expressive/emotive not that she's in actual pain; because her upper chest belts , particularly in her IGY 2.0 performances are so easy and in her performance with Andrea Bocelli, she did a really strong and easy D5 with really good vibrato.”

We can't know if she's in pain or not while singing ( I guess she isn't ) but the singing doesn't look as easy and effortless as it used to for sure. You can read it on her face:
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/1-12-2016/BQHDFz.gif

As for the duet with Andrea, of course she still has great moments. The problem is that she isn't consistent
GreekFan
12-01-2016
I dont know who wrote this, but I found it interesting:

http://mrskinnyjeanz3.tumblr.com/pos...-lyric-soprano

( Leona's vocals analysed )
Dave0893
13-01-2016
Guys I think we should try and respect the wishes of the majority on the forum who don't want to read analysis after every performance of Leona's vocals, I know I used to hate it and it really does bring your whole mood down and ruin your experience on the thread when you see what you perceive just to be negativity.

I created a vocals thread on Leona's Buzzjack Artist Section for these types of discussion. That way this thread doesn't need to be split into two halves. This is a great thread with fantastic members and I hate seeing people who have been on here for years feeling like they don't want to post anymore. And the vocal debates seem to be the main driving force behind that, so I think we should leave that for a designated thread that you choose to read rather than having to be subjected to on here.
IsThisHappiness
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dave0893:
“Guys I think we should try and respect the wishes of the majority on the forum who don't want to read analysis after every performance of Leona's vocals, I know I used to hate it and it really does bring your whole mood down and ruin your experience on the thread when you see what you perceive just to be negativity.

I created a vocals thread on Leona's Buzzjack Artist Section for these types of discussion. That way this thread doesn't need to be split into two halves. This is a great thread with fantastic members and I hate seeing people who have been on here for years feeling like they don't want to post anymore. And the vocal debates seem to be the main driving force behind that, so I think we should leave that for a designated thread that you choose to read rather than having to be subjected to on here. ”

Is it over analysing when people say "Oh that wasn't good?" though? I don't think so. If people don't wanna talk about a performance with fellow Leona fans, they don't have to, they should just not quote those messages.

If you perceive something as negativity, surely that's your own fault and not the person who writes it - presumably without the intention to just be negative for the sake of it. If people would just realise that it's not people being negative for the shits and giggles then there wouldn't be a huge drama about it. When she's good everyone is happy to analyse a performance to death. Its just some like to ignore her bad performance.

If people like a performance, say you liked it. If you dont, say you dont. I think it's quite simple. I mean, it doesn't have to be dragged over 5 pages, but that's just as much down to all the "How can anyone dare think she sounds bad, are you deaf? Why do you all hate her? Why are you negative?" as it is everyone over-analysing her vocals.
Dave0893
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“Is it over analysing when people say "Oh that wasn't good?" though? I don't think so. If people don't wanna talk about a performance with fellow Leona fans, they don't have to, they should just not quote those messages.

If you perceive something as negativity, surely that's your own fault and not the person who writes it - presumably without the intention to just be negative for the sake of it. If people would just realise that it's not people being negative for the shits and giggles then there wouldn't be a huge drama about it. When she's good everyone is happy to analyse a performance to death. Its just some like to ignore her bad performance.

If people like a performance, say you liked it. If you dont, say you dont. I think it's quite simple. I mean, it doesn't have to be dragged over 5 pages, but that's just as much down to all the "How can anyone dare think she sounds bad, are you deaf? Why do you all hate her? Why are you negative?" as it is everyone over-analysing her vocals.”

Look I share the same viewpoint as you in regards to this, I don't think there is anything wrong expressing your opinion and wanting to discuss it, but at the same time technically this is an appreciation thread, it is that simple, people come on here because they want the updates in a positive, light environment and the discussions always lead to arguments which bring the mood down.

I am just suggesting a extremely simple alternative that solves most problems.

It's up to the individual posters whether they want to continuing posting their thoughts about her vocals on here or the Buzzjack thread, but I am just going to take it to Buzzjack when it comes to vocals as I know most on here don't like it.
Virtuoso
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dave0893:
“Look I share the same viewpoint as you in regards to this, I don't think there is anything wrong expressing your opinion and wanting to discuss it, but at the same time technically this is an appreciation thread, it is that simple, people come on here because they want the updates in a positive, light environment and the discussions always lead to arguments which bring the mood down.

I am just suggesting a extremely simple alternative that solves most problems.

It's up to the individual posters whether they want to continuing posting their thoughts about her vocals on here or the Buzzjack thread, but I am just going to take it to Buzzjack when it comes to vocals as I know most on here don't like it. ”

I think it gets a bit worrying where there must be only one strain of opinion on here - that's to say Leona is the best singer in the world. We're adults, who like a singer. There is nothing that anyone could say about me, my friends, partner or family that would make me react the way I've seen people do. I saw some terrifying interactions over on Buzzjack (I think!) between Soe and a moderator, so that's not a safe space to talk about this stuff. People get psycho AF about her vocals.
IsThisHappiness
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dave0893:
“Look I share the same viewpoint as you in regards to this, I don't think there is anything wrong expressing your opinion and wanting to discuss it, but at the same time technically this is an appreciation thread, it is that simple, people come on here because they want the updates in a positive, light environment and the discussions always lead to arguments which bring the mood down.

I am just suggesting a extremely simple alternative that solves most problems.

It's up to the individual posters whether they want to continuing posting their thoughts about her vocals on here or the Buzzjack thread, but I am just going to take it to Buzzjack when it comes to vocals as I know most on here don't like it. ”

But just how many more things are going to get censored in this thread?

We weren't allowed to talk about I Am flopping for the first 2 weeks because "There is a plan", then it was "It's only the beginning of a long era" and now it's "Lets just look forward to the future". So, along with censoring any discussion of the commercial performance of I Am, we can't simply comment if a performance was good or not? It's ridiculous. It IS an appreciation thread, which is why everyone in here (minus the obvious one that seems to just troll) loves and appreciates Leona. This isn't a thread called "All the positive Leona updates". We're all fans here and nobody loves Leona more than any other.

I think the most simple solution is, if you see someone comment that they didn't like a performance and found it bad - don't quote it and invite a huge discussion into it. When I loved her Run performance on X Factor and most on here hated it, I didn't start a huge meltdown over other's having a 'negative' opinion on it. I just continued to watch it and love it. It really is THAT simple.
James124
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“But just how many more things are going to get censored in this thread?

We weren't allowed to talk about I Am flopping for the first 2 weeks because "There is a plan", then it was "It's only the beginning of a long era" and now it's "Lets just look forward to the future". So, along with censoring any discussion of the commercial performance of I Am, we can't simply comment if a performance was good or not? It's ridiculous. It IS an appreciation thread, which is why everyone in here (minus the obvious one that seems to just troll) loves and appreciates Leona. This isn't a thread called "All the positive Leona updates". We're all fans here and nobody loves Leona more than any other.

I think the most simple solution is, if you see someone comment that they didn't like a performance and found it bad - don't quote it and invite a huge discussion into it. When I loved her Run performance on X Factor and most on here hated it, I didn't start a huge meltdown over other's having a 'negative' opinion on it. I just continued to watch it and love it. It really is THAT simple.”

This is what I was trying to say a few days ago after R2 but people just thought I was slating her. Nobody is here to speak bad of Leona and I'm sure everyone who takes the the out of their day to read and contribute to this thread loves leona as much as I do. This is about the only place a group of leona fans speak to each other so when you have a question about leona, for example, why is her voice changing, this is the first place you'd think of asking because there are so many leona fans.

I agree that people (including me) should try respect the fact that there are a lot of people here who are sick of speaking about leona'a vocal problems and just want to enjoy them. I hate seeing people feel they cant continue with this thread snd i dont think its anybodies intention to make someone feel like that. But it's not fair to jump down someone's throat when they are disappointed with a performance and want to express that.

We all just need to accept that her voice is changing and enjoy how beautiful it still is and you can really appreciate her new sound in TAT. I think she has a more emotional sound to her voice and it's really starting to grow on me.
fallendancer
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by GreekFan:
“I dont know who wrote this, but I found it interesting:

http://mrskinnyjeanz3.tumblr.com/pos...-lyric-soprano

( Leona's vocals analysed )”

You all should read this ! Very well written.
fallendancer
13-01-2016
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soulmusic
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Dave0893:
“Guys I think we should try and respect the wishes of the majority on the forum who don't want to read analysis after every performance of Leona's vocals, I know I used to hate it and it really does bring your whole mood down and ruin your experience on the thread when you see what you perceive just to be negativity.

I created a vocals thread on Leona's Buzzjack Artist Section for these types of discussion. That way this thread doesn't need to be split into two halves. This is a great thread with fantastic members and I hate seeing people who have been on here for years feeling like they don't want to post anymore. And the vocal debates seem to be the main driving force behind that, so I think we should leave that for a designated thread that you choose to read rather than having to be subjected to on here. ”

Thank you Dave, this is a good suggestion.
gtleona
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by GreekFan:
“I dont know who wrote this, but I found it interesting:

http://mrskinnyjeanz3.tumblr.com/pos...-lyric-soprano

( Leona's vocals analysed )”

Well I certainly don't think she's 'guilty of using Jaw-brato', I actually think her vibrato is amazing and has become far quicker and more controlled over the years.
hazza12
13-01-2016
Who thinks that FUMF could still be a worldwide hit? Particularly if the production got tweaked a bit
esesohsam
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by gtleona:
“Well I certainly don't think she's 'guilty of using Jaw-brato', I actually think her vibrato is amazing and has become far quicker and more controlled over the years. ”

Yeah, I'm not sure who has written that but a fair bit of it is wrong lol
Fellen
13-01-2016
wait a minute, I've just checked FUMF vid on youtube and a lot of people commented that they came there from FIFA Ballon D'or! So I guess that no one really cares about how she sounded but they just really enjoy the song and find to listen to it again!
P/S: Yesterday is now on her Vevo channel too!
QueenLeonaLewis
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Fellen:
“wait a minute, I've just checked FUMF vid on youtube and a lot of people commented that they came there from FIFA Ballon D'or! So I guess that no one really cares about how she sounded but they just really enjoy the song and find to listen to it again!
P/S: Yesterday is now on her Vevo channel too! ”

I just dont get why they are putting Spirt songs on here vevo now.
It really doesn't make sense to me as a fan.

I wish she went back to spirt sound again.. Even echo.. EVEN GLASSHEART mainly Spirt though.
Dave0893
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by IsThisHappiness:
“But just how many more things are going to get censored in this thread?

We weren't allowed to talk about I Am flopping for the first 2 weeks because "There is a plan", then it was "It's only the beginning of a long era" and now it's "Lets just look forward to the future". So, along with censoring any discussion of the commercial performance of I Am, we can't simply comment if a performance was good or not? It's ridiculous. It IS an appreciation thread, which is why everyone in here (minus the obvious one that seems to just troll) loves and appreciates Leona. This isn't a thread called "All the positive Leona updates". We're all fans here and nobody loves Leona more than any other.

I think the most simple solution is, if you see someone comment that they didn't like a performance and found it bad - don't quote it and invite a huge discussion into it. When I loved her Run performance on X Factor and most on here hated it, I didn't start a huge meltdown over other's having a 'negative' opinion on it. I just continued to watch it and love it. It really is THAT simple.”

As I said if you want to comment then comment, but I am just saying there's a thread now where we can talk about her voice in detail if we so wish.

Originally Posted by QueenLeonaLewis:
“I just dont get why they are putting Spirt songs on here vevo now.
It really doesn't make sense to me as a fan.

I wish she went back to spirt sound again.. Even echo.. EVEN GLASSHEART mainly Spirt though.”

I think it's a good idea, remind her subscribers of these songs and that could encourage them to check out the new ones.

I'd love her to go back to the Spirit sound as well, looking back they should never have veered from it, they had their lane which was massively successful and they swerved into another lane due to Run becoming a surprise hit. But I still think Echo is her best album and had she had decent labels could have been hugely successful.
hazza12
13-01-2016
Originally Posted by Fellen:
“wait a minute, I've just checked FUMF vid on youtube and a lot of people commented that they came there from FIFA Ballon D'or! So I guess that no one really cares about how she sounded but they just really enjoy the song and find to listen to it again!
P/S: Yesterday is now on her Vevo channel too! ”

I never knew how many positive comments were on there!!
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