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Old 24-04-2005, 16:27
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
I too have heard people say they must get home to see the next episode - I think it's great that the new series is exciting people so much - not only are they watching, they're not afraid to say they are.

I agree with you on the direction - very poor. After the tension and snappiness of the earlier episodes, AOL and WW3 left me disappointed. However, I can see that they would have appealed to many people, which is why I'm glad this new series works on so many levels.

I believe Keith Boak (sp?) has directed three episodes? I only hope that he does a better job next time. Anyone know what the other is?

Really looking forward to Dalek - but I have to admit that I was after seeing AOL.
I am sure Keith Boak is a good director in his particular 'field'...I work in television and some directors are suited to certain types of dramas..feature or single dramas and some are suited to continuing series like Casualty, Holby, EastEnders and the like. I just felt that his episodes did not flow in the same way that Euros episodes did. He created a good atmospehere and built the drama up really well in EOW and The Unquiet Dead. Hope we see him back for the next series. Joe Ahearne should do us proud given his work on Ultraviolet....fingers crossed.
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Old 24-04-2005, 16:30
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
I too have heard people say they must get home to see the next episode - I think it's great that the new series is exciting people so much - not only are they watching, they're not afraid to say they are.

I agree with you on the direction - very poor. After the tension and snappiness of the earlier episodes, AOL and WW3 left me disappointed. However, I can see that they would have appealed to many people, which is why I'm glad this new series works on so many levels.

I believe Keith Boak (sp?) has directed three episodes? I only hope that he does a better job next time. Anyone know what the other is?

Really looking forward to Dalek - but I have to admit that I was after seeing AOL.
No that's it.
All the episodes from Keith Boak's block have already been shown.
Now we can look forward to Joe Ahearne.
And I've got to say that I'm really looking forward to the Joe Ahearne episodes.

Next up Joe Ahearne directing "Dalek"
Then.....
Brian Grant..."The Long Game"
Joe Ahearne..."Father's Day"
James Hawes... "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances"
Joe Ahearne ..."Boom Town"
Joe Ahearne...."Episode 12/The Parting of the Ways"

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Old 24-04-2005, 16:36
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Originally Posted by Alrightmate
No that's it.
All the episodes from Keith Boak's block have already been shown.
Now we can look forward to Joe Ahearne.
And I've got to say that I'm really looking forward to the Joe Ahearne episodes.

Next up Joe Ahearne directing "Dalek"
Then.....
Brian Grant..."The Long Game"
Joe Ahearne..."Father's Day"
James Hawes... "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances"
Joe Ahearne ..."Boom Town"
Joe Ahearne...."Episode 12/The Parting of the Ways"


Did James Hawes direct an episode of Sea Of Souls?
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Old 24-04-2005, 16:44
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
Did James Hawes direct an episode of Sea Of Souls?
I don't know.

It would be good if somebody knows what the DW directors in this series have done before.

I wouldn't be surprised if Keith Boak has primarily directed many Children's TV dramas before.

And If anyone else says "Ah but Doctor Who is for kids anyway"...I don't care.
I only care if I like it, not if it might appeal to children or not.
I'm not going to stick with a show because it appeals to what somebody else might like.
How can you truly enjoy a programme if you watch it in that manner?
It has to appeal to me, not somebody else.

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Old 24-04-2005, 16:52
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Originally Posted by Alrightmate
I don't know.

It would be good if somebody knows what the DW directors in this series have done before.

I wouldn't be surprised if Keith Boak has primarily directed many Children's TV dramas before.

And If anyone else says "Ah but Doctor Who is for kids anyway"...I don't care.
I only care if I like it, not if it might appeal to children or not.
I'm not going to stick with a show because it appeals to what somebody else might like.
How can you truly enjoy a programme if you watch it in that manner?
It has to appeal to me, not somebody else.

Doctor Who is the best reinvention/comeback we could have wished for. Of course there are going to episodes which will appeal to more than some and vice versa. When I first heard of Billie being cast as Rose I groaned in despair but I have happily been proved wrong. She is amazing. I agree that as an individual it only matters what that person thought of it but my inquisitive side always wants to find out how others perceived it. That's why we have so many great debates on here even when we do disagree from time to time.
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Old 24-04-2005, 16:53
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Hi, this is my first post, please be gentle!
I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but just a thought, the lyrics to the Big Bad Wolf Song (written by Frank Churchill for Disney BTW) does go:

"Who's affraid of the Big Bad Wolf"

Now, I know he is "the Doctor" and not Dr Who, but even so it is a bit of a tenuous link, may be "Who is affraid of the Big Bad Wolf"

Sorry if this has been brought up before
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Old 24-04-2005, 16:56
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
Did James Hawes direct an episode of Sea Of Souls?
It would appear so.

See here.

And here's one for Keith Boak.
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Old 24-04-2005, 17:02
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
It would appear so.

See here.

And here's one for Keith Boak.
Just looked at my DVD sleeve for the two series and there isn't an episode called Seeing Double but I wonder if it was the story that had Siobhan Redmond playing twins as that was great.
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Old 24-04-2005, 17:04
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Originally Posted by TedMaul
Hi, this is my first post, please be gentle!
I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but just a thought, the lyrics to the Big Bad Wolf Song (written by Frank Churchill for Disney BTW) does go:

"Who's affraid of the Big Bad Wolf"

Now, I know he is "the Doctor" and not Dr Who, but even so it is a bit of a tenuous link, may be "Who is affraid of the Big Bad Wolf"

Sorry if this has been brought up before
Welcome to the forums!

Very interesting point...just who would the Doctor be afraid of I wonder?
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Old 24-04-2005, 17:06
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Originally Posted by TedMaul
Hi, this is my first post, please be gentle!
I'm sure this has been mentioned before, but just a thought, the lyrics to the Big Bad Wolf Song (written by Frank Churchill for Disney BTW) does go:

"Who's afraid of the Big Bad Wolf"

Now, I know he is "the Doctor" and not Dr Who, but even so it is a bit of a tenuous link, may be "Who is affraid of the Big Bad Wolf"

Sorry if this has been brought up before
Welcome to the forums Ted.

I know it's asking a bit much (since this thread is already quite long) but if you look in the earlier pages, somebody pointed out that this was the 'headline' from one of the spoof websites. If I can find which post it was, I'll drop you a link.

Edit: OK, try these....

http://www.whoisdrwho.com/

and here, post #797.
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Old 24-04-2005, 17:09
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Originally Posted by boring name
The people complaining are looking back on old Who through rose (pardon the pun) tinted spectacles....I suspect most are fans of Buffy, Angel etc.

I hate such US Sci-Fi shows because they take themselves FAR too seriously.

Doctor Who always was and (under RTD) always will be a little bit silly, not taking themselves too seriously, but full of suspense and excitement.

This series is delivering on all those levels and will undoubtedly be seen as the best incarnation of Doctor Who ever.

RTD could have done a "British Buffy" but look at the ratings- I would suggest that about 2 million of the 8 million who tune in actually want serious sci-fi, the rest want Saturday night family entertainment. There is a disproportionate number of those 2 million on these boards (discussions of Bad Wolf, nitpicking every little scene etc.), but these people must realise they are in the absolute minority of the audience.

RTD is pitching this series absolutely right- he's saved Doctor Who.


I'm not sure I agree with you (until your last sentence!).

I really like this series of Dr Who, and I'm a huge fan of Buffy, Angel, Star Trek and the old Doctor Who..... I think each series you've mentioned works in its own way, and a British Buffy wouldn't work any better than an American Dr Who would - they are both dependent upon a particular, country-specific, sense of humour. I don't think the US Shows take themselves too seriously, on the contrary there is usually a lot of deliberate humour there - in fact one of the reasons I liked Buffy was the humour.

I think they're all equally valid as sci-fi. As for 'nit-picking' every scene, I'd say that was half the fun - and I'd also reckon that RTD would be more than into codifying the text!

But, yes, I do think that this series has saved Dr Who. I think the scripts are witty and so far I have been thoroughly entertained by every episode!
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Old 24-04-2005, 17:16
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Keith Boak

Out Of The Blue - 1995
Holby City - 1999
Harbour Lights - 1999
The Royal - 2003
NY-LON - 2004
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Old 24-04-2005, 17:36
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
Just looked at my DVD sleeve for the two series and there isn't an episode called Seeing Double but I wonder if it was the story that had Siobhan Redmond playing twins as that was great.
Looks like it was - see here.
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Old 24-04-2005, 17:43
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Have you noticed virtually every episode has Ecclestone saying "You lot...", echoing his famous speech in RTD's second coming drama?
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Old 24-04-2005, 17:53
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Originally Posted by Black Guardian
The way Tony smiles he could easily be part of the Slitheen family.
Which must be a clever distraction.

Just seen this on b3ta:

http://martinh.netfirms.com/b3ta/prescott.jpg
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Old 24-04-2005, 17:57
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Originally Posted by *Duncan*
Which must be a clever distraction.

Just seen this on b3ta:

http://martinh.netfirms.com/b3ta/prescott.jpg


Scarily possible.
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Old 24-04-2005, 17:57
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Originally Posted by elena
I thought Penelope Wilton was very good as Harriet Jones. I'm still not really liking the character Rose's mum, but it may come with time.
I must be in the minority because I like Rose's mum. there appears to be getting more depth to the character.
Plus she reminds me of a girlfriends mother i knew- she tried to seduce me too!

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Old 24-04-2005, 17:58
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You've hit the nail on the head.....until the last few words.

The people complaining are looking back on old Who through rose (pardon the pun) tinted spectacles....I suspect most are fans of Buffy, Angel etc.

There is a disproportionate number of those 2 million on these boards (discussions of Bad Wolf, nitpicking every little scene etc.), but these people must realise they are in the absolute minority of the audience.

RTD is pitching this series absolutely right- he's saved Doctor Who.
Dear Mr Name, or can I just call you Boring?

A few POV of my own...

Yes, I am a long standing fan of Doctor Who, but have never given it the slavish praise that you hint at. In fact I dug out an old review to highlight my point that people have always complained about some aspect of the programme.

Yes I did enjoy Angel & BTVS. Joss Whedon (sp?) is a bit of an anglophile and wanted to mimic elements of British humour (hence Giles, Spike et al). Out of a total of 12 seasons between them I found one season that I could not get into (Buffy 6). One or two episodes that stank and a few that rose to the dizzying heights of pure drama/horror.

So does being a Buffy fan stop me from being a Doctor Who fan? Or was I A Doctor Who fan on the days I watched the crappy Buffy eps?

Sadly I am also one of your disproportionate number that has been following (and contributing) to the Bad Wolf Scenario. Although I do not agree with every theory (it would take a disturbed mind to do that, since many contradict my own pet theory), but I DO enjoy the debate.

Please do not assume that we are all brain dead.

We know it's just a TV programme when all is said & done.

But we also know that RTD is treating the longer term fans to a couple of mysteries that do not impinge on the main stories.

He is also giving intelligent newer fans to delve into a sub mystery.

And we are having the time of our lives!*

Why do you think the websites have been created?
Why are clues to the website being mentioned in the programme & vice-versa?
Could it possibly be that the programme's appeal stretches beyond your narrow interpretations?

(* = In Who terms, that is - I do have a life away from my PC )
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:09
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Originally Posted by Silvermist


Scarily possible.
Yes, just think about it.

What would a Slitheen do if you threw an egg at it?
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:23
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I think the "honeymoon period" for Dr Who, generated by the hype surrounding it's welcome return, has now faded and it now has to deliver, as I think people are now starting to be alot more critical. I think the first three episodes did, especially the 3rd, but the last two haven't been up to scratch.

I have mixed feelings about last nights show, I liked elements, some of the humour was good and gave me some laughs. But there was too many times I found myself saying "that's a bit stupid", probably at least 20. I know there's a tongue in cheek element to the show, and poking a little bit of fun at the sci-fi genre, but I'd like to see at least some plausability. The ideas behind the script were all a bit too silly and ill thought out. The UNIT website and the "buffalo" password (guess they've never heard of a dictionary attack ) launching missiles, UN having the codes, UN being convinced by evidence only supplied by the UK, virus CD-rom, you could go on and on and on.

Like most people have said, the CGI looked great, but it only made the men in the clumsy Mr Blobby suits look a world away, all the more silly in contrast - they might not have looked half as silly if it hadn't been for the CGI to show them up. The chases were also verging on Benny Hill.

For the first time I also found myself getting alittle bored of CE and his excitable, shouty style. It's all getting a bit samey and two dimensional. Shouldn't he be carm in the eye of the storm? Shouldn't he be the one being cool when everyone else is getting excited and panicky?

I found the show watchable, but Dr Who's rep is gonna go downhill and regular, non-whovian viewers are rapidly going to fall out of love with it, if the quality doesn't go up again. We've been spoiled with episode 3, which showed how good it can be, but we need to keep on being spoiled.

The trailer for the Daleks return looks good though. Fingers crossed eh?
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:28
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Originally Posted by *Duncan*
Yes, just think about it.

What would a Slitheen do if you threw an egg at it?
Depends if it's pickled or not, surely?
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:30
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Hi all, this is my first post here.

I note everybody seems to think there's no "Bad Wolf" reference this week (WW3). Well, there is one. Check out the "US News Report" (also linked from who is doctor who ). Note the onscreen name of the presenter, Mal Loup. Now, my French isn't very good, but isn't that "Bad Wolf" in English?

No idea how this affects the various theories though.
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:30
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Originally Posted by *Duncan*
Which must be a clever distraction.

Just seen this on b3ta:

http://martinh.netfirms.com/b3ta/prescott.jpg
Heh, exellent, I was begining to think I was the only one that saw the "new PM" as being a John Prescott pee take, last week, as I didn't see anyone else comment on it.
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:31
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Am I the only one who's getting bored stupid by the "bad wolf" thing?
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:32
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I reckon there's a deliberate attempt to vary the pitch of the episodes and make some of them overtly childish and some of them overtly grown-up.

That way every age group has something that's right at their level and no age group feels neglected.

Our turn is next.
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