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Old 24-04-2005, 18:35
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Originally Posted by MalLoup
Hi all, this is my first post here.

I note everybody seems to think there's no "Bad Wolf" reference this week (WW3). Well, there is one. Check out the "US News Report" (also linked from who is doctor who ). Note the onscreen name of the presenter, Mal Loup. Now, my French isn't very good, but isn't that "Bad Wolf" in English?

No idea how this affects the various theories though.
It's a word-for-word translation, but yes, that is spot on!

Was that also in the episode or is it just on that site?
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:37
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Originally Posted by MalLoup
Hi all, this is my first post here.

I note everybody seems to think there's no "Bad Wolf" reference this week (WW3). Well, there is one. Check out the "US News Report" (also linked from who is doctor who ). Note the onscreen name of the presenter, Mal Loup. Now, my French isn't very good, but isn't that "Bad Wolf" in English?

No idea how this affects the various theories though.
Absolutrly right Mal can be translated to bad (or even pain, pity, nasty or poor) AND Loup IS wolf.
Well done MalLoup...

Duncan beat me to it, but it was in the episode I remember the presenter BUT did not catch her name at the time.
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:38
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If bad wolf messages are being hidden in this way then it is pretty clear that the bad wolf is nothing more than an in joke by the producers/writers/directors etc
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:40
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Originally Posted by Ellie_R
Just a thought on the Rose link... on Have I Got News For You this week there was a DW question about people who had appeared on the show. It showed Peter Purvis (from Blue Peter) as William Hartnell's assistant, the character name Steven TYLER! Maybe this is a link, although I must admit a very small one....
I think this was a genuine error either on the part of the show's researchers or the presenter, Alexander Armstrong.

Incidentally, Paul Merton was VERY complimentary about this series, saying that he thought AOL was the best episode yet, and that the programme in general was a 'triumph'.

Given that the HIGNFY panellists usually waste no time in cutting people down to size, this was praise indeed!
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:41
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The French for Big Bad Wolf is Le Gros Méchant Loup, but that doesn't look much like an English name.
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Old 24-04-2005, 18:56
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Hi
I have just looekd again at the UNIT site especially at the secure login link opened with notepad to see the password
Pass1 = bison - we all knew that
Pass2 = Buffalo - this was revealed this week
but there is a third one listed
Pass3 = buffallo - this doesnt do anything (yet) but it is there

CJ
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Old 24-04-2005, 19:01
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I'd just like to add my thoughts on this episode and the arc storyline...

Not as good as the first three episodes, I thought that these two were much more aimed at a younger audience.

I thought Mickey's character came to life a bit more and I would like to see more of him in the future, however I do not think he will survive for long (he is beginning to know too much about this Doctor)!

I still do not believe CE is THE Doctor, I do not remember him being linked to death all the time (in previous encarnations), as Mickey alluded to again in this episode. Also Mickey is referring to the Doctor as implying "I'm the big bad wolf and it's way past your bedtime." on his web site.

Others that have known more about the CE character have all been mysteriously killed off
[list][*]Clive in the first Episode[*]The Nestene Consciousness in the first episode (it did mouth Bad Wolf when speaking to CE).[*]The Tree woman in Episode two, she had scanned him and CE let her burn[*]The Maid in Episode three, she had read CEs mind as she knew how many sugars he took.[/list]
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Old 24-04-2005, 19:13
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Originally Posted by DryHumper
I found the show watchable, but Dr Who's rep is gonna go downhill and regular, non-whovian viewers are rapidly going to fall out of love with it, if the quality doesn't go up again. We've been spoiled with episode 3, which showed how good it can be, but we need to keep on being spoiled.

The trailer for the Daleks return looks good though. Fingers crossed eh?
well I liked ep 4 & 5 but I can understand why some people aren't that keen. I think part of the problem was that the team was new (4 & 5 was filmed first with "Rose") and people aren't that keen on Keith Boack.

However, the future directors should provide some improved viewing (plus, the show is now entering a very dark faze!!)
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Old 24-04-2005, 19:21
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Originally Posted by aka_lucifer
Someone complained about all the contemporary commentary - it has always happened in Doctor Who: from Jo Grant banging on about the age of Aquarius to Ace's ghetto blaster.
That was me. I usually find that sort of stuff very, very tiresome. It's just a cheap attempt to look clever. It comes across as smug and self-congratulatory. :yawn:

Davies could at least try and be subtle with it, instead of being so glaringly obvious.
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Old 24-04-2005, 19:21
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Originally Posted by lisper
However, the future directors should provide some improved viewing (plus, the show is now entering a very dark faze!!)
Dark I like

Mainly I'd say the main problem with 4 & 5 was it was all just a bit too silly, didn't you find that? Probably the main reason everyone stopped watching it in the 80s.
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Old 24-04-2005, 19:21
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Originally Posted by aka_lucifer
Dear Mr Name, or can I just call you Boring?

A few POV of my own...

Yes, I am a long standing fan of Doctor Who, but have never given it the slavish praise that you hint at. In fact I dug out an old review to highlight my point that people have always complained about some aspect of the programme.

Yes I did enjoy Angel & BTVS. Joss Whedon (sp?) is a bit of an anglophile and wanted to mimic elements of British humour (hence Giles, Spike et al). Out of a total of 12 seasons between them I found one season that I could not get into (Buffy 6). One or two episodes that stank and a few that rose to the dizzying heights of pure drama/horror.

So does being a Buffy fan stop me from being a Doctor Who fan? Or was I A Doctor Who fan on the days I watched the crappy Buffy eps?

Sadly I am also one of your disproportionate number that has been following (and contributing) to the Bad Wolf Scenario. Although I do not agree with every theory (it would take a disturbed mind to do that, since many contradict my own pet theory), but I DO enjoy the debate.

Please do not assume that we are all brain dead.

We know it's just a TV programme when all is said & done.

But we also know that RTD is treating the longer term fans to a couple of mysteries that do not impinge on the main stories.

He is also giving intelligent newer fans to delve into a sub mystery.

And we are having the time of our lives!*

Why do you think the websites have been created?
Why are clues to the website being mentioned in the programme & vice-versa?
Could it possibly be that the programme's appeal stretches beyond your narrow interpretations?

(* = In Who terms, that is - I do have a life away from my PC )
Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Old 24-04-2005, 19:26
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Re: Mal Loup

That name doesn't appear on screen in the actual episode. At times we only hear her voice on the television as the camera points at the people watching it, and at others we only see bits of the screen.

So that reference is a web-only thing.
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Old 24-04-2005, 19:36
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Originally Posted by *Duncan*
Re: Mal Loup

That name doesn't appear on screen in the actual episode. At times we only hear her voice on the television as the camera points at the people watching it, and at others we only see bits of the screen.

So that reference is a web-only thing.
All adds to the mystery and fun and if at the end of the series we have been lead up the garden path then I will be the first to have a little chortle to myself....would have had 13 weeks of jolly good debate though too.
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Old 24-04-2005, 19:52
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On second viewing I've just noticed the change in the Doctor towards Mickey.

At the end the Doctor actually invites Mickey onboard the Tardis, but Mickey says he couldn't handle the life, but the Doctor isn't to tell Rose that.

So when a moment later Rose asks Mickey to join her the Doctor steps in and makes a big show of saying Mickey would be a liability - which is not what the Doctor now thinks. He says that in direct fulfilment of Mickey's request for the Doctor not to make him appear a wimp in front of Rose.

That exchange almost looks like some sort of bond forming between the Doctor and Mickey.
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Old 24-04-2005, 19:58
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Great episode this week, I am sure its getting better every week. Trailer for next week looks fantastic.

Just watching Dr Who Confidential on BBC3, I think Peter Davison is losing his marbles. He just said there was only a day between cliff hangers when he played the doctor, so you didn't have to wait long to know the out come. Can't understand why he said this, Dr Who was weekly in the 1980s.
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Old 24-04-2005, 20:00
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They "experimented" with the format in Peter Davison's time by putting it on twice a week on weekdays.
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Old 24-04-2005, 20:07
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Originally Posted by *Duncan*
On second viewing I've just noticed the change in the Doctor towards Mickey.

At the end the Doctor actually invites Mickey onboard the Tardis, but Mickey says he couldn't handle the life, but the Doctor isn't to tell Rose that.

So when a moment later Rose asks Mickey to join her the Doctor steps in and makes a big show of saying Mickey would be a liability - which is not what the Doctor now thinks. He says that in direct fulfilment of Mickey's request for the Doctor not to make him appear a wimp in front of Rose.

That exchange almost looks like some sort of bond forming between the Doctor and Mickey.

Do you think there is a bit of jealousy between the Doctor and Jackie? At the end of the episode when Rose invited him for tea The Doctor did put her on the spot and make her choose between them.

Perhaps it is because the Doctor has no family of his own or no home planet any more...
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Old 24-04-2005, 20:21
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Originally Posted by deaddog
If bad wolf messages are being hidden in this way then it is pretty clear that the bad wolf is nothing more than an in joke by the producers/writers/directors etc
I think there IS something about Bad Wolf.

But I also think there is a bit of leg pulling/garden path/red herring.

When the time is right, we will be shown what was real and what wasn't.

For example, on the Unit website there is mention of 13 soldiers lost on he Russian Steppes - a reference to Steppenwolf? (the book, not the band) (or does someone like the band, not the book???).

Confused? We will be!
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Old 24-04-2005, 20:44
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Mickey is now on the Internet. Mickey - Mouse geddit?!!!?!

Crazy name, crazy guy!?!!!

Byeeee??!!?!
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Old 24-04-2005, 20:50
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fab episode am moving sofa for next weeks episode to ensure enough space behind it
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Old 24-04-2005, 20:58
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Originally Posted by *Duncan*
Mickey is now on the Internet. Mickey - Mouse geddit?!!!?!

Crazy name, crazy guy!?!!!

Byeeee??!!?!
You been watching those e-sure ads?

(Michael Winner is seriously disturbing these days!)
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Old 24-04-2005, 21:08
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Originally Posted by DenWatts
You been watching those e-sure ads?

(Michael Winner is seriously disturbing these days!)
No. That is just my tribute to Private Eye's Glenda Slagg.

[You're fired: Ed]

http://www.private-eye.co.uk/content...129/section.39
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Old 24-04-2005, 21:14
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Originally Posted by crowby1
Great episode this week, I am sure its getting better every week. Trailer for next week looks fantastic.

Just watching Dr Who Confidential on BBC3, I think Peter Davison is losing his marbles. He just said there was only a day between cliff hangers when he played the doctor, so you didn't have to wait long to know the out come. Can't understand why he said this, Dr Who was weekly in the 1980s.

Davisons first season of the docor was broadcast on mondays and tuesdays ! ( chgeck out dr who guide at beeb )
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Old 24-04-2005, 21:23
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Originally Posted by Niggle
I'd just like to add my thoughts on this episode and the arc storyline...

Not as good as the first three episodes, I thought that these two were much more aimed at a younger audience.

I thought Mickey's character came to life a bit more and I would like to see more of him in the future, however I do not think he will survive for long (he is beginning to know too much about this Doctor)!

I still do not believe CE is THE Doctor, I do not remember him being linked to death all the time (in previous encarnations), as Mickey alluded to again in this episode. Also Mickey is referring to the Doctor as implying "I'm the big bad wolf and it's way past your bedtime." on his web site.

Others that have known more about the CE character have all been mysteriously killed off
[list][*]Clive in the first Episode[*]The Nestene Consciousness in the first episode (it did mouth Bad Wolf when speaking to CE).[*]The Tree woman in Episode two, she had scanned him and CE let her burn[*]The Maid in Episode three, she had read CEs mind as she knew how many sugars he took.[/list]
Aw I hope Mickey lasts in it a while actually, it's quite refreshing to have a character who isn't brave and does get frightened. I like him, I'd like to see him join the Doctor and Rose in their travels in series two...
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Old 24-04-2005, 22:08
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The Bad Wolf could be a big hoax, the other night on the RTD Unscripted documentary he said that on a show he wrote "breakfast serials" he would write a synopsis for the Radio Times and that it had nothing to do with the story. It was all a great game he was playing with himself.

Maybe this time he is playing the game with us.

Obviously there is something major (a nice shock) fot the TBA episode, but I am starting to think the bad wolf thing could be a bluff.
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