there was a post a few pages back saying it would be good if someone could list everything the directors of this series have done, so here it is (from IMDB):

Keith Boak

"Doctor Who" (2005) TV Series (episode "Aliens of London") (episode "Rose") (episode "World War Three")
"Holby City" (1999) TV Series (2004) (episode "The Buck Stops Here")
... aka Holby (UK: informal short title)
"NY-LON" (2004) TV Series (episodes 1, 4 and 5 2004)
"The Royal" (2003) TV Series (episode 1.04 "Sister of Mercy") (episode 1.05 "Immediate Care") (episode 2.01 "All at Sea")
"Mersey Beat" (2001) TV Series (episode "All the Aces") (episode 1.10 "What Goes Around")
"The Knock" (1994) TV Series (2000)
"Harbour Lights" (1999) TV Series (episode "For Those in Peril")
"Sunburn" (1999/II) TV Series
"City Central" (1998) TV Series
"Wokenwell" (1997) TV Series
"Out of the Blue" (1995) TV Series


Joe Ahearne

"Doctor Who" (2005) TV Series (episode "Boom Town") (episode "Dalek") (episode "Father's Day") (episode "The Parting of the Ways") (episode 12)
Space Odyssey: Voyage to the Planets (2004) (TV)
"Strange" (2003) TV Series (episode "Dubuykk") (episode "Kaa-Jinn") (episode "Zoxim")
Strange (2002/I) (TV)
Trance (2001) (TV)
"Ultraviolet" (1998) (mini) TV Series
"This Life" (1996) TV Series


Brian Grant

"Doctor Who" (2005) TV Series (episode "The Long Game")
"Hex" (2004) TV Series
Gladiatress (2004)
"Love Bytes" (2004) TV Series
"As If" (2002) TV Series
"As If" (2001/I) TV Series
"Queen of Swords" (2000) TV Series (episode "End of Days") (episode "Honor Thy Father")
... aka Reina de espadas (Spain)
... aka Tessa, à la pointe de l'épée (France)
"Clocking Off" (2000) TV Series
The Cyberstalking (1999) (TV)
"Lucy Sullivan Is Getting Married" (1999) TV Series
"Highlander: The Raven" (1998) TV Series (episode "The Manipulator") (episode "War & Peace")
... aka Immortelle, L' (France)
Bloodlines: Legacy of a Lord (1997)
"Second Noah" (1996) TV Series
"Bugs" (1995) TV Series (episode "Sacrifice to Science")
Sensation (1995)
The Immortals (1995)
Day of Reckoning (1994/I) (TV)
Complex of Fear (1993) (TV)
"Red Shoe Diaries" (1992) TV Series (episode "The Cake")
"Mann & Machine" (1992) TV Series
Love Kills (1991) (TV)
Sweet Poison (1991/I) (TV)
"She-Wolf of London" (1990) TV Series (5 episodes)


Euros Lyn

"Doctor Who" (2005) TV Series (episode "The End of the World") (episode "The Unquiet Dead")
"Jane Hall's Big Bad Bus Ride" (2005) TV Series
"Cutting It" (2002) TV Series (2004-)
"Belonging III" (2002) TV Series (episodes 1-5)
"Pam Fi Duw?" (1997) TV Series
Sunday Stories (1997)
"Casualty" (1986) TV Series


James Hawes

"Doctor Who" (2005) TV Series (episode "Doctor Dances, The) (episode "The Empty Child")
A Line in the Sand (2004) (TV)
"Sea of Souls" (2004) TV Series (episode "Seeing Double")
Lawrence of Arabia: The Battle for the Arab World (2003) (TV)
"Empires: Egypt's Golden Empire" (2002) (mini) TV Series
"Without Motive" (2000) TV Series (episodes 4-6)
"Always and Everyone" (1999) TV Series
... aka A&E (UK)
... aka St Saviours (UK)
"Holby City" (1999) TV Series (episode "Never Judge a Book") (episode "Staying Alive, part 1")
... aka Holby (UK: informal short title)
"The Mrs. Bradley Mysteries" (1999) TV Series (episode "Death at the Opera") (episode "The Worsted Viper")
Haunted History: The Myrtles Plantation (1998)
"Staying Alive" (1996) TV Series (series one)
The Earth in Balance (1990) (TV)
"The Bill" (1984) TV Series (8 episodes)

More on the ratings:

Dr Who actually peaked at 7.9 million viewers - the average for the programme being the 7.3m published.

Celebrity Wrestling actually peaked at 4.3m, but 600,000 people switched over to BBC1 during the programme. Not the start that ITV wanted. They'll be dragging AntAndDec back from their holidays before you know it.

I don't agree that his acting was poor, but never mind. I was talking about the character, not the actor.


She abandoned him without a thought. And she did it again in this week's episode. That's a reflection on her, not on him. She also abandoned her own mother.


Sure. But you made a specific criticism - that he was a wimp - and I was curious as to why you thought that. Is it something you got from the text, or is it a random insult you made up because you don't like him?


I'm not doing that. I'm curious as to why you think what you think. I hope I'm allowed to put forward a countervailing view, drawn from the text.

Just to let you know that a lot of the scenes were filmed at Cardiff Uni. I saw the wee fat woman slyvene outside in her trailer so they must have used the glamorgan building for the committee rooms....

Also, Mickey does come back. There is a scene when eccleston ,piper , mickey and some american guy run up a set of stairs. Interestingly, me and my mate were just to the left of the scene having a fag at the time!!

Sorry to say this but the Docotor has not seen the last of the Slitheen......!! Expect more wobbly head, Mr Blobby action in episodes 10 and 11 which uses Glamorgan Building as 'City Hall' where the Doctor has "targeted the last surviving member of the Slitheen family; a criminal sect mascarading as human beings". I was watching them film it from behind one of the monitors when the Doctor said this as he, Rose, Mickey and (I think) Captain Jack Harkness entered the building and creeped up the foyer stairs. In another scene the Doctor is heard to say that the bulding is 'teeming with them' and that Rose was trapped inside.

The last surviving member was Margret Blaine (Annette Badland) and I spent an enjoyable lunchtime watching her climb up and down a ladder and race across a carpark behind the Glamorgan building over and over again. Except it wasn't her climbing down the ladder - but her stunt double who is a lot slimmer than Annette!!! It will be interesting to see if this fat-now thin-now fat again weight change will show up on the actual programme!!

How odd considering Annette Badland is not mentioned in the cast list for ep 10, which incidently is set in the the past. Ep 11 is set in present day Cardiff. Doesn't sound quite right to me.
Last edited by Black Guardian : 25-04-2005 at 15:31

So the Slitheen are returning eh?

Aaaargh - you can't just leave it like that!

Will believe it when I see it. Think there is more chance of the pig in a spacesuit returning than the Slitheen...hold on...what was that...? Ah! Its ok! Just another pig flying past the window!

Have you noticed that in the past few weeks the number of people viewing the posts has stayed quite high but not as many are joining in the debate. Could it be the last two episodes have not stirred people up in the same way the first three did...?

I think its at the end of episode 10 when they go from the Blitz to present day Cardiff, and all episode 11. Annette Badland was also spotted being filmed in a restaurant in Cardiff Bay with the Doctor, where the windows blew in (hopefully not caused by more farting). Also, she wouldn't be in the cast list as that would be a big spolier I guess.

Perhaps Annette was there doing pick ups for eps 4-5...

No disrespect but not buying it at the moment but if you are right I will be the first to come back on the forums and eat my words.

Given the reaction to the last two episodes I think a lot of people were glad to see the back of the Slitheen. Bring back the augmented pig is what I say...

I'll post it in an hour or so when I get home so I can quote it word for word (in a spoiler format, natch )

Well, if the Slitheen do return, at least they won't be directed by Keith Boak, so they might be more watchable. They sort of remind me of the Chelonians, from the books. Now they were good - very ruthless and very hard to kill.

I agree with you - there was a lot less to glean in terms of story arc or conspiracies from the last two episodes. It may just be though that RTD is teasing us - revealing enough in the first few episodes that we would catch on (he knows we will dissect the episodes to the n-th degree) and then apart from the bad wold spray-paint, we get nothing. I expect another morsel will appear next Saturday.

I think the quality of the past couple of episodes is reflected in the amount of posting we get. This week's episode was 'slightly' better than last, in my opinion (take that as you will). But episodes four and five were not a patch on the earlier episodes, (episode three being my personal favourite.) The postings for episode three reached over a thousand, that was 40-odd pages.

Although the past couple of episodes were a little less scintillating (and didn't cause a 'glitterclysm' in my house as RTD might put it ) I did think there were some nice touches in the script, and some witty moments too - (just why the flatulence gag had to be used so much is beyond me, even though I know it had it's place) but I'll still watch, because the Doctor will always have a special place in my heart.

Just keep Keith Boak behind the cameras on Holby/Sunburn etc, but please no more of him directing Doctor Who

I had hoped to be able to watch the two-parter 'back-to-back' as it were, and see if they worked better in one viewing, but so far I have not had the time.

Could be the Dalek a lone survivor from the Time War? The Doctor says something like it has fallen through time...so either he is referring to events after Remembrance or something else....

I am still of the belief that all these references are leading somewhere. There have been too many to simply disregard but as you say RTD might well be having a slight chortle at our expense and if so, well none of us have lost anything, spare a few blushes and we still would've had our lengthy chats over the past 13 weeks, which to me has been great fun.

Present day is 2005. AOL was set in 2006 so she might be in it.

That was the rumour that I heard. I posted it as a spoiler in last weeks thread.

*edit* Actually, I think it may have been in 'The Unquiet dead' thread.

If she is in it as I said I will be the first to return to the forums to eat my words or the augmented pig! Apologies to vegetarians I assure you that no pig will be harmed during or after the posting of my message after eps 10 and 11.

So you did..thanks for reminding me. An oversight on my part. Apologies Afcbfan! I have been too busy chasing augmented pigs and hoping that the Slitheen were all part of a horrible dream but alas not. Onwards and upwards...hopefully the Dalek story will redeem the heavy handed last two.

Perhaps we will hear/discover more about the Time War in the next one...

One other 'Slitheen joke' that doesn't seem to have been noticed (although these threads are getting too long to read them all to make sure...).

I thought it was quite funny that, as well as being the traditional DW 'men-in-rubber-suits', the Slitheen were 'aliens in rubber suits'. (well, perhaps not that funny - but funnier than the farting!).

K

It looks initially like it could be a remnant from the timewar - from the clips I've seen, it looks like a 'classic' dalek - with a few twists (sic).

With regards to 'bad wolf' I think you're right - there have been too many to ignore. I think alrightmate said we were getting too many clues over recent weeks - maybe that's what's happening - they're being rationed, that's why there has been little to glean in the past two episodes. Logic would dictate they're leading somewhere... (but I still can't forget the books, where the references were used as a red herring).

I'm happy to speculate on the bad wolf theory - I don't think the BBC would go setting up websites all over the place without a reason - and the discussion is, of course wonderful, and all adds to the excitement.

On reflection, I really wish that pig had been a giant Clanger instead. That would have had all the oldies watching kill themselves laughing.


...or perhaps a Womble.

1. As for "slavish praise"- I didn't like Episode 4 and voted "poor" on the poll. Episode 5 was much better- I voted "very good"....hardly "slavish praise".

2. I NEVER said that being a fan of Buffy excluded you from liking Doctor Who- in fact I reckon almost all Buffy fans would be tuning in....but remember that Buffy only achieved audiences of 2 million in its prime. So the extra 5-6 million tuning into Doctor Who clearly see something they LIKE in Who, which they couldn't find in Buffy.

3. By all means nit-pick every word said- I repeat for the second time I'm not suggesting that you shouldn't be allowed to. But please remember when making statements referring to the WHOLE audience- most people are not looking for centre-line sci-fi...that only attracts the 2 million or so who watched Buffy, Star Trek etc. etc.

An example- Alrightmate (who has viciously attacked me a few pages ago) stated:


Now that Alrightmate is "patronising drivel" (and proven so by the figures).

All I'm saying to both of you is that when you have these 'nit-pick' discussions, don't assume that the majority of the audience is looking into the show with such a magnifying glass. Therefore don't assume that the success of the show depends on the 'cleverness' with which these themes (e.g. Bad Wolf) are excecuted (or ignored) in the future episodes.

I'll say it again....RTD realises this and has embedded Doctor Who in the key elements of excitement, suspense, ridiculousness (hence why I cringe at people trying to pick "realism" flaws in a show about an alien chasing down alien lifeforms in Downing Street), poignancy, pace and fear. That's how Doctor Who has always been- it's NOT sci-fi in the US-TV sense, and that's why it gets 4 times the audience of those shows.

Now please continue your discussion in freedom.

Calm down guys - it's a forum!

In response to people 'nit-picking', all I (and I suspect others) want is internal self-consistency. Once a principle is established (like being able to hear "sound" in space battles), whether it's scientifically right , I would claim, is less important than it being used in the same way throughout. The difference between the CGI Slitheen and the rubber-suited ones just started to 'kill' the suspension of disbelief that all such shows need. Had they made the CGI ones wobble and stagger uncertainly, that might have been better.

Anyway, for the record, I voted "excellent" for ep1-3 and merely "very good" for ep 4/5. My kids have enjoyed all of them (which is surely the more important stat!).

K

Right, here we go. This is from yesterday's 'Night and Day' magazine from The Mail On Sunday. In the 'must see TV' section for next Saturday they say...

Considering the demographic, I don't think RTD is doing a bad job. I have thoroughly enjoyed the series so far, and that comes from someone whos favourite Doc was Hartnell. (Look - they are on video!!..)

However, there are some riders.. I'm not too keen on the silly jokes. I can't forgive the burping whellybin. Or how Rose didn't notice Mickey's shiny head in the restaurant. Or the zip on the head. Or... Well lets just say that you can over do the silly! My idea of good Doctor Who, and sci fi in general, is that it should be believable. I would love to know what kids think. Are there any school kids out there who would like a say?

It's great to see the Doctor is back though. I'm just sad that my kids have grow up whilst he has been gone!