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Anton's "fix-trot"
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MACTOWIN
14-12-2015
That's what's on the front page of Tomorrows Sun which is not the sort of Headline the Show would want in the week of the Final. IMO there appears to have been a lot more negative Headlines than previous years that of course be down to the X Factor viewing figures being down so badly.
Littlegreen42
14-12-2015
I hope they have to reinstate Anita and Gleb!

(Let me dream)
Vodka_Drinka
14-12-2015
The Sun loves bashing the BBC, but yes probably because no one cares about the X Factor anymore they've had to find a new target.
BuddyBontheNet
14-12-2015
It's probably an article cobbled together from message boards and social media like Facebook and Twitter, where some Anita and Gleb fans have said it was a fix Katie and Anton were chosen instead of them.

If it was a real allegation it would be the headline and not just one of the small bits on the front page.
tabithakitten
14-12-2015
Ah, the Sun.

The paper that's not even any good for wiping your rear end on.

Unless you want newsprint all over your arse.

Well, I say "news"print...
jtnorth
15-12-2015
These newspapers wonder why their sales are collapsing and they run cover stories that are literally 'people on Twitter are saying something we can't back up or add to in any way.' Pathetic.
smilliekylie
15-12-2015
It's about the 'Dry Ice' and the Twitter/Facebook comments that Anita and Gleb were better (which I thought they were, but c'est la vie)


STRICTLY is embroiled in a fresh fix row after show judges voted pal Anton Du Beke into his first final after 11 years.

He and Katie Derham got through a dance-off despite Anita Rani and Gleb Savchenko’s eight-point lead.

But viewers accused Len Goodman, Darcey Bussell and Bruno Tonioli of helping Anton and claim the producers used dry ice to disguise Katie’s poor footwork.
MayD
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by Littlegreen42:
“I hope they have to reinstate Anita and Gleb!

(Let me dream)”

All together now...... < sings Frozen theme song >
Seymour
15-12-2015
I say good on the Sun for saying what a lot of people are thinking....
CaroUK
15-12-2015
Katie upped her game in the Dance off and did a beautiful recognisable foxtrot, correcting most of the issues from her first attempt

Anita redid her non-salsa and made mistakes in it so on the basis of the dance off, Katie won it on two counts - doing a proper dance, and improving on her first attempt.

And the difference in marks between the dance off dances was a single point - Katie got 31, Anita 32. Katie would have scored more had she danced the main show foxtrot as well as she did it in the DO, and on the performance - Anita would have got less.

Don't get me wrong, I lived Anita and Gleb, and looked forward to their dances each week, but in the dance off she was beaten fair and square.
Lady Minuette
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Katie upped her game in the Dance off and did a beautiful recognisable foxtrot, correcting most of the issues from her first attempt

Anita redid her non-salsa and made mistakes in it so on the basis of the dance off, Katie won it on two counts - doing a proper dance, and improving on her first attempt.

And the difference in marks between the dance off dances was a single point - Katie got 31, Anita 32. Katie would have scored more had she danced the main show foxtrot as well as she did it in the DO, and on the performance - Anita would have got less.

Don't get me wrong, I lived Anita and Gleb, and looked forward to their dances each week, but in the dance off she was beaten fair and square.”


I thought they did a waltz? Anyway I agree Katie did it much better in the dance off and Gleb choreographed more of a gymnastic display than the salsa they were supposed to do.
mossy2103
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“It's probably an article cobbled together from message boards and social media like Facebook and Twitter, where some Anita and Gleb fans have said it was a fix Katie and Anton were chosen instead of them.

If it was a real allegation it would be the headline and not just one of the small bits on the front page.”

Correct.

I really do wonder why anyone would give any credence to this type of article
LoracShakti
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by smilliekylie:
“It's about the 'Dry Ice' and the Twitter/Facebook comments that Anita and Gleb were better (which I thought they were, but c'est la vie)


STRICTLY is embroiled in a fresh fix row after show judges voted pal Anton Du Beke into his first final after 11 years.

He and Katie Derham got through a dance-off despite Anita Rani and Gleb Savchenko’s eight-point lead.

But viewers accused Len Goodman, Darcey Bussell and Bruno Tonioli of helping Anton and claim the producers used dry ice to disguise Katie’s poor footwork.”

I must admit whenever I see dry ice being used I roll my eyes and try to focus on the footwork as well as I can - though lets be honest with some of the camera work we are lucky to see the feet at all sometimes.
An Thropologist
15-12-2015
They could have gone with the 'Anita and Gleb public vote collapses - plunging them into the dance off' - story.
CaroUK
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by Lady Minuette:
“I thought they did a waltz? Anyway I agree Katie did it much better in the dance off and Gleb choreographed more of a gymnastic display than the salsa they were supposed to do.”

Oops my bad - got taken in by the "fix- trot" headline...... (And I've slept since then to Our!)

Either way - if they were judging on the dance off (as they are supposed to!) - Katie won fair and square....

And that 8 point lead they quote - whilst true is misleading as the gap between the dances re performed was only one point....... Had the DO been scored, Katie would have got considerably more, and Anita would have been lucky to keep the same score as she had!
Bedlam_maid
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by LoracShakti:
“I must admit whenever I see dry ice being used I roll my eyes and try to focus on the footwork as well as I can - though lets be honest with some of the camera work we are lucky to see the feet at all sometimes.”

I'd have to agree with this in part. Dry ice should not be allowed. I noticed at the time but then they danced out if the 'fug' and we could see the footwork. Judged on the dance-off Katie was better dancer, although if you were judging on overall competence Anita is by far the best. However, after the Andre fiasco the judges had to judge only on the dance-off.
LoracShakti
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by Bedlam_maid:
“I'd have to agree with this in part. Dry ice should not be allowed. I noticed at the time but then they danced out if the 'fug' and we could see the footwork. Judged on the dance-off Katie was better dancer, although if you were judging on overall competence Anita is by far the best. However, after the Andre fiasco the judges had to judge only on the dance-off.”

I agree in this case it wasn't used for that long and they did dance out of it. But there have been times over this and previous series where it is clear it is being used to disguise the footwork. That and the length of some of the lady celebs dresses in ballroom dances. But I digress.
Englishspinner
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by Bedlam_maid:
“I'd have to agree with this in part. Dry ice should not be allowed. I noticed at the time but then they danced out if the 'fug' and we could see the footwork. Judged on the dance-off Katie was better dancer, although if you were judging on overall competence Anita is by far the best. However, after the Andre fiasco the judges had to judge only on the dance-off.”

I believe the amount of dry ice used when Abbey danced made a significant contribution towards global warning.
DiamondDoll
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by smilliekylie:
“It's about the 'Dry Ice' and the Twitter/Facebook comments that Anita and Gleb were better (which I thought they were, but c'est la vie)


STRICTLY is embroiled in a fresh fix row after show judges voted pal Anton Du Beke into his first final after 11 years.

He and Katie Derham got through a dance-off despite Anita Rani and Gleb Savchenko’s eight-point lead.

But viewers accused Len Goodman, Darcey Bussell and Bruno Tonioli of helping Anton and claim the producers used dry ice to disguise Katie’s poor footwork.
”

What a load of rubbish. *yawn*

Originally Posted by Bedlam_maid:
“I'd have to agree with this in part. Dry ice should not be allowed. I noticed at the time but then they danced out if the 'fug' and we could see the footwork. Judged on the dance-off Katie was better dancer, although if you were judging on overall competence Anita is by far the best. However, after the Andre fiasco the judges had to judge only on the dance-off.”

Imho that's the clincher.
J.R
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by CaroUK:
“Oops my bad - got taken in by the "fix- trot" headline...... (And I've slept since then to Our!)

Either way - if they were judging on the dance off (as they are supposed to!) - Katie won fair and square....

And that 8 point lead they quote - whilst true is misleading as the gap between the dances re performed was only one point....... Had the DO been scored, Katie would have got considerably more, and Anita would have been lucky to keep the same score as she had!”

I've mentioned before that I really wish they would score the dances in the DO. it would be so much clearer than just saying I choose this one or that one. If they give a point more than the first time they would have to say because they improved etc. All four should score too and then it's perfectly obvious who will go out!

I was disappointed that Zoe on ITT encouraged Anita to say that she thought they should have got through to the final. Hoped to get through, wanted to get through. wished they had etc - yes thats all natural but not 'should have done'. None have them can take that for granted, they all depend on the public vote and if that goes and they end up in the DO then they need to up their game - which Katie did.
JohnStannard
15-12-2015
It wasn't fixed at all. as it has been said in the DO Katie corrected those mistakes in the Waltz and I think would have still gone through had Antia done foxtrot because they didn't improve in the DO. If Katie had danced it without mistakes in the 1st show I predict those scores would have been around 33-35 meaning that they would have been 1-3 points in the lead of Antia on those 2 dances. It doesn't matter if your bottom or halfway up the board if you do better in the DO you should stay look at Richard Arnold when he was bottom of the leaderboard and forgot his Foxtrot leaving him with 17 he beat Colin Salmon in the DO who was 9 points above him because he remembered his dance and it was better than Colin's I don't remember all this uproar on here on that occasion. could you imagine the reaction on this forum if Katie actually wins? I would love to see it as I think it would be meltdown. I predict Kellie will be out 1st this week and while im at it why hasn't anyone updated the Wikipedia page yet for this week?
Skyrah
15-12-2015
IMO dry ice should not be used in the latter stages of the contest. It's fine first few week as it disguises bad footwork, but not in the Semi, no need for it.

Even Anton made a comment & joked after given the scores, "not enough dry ice, should have been waist hight"
amelia_lee
15-12-2015
Katie outdanced Anita by far in the dance off, also her dance was a proper waltz, Anita did cheerleading dancing, so nothing for SCD, it wasn't close as Len asid.

Fans may be bitter about the dance off, but it was not a fix, Katie did well, Anita not as well, the story of the dance off, same every year.
Skyrah
15-12-2015
Originally Posted by amelia_lee:
“Katie outdanced Anita by far in the dance off, also her dance was a proper waltz, Anita did cheerleading dancing, so nothing for SCD, it wasn't close as Len asid.

Fans may be bitter about the dance off, but it was not a fix, Katie did well, Anita not as well, the story of the dance off, same every year.”

No matter what, Len was going to save Katie which ever dance Anita did.
Anita's looked beautiful & executed her foxtrot that was given to her well with no obvious mistakes. Her spins were sublime, still don't know how she managed to kept her foot on the ground the whole time.

Anita's Foxtrot wasn't Len's taste, even if it was full of Foxtrot content Len would have found something to moan about.
holly berry
15-12-2015
Len was right - it wasn't even close.

Sometimes you can see how the choice of who to save might be subjective - Pixie vs Simon, for example, but other times - Jamelia vs Peter - it's obvious.
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